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>-Original Message- >From: Olaf Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:13 PM >To: Peter (MySQL List); MySql >Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Sun and mysql - Email found in subject > >You have a point. >But, facebook makes NO money at this time, has about 400 employees >and >Microsoft estimates its values at 15 billion dollars. I simply >think this is >nuts. Maybe I am too old with 30, but I have never even been to >facebook. > >It will be interesting to see if facebook, youtube and alike >websites will >ever generate enough earnings to cover the costs they were bought >for. With a perfect business plan I bet it will. >Just because 50 million people know a website, it does not mean it >makes >money automatically. Yes, I agree but once this 50 million visits the website and it would be a different story. > >Olaf > > >On 1/17/08 11:37 AM, "Peter (MySQL List)" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:07:19 -0500 >> Olaf Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 >billion and >>> MySQL AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does >Google >>> just have way to much many to spend/waste? >>> >> >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:36 -0600 >> "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Or that Facebook is 'worth' multiple billions when they do not >really >>> have a way to make money yet. >>> >> >> Uh, you both have to be kidding comparing MySQL with Youtube and >> Facebook, right? >> I'm not saying the $1 billion for MySQL was the right price, I >believe >> it was a bargain for Sun but you are comparing apples and >> oranges. >> >> Go out on the street and ask people if they ever heard of these >three. >> I bet you a few people will know MySQL, a lot will know Facebook >and >> everybody will know Youtube. >> >> Youtube and Facebook are websites, visited by millions of people >every >> day. That's what makes it it's value, future and present >> advertisements. >> >> YouTube was even used by CNN for the Republican and Democratic >debates. >> >> Did you ever hear of MySQL on TV, anywhere? >> > >- Confidentiality Notice: >The following mail message, including any attachments, is for the >sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential >and privileged information. The recipient is responsible to >maintain the confidentiality of this information and to use the >information only for authorized purposes. If you are not the >intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the >intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any review, use, >disclosure, distribution, copying, printing, or action taken in >reliance on the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original >message. Thank you. > >-- >MySQL General Mailing List >For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql >To unsubscribe: >http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain sensitive and private proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. FXDirectDealer, LLC reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them. Unless otherwis
Re: Sun and mysql - sorry
I guess Ford is not a GM brand. Just substitute Ford with a GM brand On 1/17/08 12:23 PM, "Olaf Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand the marketing and hype thing. > I still have a hard time believing that the net worth is actually that high. > I guess we will see in 10 years or so... > > Maybe facebook should by GM, Ford can use some of that hype > > > On 1/17/08 12:19 PM, "Mark Leith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Olaf Stein wrote: >>> I am not judging this move by mysql, as long as it stays open source, this >>> is probably good for the product itself. >>> >>> I just think it is weird that a pure entertainment website (admittedly with >>> lots of users) is estimated at so much more than a software company. >>> >> >> Two words: >> >> Marketing Potential. >> >> :) - Confidentiality Notice: The following mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. The recipient is responsible to maintain the confidentiality of this information and to use the information only for authorized purposes. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, distribution, copying, printing, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Olaf Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It will be interesting to see if facebook, youtube and alike websites will > ever generate enough earnings to cover the costs they were bought for. > Just because 50 million people know a website, it does not mean it makes > money automatically. The Google model shows that if you can get huge numbers of people to visit your web site(s) *repeatedly*, and target advertising well, you can make gigantic gobs of money. Facebook in particular clearly has the first part down: they've got millions of members who visit the site several times a day every day (and millions more who visit several times a week). I think some of their ways of targeting ads may work out, and their potential for revenue is far more than MySQL's. YouTube... got folded into the existing Google. Google's just trying to make sure every single one of us visits their sites multiple times every single time we get online :) > nuts. Maybe I am too old with 30, but I have never even been to facebook. I think that puts you near the current median age on Facebook. The net moves fast! Facebook as a site mainly for 20-somethings is so 2006 :) -- Cos -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
I understand the marketing and hype thing. I still have a hard time believing that the net worth is actually that high. I guess we will see in 10 years or so... Maybe facebook should by GM, Ford can use some of that hype On 1/17/08 12:19 PM, "Mark Leith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olaf Stein wrote: >> I am not judging this move by mysql, as long as it stays open source, this >> is probably good for the product itself. >> >> I just think it is weird that a pure entertainment website (admittedly with >> lots of users) is estimated at so much more than a software company. >> > > Two words: > > Marketing Potential. > > :) - Confidentiality Notice: The following mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. The recipient is responsible to maintain the confidentiality of this information and to use the information only for authorized purposes. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, distribution, copying, printing, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
Olaf Stein wrote: I am not judging this move by mysql, as long as it stays open source, this is probably good for the product itself. I just think it is weird that a pure entertainment website (admittedly with lots of users) is estimated at so much more than a software company. Two words: Marketing Potential. :) -- Mark Leith, Manager of Support, Americas MySQL AB, www.mysql.com Are you MySQL certified? www.mysql.com/certification -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
