Re: Bet the Business

2004-01-07 Thread ian . orourke
Quoting Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 One thing to remember is that every stored procedure you execute steals
 resources that would otherwise go to handling queries, so you do not
 necesscarily see a performance boost by using stored procedures for
 everything, in fact a MySQL server handling a lot of stored procedures could
 very well show poorer performance than a proper n-tier application.
 

People have said this a few times, and I'm showing my ignorance level here - but
a lot of the n-tier documentation I've seen (allbeit MS and probably dubious)
has the data tier as an SQL Server full of stored procedures which is called
from a business logic tier.

Now, if I don't have stored procedures I'm basically making the same SQL calls
(or different ones, but still SQL calls) from queries formed in my business
layer - so I'm unsure how removing stored procedures helps as your still hitting
the database.

I'm new so I am probably missing something, I'm just interested in the details
of how removing stored procedures might cause performance increase? Is it
because you've moved logic, rather than data access, away from the stored
procedure?

I must admit, in my limited capacity, most of my simple apps so far have involve
basic selects, inserts, updates, etc.




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Re: Bet the Business

2004-01-06 Thread ian . orourke
Quoting robert_rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 I'm lead developer for a company that writes custom software for the mining
 industry. We support MSSQL and MySQL. I've found that from a programming
 aspect (VB + ADO) there is relatively little difference between MSSQL and
 MySQL. There is some sight syntax differences and MySQL versions  5.0 do not
 support stored procedures. We use the InnoDB table type for MySQL as it
 provides row level locking and transactions. Our largest client has about 1
 gig of data and averages 125 users. I've found that MySQL usua
 lly out performs MSSQL if you tune it properly and use good programming
 techniques. It is less integrated with Microsoft products though so if your
 clients will be accessing the data via MS Office applications then MSSQL will
 seem easier. We offer both platforms mainly because a lot of IT managers are
 convinced that Microsoft solutions are the best even when benchmarks say
 different.
 

I admit to dome degree I am one of the IT Managers - the it 'sounds to good to
be true' syndrome I suppose. But I'm coming around. The decision will be for
MSSQL Server due to us using other MS products and the supporting of one
product, but I'm interested for future reference when it does become an option
(probably other jobs).

As an aside, stored procedures seem to be a big thing with some people, namely
the MS people I encounter (the ASP.NET mantra of using stored procedures for all
databases access and even processing tasks), yet people seem to get along with
them fine, until recently, in MySQL.

This makes me thing they may not be the holy grail people say they are...in
MySQL, until recently, all SQL must have been done at the code level rather than
at the database server level - is that a major issue? Does it even provide some
advantages?


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