RE: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
[snip] It is worth it for performance reasons ! [/snip] Really? What performance stats are you looking at here? [snip] And if you believe ASP.NET only provides a few benefits, then you are adequately informed, my friend [/snip] Yes, he is adequately informed...and correct. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
FOAD Quoting Freddie Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tony, Check out ASP.NET and you will want to forget everything about PHP ;-) Freddie -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mail.pmpa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2004 03:27 An: mysql@lists.mysql.com Betreff: RE: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Don't mean to start a discussion whatsoever, I love php, but one thing i can't do in php is Response.Redirect(page.asp) . Apart from that no complains so far :) * Happy New Year * Pedro Almeida. -Mensagem original- De: Tony Di Croce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am fairly new to PHP, but I am loving it... I have recently gotten involved in a business venture and I have been using PHP so far... Recently I have taken on a partner, and he is a big ASP guy... I am not totally against ASP, but it would have to be pretty good to get me to switch at this point (PHP seems to do everything I need)... But I will need to convince him of this... What points can I bring up in PHP's favor? In what areas does PHP trounce ASP? -- td -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] R. Whitney Transcend Development Producing the next phase of your internet presence http://xend.net Premium Quality Web Hosting http://hosting.xend.net rw AT xend.net Net Binder http://netbinder.net 310-943-6498 602-288-5340 -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
Have you actually LOOKED at the code (global.asp, *.asp, *.aspx, etc... ) that VS produces to make an ASP.NET application? Have you EVER had to be in the position to debug and modify that by hand (without the aid of VS)? I have. I ask that you try it before you continue your high praise for the product. I fully believe that M$ is so full of themselves for offering this as anything approaching efficient. It's designed in such a way that once you convert, you will have a very hard time getting away from it because it is SO convoluted in its execution. I feel that it's meant more to trap you into staying with their product than making life easier. I have tried (or assisted others) on more than one occasion to get ASP.NET functioning for full development support (server-side debugging, full VS integration, yadda yadda yadda) and have YET to see anyone get it right the first time. Usually we have to rip out and reinstall or update and upgrade which required us to compare and contrast several different explanations from MSDN about what may be wrong and how to fix it. Eventually, we made it work but it was never easy. IF you like it, fine. You may use it. I however recommend against it. Stick with PHP, ASP, PERL, or Python (whichever you prefer) but I personally don't think that ASP.NET is worth the effort for the few benefits it provides. Shawn Green Database Administrator Unimin Corporation - Spruce Pine Freddie Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/31/2004 04:01:14 AM: Tony, Check out ASP.NET and you will want to forget everything about PHP ;-) Freddie -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mail.pmpa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2004 03:27 An: mysql@lists.mysql.com Betreff: RE: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Don't mean to start a discussion whatsoever, I love php, but one thing i can't do in php is Response.Redirect(page.asp) . Apart from that no complains so far :) * Happy New Year * Pedro Almeida. -Mensagem original- De: Tony Di Croce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am fairly new to PHP, but I am loving it... I have recently gotten involved in a business venture and I have been using PHP so far... Recently I have taken on a partner, and he is a big ASP guy... I am not totally against ASP, but it would have to be pretty good to get me to switch at this point (PHP seems to do everything I need)... But I will need to convince him of this... What points can I bring up in PHP's favor? In what areas does PHP trounce ASP? -- td -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
QUOTE And if you believe ASP.NET only provides a few benefits, then you are adequately informed, my friend Freddie /QUOTE I agree completely! Max Michaels Systems Engineer Right Media LLC -Original Message- From: Freddie Sorensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'mail.pmpa'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: AW: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Shawn, It is worth it for performance reasons ! And yes, I am LOOKING at the code and DEBUGGING it every single day, also without the use of VS, what's the problem ? And it is global.asax, not global.asp I and my colleagues have never had a project which we didn't get right the first time, I mean in terms of having to reinstall anything, it was always very easy And if you believe ASP.NET only provides a few benefits, then you are adequately informed, my friend Freddie _ Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2004 15:26 An: Freddie Sorensen Cc: 'mail.pmpa'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Betreff: Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Have you actually LOOKED at the code (global.asp, *.asp, *.aspx, etc... ) that VS produces to make an ASP.NET application? Have you EVER had to be in the position to debug and modify that by hand (without the aid of VS)? I have. I ask that you try it before you continue your high praise for the product. I fully believe that M$ is so full of themselves for offering this as anything approaching efficient. It's designed in such a way that once you convert, you will have a very hard time getting away from it because it is SO convoluted in its execution. I feel that it's meant more to trap you into staying with their product than making life easier. I have tried (or assisted