> I am not judging this move by mysql, as long as it stays open source, this > is probably good for the product itself. > > I just think it is weird that a pure entertainment website (admittedly with > lots of users) is estimated at so much more than a software company. Much bigger market :-) Ability to "hype" something? Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - tool for InterBase, Firebird, MySQL, NexusDB, Oracle & MS SQL Server Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com My thoughts: http://blog.upscene.com/martijn/ Database development questions? Check the forum! http://www.databasedevelopmentforum.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
I am not judging this move by mysql, as long as it stays open source, this is probably good for the product itself. I just think it is weird that a pure entertainment website (admittedly with lots of users) is estimated at so much more than a software company. Olaf On 1/17/08 12:10 PM, "Barry Newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olaf Stein wrote: >> I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and MySQL >> AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google just have way >> to much many to spend/waste? >> >> Greetings from the just wondering... >> Olaf > MySQL A.B., so far as I know, derives income from training, pubs sales, > and enterprise support, with expense for salaries, space leases (at > least some staff work from home), and equipment. The value of such an > organization is inevitably based on somebody's best guess about future > revenues. I'm encouraged about the prospects of MySQL when I remember > that Sun is a major sponsor of open source application software. - Confidentiality Notice: The following mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. The recipient is responsible to maintain the confidentiality of this information and to use the information only for authorized purposes. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, distribution, copying, printing, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
> Olaf Stein wrote: > > I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and MySQL > > AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google just have way > > to much many to spend/waste? > > > > Greetings from the just wondering... > > Olaf > MySQL A.B., so far as I know, derives income from training, pubs sales, > and enterprise support, with expense for salaries, space leases (at > least some staff work from home), and equipment. The value of such an Don't forget "licensing MySQL". > organization is inevitably based on somebody's best guess about future > revenues. I'm encouraged about the prospects of MySQL when I remember > that Sun is a major sponsor of open source application software. Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - tool for InterBase, Firebird, MySQL, NexusDB, Oracle & MS SQL Server Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com My thoughts: http://blog.upscene.com/martijn/ Database development questions? Check the forum! http://www.databasedevelopmentforum.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
You have a point. But, facebook makes NO money at this time, has about 400 employees and Microsoft estimates its values at 15 billion dollars. I simply think this is nuts. Maybe I am too old with 30, but I have never even been to facebook. It will be interesting to see if facebook, youtube and alike websites will ever generate enough earnings to cover the costs they were bought for. Just because 50 million people know a website, it does not mean it makes money automatically. Olaf On 1/17/08 11:37 AM, "Peter (MySQL List)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:07:19 -0500 > Olaf Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and >> MySQL AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google >> just have way to much many to spend/waste? >> > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:36 -0600 > "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Or that Facebook is 'worth' multiple billions when they do not really >> have a way to make money yet. >> > > Uh, you both have to be kidding comparing MySQL with Youtube and > Facebook, right? > I'm not saying the $1 billion for MySQL was the right price, I believe > it was a bargain for Sun but you are comparing apples and > oranges. > > Go out on the street and ask people if they ever heard of these three. > I bet you a few people will know MySQL, a lot will know Facebook and > everybody will know Youtube. > > Youtube and Facebook are websites, visited by millions of people every > day. That's what makes it it's value, future and present > advertisements. > > YouTube was even used by CNN for the Republican and Democratic debates. > > Did you ever hear of MySQL on TV, anywhere? > - Confidentiality Notice: The following mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. The recipient is responsible to maintain the confidentiality of this information and to use the information only for authorized purposes. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), you are hereby notified that any review, use, disclosure, distribution, copying, printing, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
Olaf Stein wrote: I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and MySQL AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google just have way to much many to spend/waste? Greetings from the just wondering... Olaf MySQL A.B., so far as I know, derives income from training, pubs sales, and enterprise support, with expense for salaries, space leases (at least some staff work from home), and equipment. The value of such an organization is inevitably based on somebody's best guess about future revenues. I'm encouraged about the prospects of MySQL when I remember that Sun is a major sponsor of open source application software. -- Barry -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun and mysql
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:07:19 -0500 Olaf Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and > MySQL AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google > just have way to much many to spend/waste? > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:36 -0600 "Jay Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or that Facebook is 'worth' multiple billions when they do not really > have a way to make money yet. > Uh, you both have to be kidding comparing MySQL with Youtube and Facebook, right? I'm not saying the $1 billion for MySQL was the right price, I believe it was a bargain for Sun but you are comparing apples and oranges. Go out on the street and ask people if they ever heard of these three. I bet you a few people will know MySQL, a lot will know Facebook and everybody will know Youtube. Youtube and Facebook are websites, visited by millions of people every day. That's what makes it it's value, future and present advertisements. YouTube was even used by CNN for the Republican and Democratic debates. Did you ever hear of MySQL on TV, anywhere? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sun and mysql
[snip] I am still amazed by the fact that youtube "is worth" 1.5 billion and MySQL AB barely 1 billion. Did they sell under price? Or does Google just have way to much many to spend/waste? [/snip] Or that Facebook is 'worth' multiple billions when they do not really have a way to make money yet. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
