Secure way of storing passwords in the database

2003-11-07 Thread Luis Lebron
Any suggestions of a secure way of storing membership passwords (for a
website) in a mysql database? Should I use sha, aes, des???

thanks,



Luis R. Lebron
Sigmatech, Inc


Re: Secure way of storing passwords in the database

2003-11-07 Thread Henning Heil
 Luis Lebron wrote on 07.11.2003 15:22 

Any suggestions of a secure way of storing membership passwords (for a
website) in a mysql database? Should I use sha, aes, des???
thanks,
 

Hi Luis,

try md5 encryption for passwords in your application and write 
md5-encrypted values to simple varchar/text fields in your db. you can 
find md5() in the php manual, there are also some examples in the user 
notes which can also be applied with other encryption methods (as I 
don't know whether you are using php).

Cherio,

Henning

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Re: Secure way of storing passwords in the database

2003-11-07 Thread David T-G
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Luis, et al --

...and then Luis Lebron said...
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% Any suggestions of a secure way of storing membership passwords (for a
% website) in a mysql database? Should I use sha, aes, des???

Do you really need to be able to decrypt and get the plaintext password?
Why not instead save the encrypted password and then when checking always
encrypt what you're given and compare it?  Not only is it more secure,
it's easier :-)


% 
% thanks,

Sure thing.


% 
% Luis R. Lebron
% Sigmatech, Inc


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RE: Secure way of storing passwords in the database

2003-11-07 Thread Erik Osterman
Right, you should really use a 1-way hashing algorithm like SHA1. If the
user forget's their password, require them to change it.. which is good
practice anyways, since someone else might have found it for them!

The general idea with 1-way hashing algorithms is that you compare the
result of hashing 2 strings. If the result is the same, there is a
ridiculously small chance that the 2 strings are different. 

MySQL provides built-in support for SHA1. 

SHA1(string)

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Miscellaneous_functions.html

Example: SELECT * FROM members WHERE id = 123 AND password
=SHA1($password);

$password is the user's input password.


Regards,

Erik Osterman
http://osterman.com/


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Luis, et al --

...and then Luis Lebron said...
% 
% Any suggestions of a secure way of storing membership passwords (for a
% website) in a mysql database? Should I use sha, aes, des???

Do you really need to be able to decrypt and get the plaintext password?
Why not instead save the encrypted password and then when checking always
encrypt what you're given and compare it?  Not only is it more secure,
it's easier :-)


% 
% thanks,

Sure thing.


% 
% Luis R. Lebron
% Sigmatech, Inc


HTH  HAND

:-D
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