others) on more than one occasion to get ASP.NET functioning for full development support (server-side debugging, full VS integration, yadda yadda yadda) and have YET to see anyone get it right the first time. Usually we have to rip out and reinstall or update and upgrade which required us to compare and contrast several different explanations from MSDN about what may be wrong and how to fix it. Eventually, we made it work but it was never easy. IF you like it, fine. You may use it. I however recommend against it. Stick with PHP, ASP, PERL, or Python (whichever you prefer) but I personally don't think that ASP.NET is worth the effort for the few benefits it provides. Shawn Green Database Administrator Unimin Corporation - Spruce Pine Freddie Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/31/2004 04:01:14 AM: Tony, Check out ASP.NET and you will want to forget everything about PHP ;-) Freddie -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mail.pmpa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2004 03:27 An: mysql@lists.mysql.com Betreff: RE: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Don't mean to start a discussion whatsoever, I love php, but one thing i can't do in php is Response.Redirect(page.asp) . Apart from that no complains so far :) * Happy New Year * Pedro Almeida. -Mensagem original- De: Tony Di Croce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am fairly new to PHP, but I am loving it... I have recently gotten involved in a business venture and I have been using PHP so far... Recently I have taken on a partner, and he is a big ASP guy... I am not totally against ASP, but it would have to be pretty good to get me to switch at this point (PHP seems to do everything I need)... But I will need to convince him of this... What points can I bring up in PHP's favor? In what areas does PHP trounce ASP? -- td -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: mail.pmpa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2004 03:27 An: mysql@lists.mysql.com Betreff: RE: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people... Don't mean to start a discussion whatsoever, I love php, but one thing i can't do in php is Response.Redirect(page.asp) . Apart from that no complains so far :) * Happy New Year * Pedro Almeida. I'm just a beginner-intermediate at PHP and have no experience with ASP, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. However, isn't it usually more expensive AND more risky to work in a Microsoft environment? Sure, Microsoft fans will tell that one technology or another is free...but I think there are usually hidden price tags, somewhere along the line. After all, Microsoft is in business to make (or steal) money, right? I just think people are better off if they stay as far away from Microsoft as possible, using clean technology ahead. Apache/Linux servers are the standard, and the Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird software are showing up Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. I believe PHP and MySQL are the standards in their field, are they not? Why get mixed up with Microsoft when you have to constantly look over your shoulder for a hidden price tag, a computer virus, security risk or some new technology devised by Bill Gates to steal your ideas or hard work? __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
Don't mean to start a discussion whatsoever, I
love php, but
one thing i can't do in php is
Response.Redirect(page.asp) .
Apart from that no complains so far :)
Um, as I understand it this is simple to do in php. Just use:
header(Location: $somestring);
Here's the ASP code I found when I looked up what response.redirect does:
%
u_location=request.form(u_location)
if u_location then
response.redirect (u_location)
end if
%
form method=post action=redirect_varible.asp
select size=1 name=u_location
option value=http://www.goto.com;GoTo.com/option
option value=http://www.priceline.com;Priceline.com/option
option value=http://www.alladvantage.com;AllAdvantage.com/option
/select
input type=submit value=Submit
/form
Here's how I'd code the same thing is php:
?php
if isdefined($_POST[u_location]
{
$newpage = $_POST[u_location];
header(Location: $newpage);
}
form method=post action=redirect_varible.php
select size=1 name=u_location
option value=http://www.goto.com;GoTo.com/option
option value=http://www.priceline.com;Priceline.com/option
option value=http://www.alladvantage.com;AllAdvantage.com/option
/select
input type=submit value=Submit
/form
As I understand it, all response.redirect does is tell the browser to go
to another page. That's all the header function does too. I use this
all the time if people aren't authenticate to push them to the login
page or if they aren't using https to connect, to push them to the https
url.
Am I missing something here?
The only snage with the header function is that you must not print or
echo anything to the browser before you use it. In other words you
can't do this:
html
body
pI moved you to another page./p
?php header(Location: http://someotherpage.com;); ?
/body
/html
Whoops. Just realized that this was coming through the mysql lists, so
it's OT. Original poster can e-mail me off list with questions.
Bob
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Re: AW: [PHP] How to argue with ASP people...
snip On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 05:17:27PM -0600, Bob Ramsey wrote: The only snage with the header function is that you must not print or echo anything to the browser before you use it. In other words you can't do this: html body pI moved you to another page./p ?php header(Location: http://someotherpage.com;); ? /body /html If you have output buffering turned on in your php.ini you can do it IMHO. -- -- Katoob Main Developer, Arabbix Maintainer. GNU/Linux registered user #224950 Proud Egyptian GNU/Linux User Group www.eglug.org Admin. Life powered by Debian, Homepage: www.foolab.org -- Don't send me any attachment in Micro$oft (.DOC, .PPT) format please Read http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Preferable attachments: .PDF, .HTML, .TXT Thanx for adding this text to Your signature signature.asc Description: Digital signature
