Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages)
Monty: You started MySQL as a database server derived from msql several years ago, and, you made it quick. You made it a bunch of other things, but, what's most important is that you made it quick. You made it stable. Quick is good. Stable is better. When both are paired, it's a pure win. This is YOUR contribution. Your development and any assistance you got from the community and crew. Take credit. It's yours. We might have given suggestions, but, you wrote the code. We use it. And, we love how it works. isam, mysam, gemini, bdb, etc., table implementations are meaningless unless we know what is behind it. What's useful to me is that I can start a new application using the same db engine I've used for 5 years and not have to worry that it's going to corrupt my data. I know the interfaces, and, the new features I can use. ISAM is fine, or MySAM. I'll program on the front. I love stability. What is Gemini? And, what will it do for my clients that MySQL hasn't done for the past 5 years using ISAM, or MySAM? Put that on the NuSphere.Org site (whoops; mysql.org site). I don't care. My clients want stability and speed and a development community they can trust and who's track record they can check. They already have it. That's how you, Sinisa, David, and crew (MySQL AB) put this stuff together. That's why we all stuck around. Because it's great stuff and we've built useful, stable, quick applications using it. And, you and Sinisa are always here. I don't know how you do it. Perhaps, because you know it has a credible future. I'd hope Progress could see the light. Best Regards, Van Regards, Monty PS: Thanks for all support. If anyone thinks I am unfair in any of the comments above, feel free to write privately to me about this and I will try to correct myself in future postings. It's quite hard to keep ones temper in check when one is burning with passion to defend oneself and the thing one has been part of creating. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: mysql.org (comments to old messages)
http://www.nusphere.org Is available to register but I don't now why you would what to ;o).? Simon -Original Message- From: Van [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 July 2001 10:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages) Monty: You started MySQL as a database server derived from msql several years ago, and, you made it quick. You made it a bunch of other things, but, what's most important is that you made it quick. You made it stable. Quick is good. Stable is better. When both are paired, it's a pure win. This is YOUR contribution. Your development and any assistance you got from the community and crew. Take credit. It's yours. We might have given suggestions, but, you wrote the code. We use it. And, we love how it works. isam, mysam, gemini, bdb, etc., table implementations are meaningless unless we know what is behind it. What's useful to me is that I can start a new application using the same db engine I've used for 5 years and not have to worry that it's going to corrupt my data. I know the interfaces, and, the new features I can use. ISAM is fine, or MySAM. I'll program on the front. I love stability. What is Gemini? And, what will it do for my clients that MySQL hasn't done for the past 5 years using ISAM, or MySAM? Put that on the NuSphere.Org site (whoops; mysql.org site). I don't care. My clients want stability and speed and a development community they can trust and who's track record they can check. They already have it. That's how you, Sinisa, David, and crew (MySQL AB) put this stuff together. That's why we all stuck around. Because it's great stuff and we've built useful, stable, quick applications using it. And, you and Sinisa are always here. I don't know how you do it. Perhaps, because you know it has a credible future. I'd hope Progress could see the light. Best Regards, Van Regards, Monty PS: Thanks for all support. If anyone thinks I am unfair in any of the comments above, feel free to write privately to me about this and I will try to correct myself in future postings. It's quite hard to keep ones temper in check when one is burning with passion to defend oneself and the thing one has been part of creating. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
mysql.org (comments to old messages)
Hi! I am now finally back from Australia after a 36 hour, which involved 4 hours waiting for a airplane to be repaired, 3 plane changes and one missed airplane. Finally back in Finland, we got the message that our baggage had been lost on the way :( Australia was great, but it's real nice to be back home. I am in this email trying to shortly comment on the questions that have been left unanswered, in an attempt to ensure that everyone understands my standpoint in this case. Those that are already fed up with this discussion, please go back to your usual business of tuning MySQL, filing bug reports or helping other users on the MySQL email lists. Those that want a little more background information are free to continue. From: Thomas J Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] forwarded email from Britt Johnson: Britt Your comments about us not participating in any meaninful fashion Britt in the open source community are disappointing because it means Britt NuSphere has not done a good job communicating its work, I believe Britt we provide a significant service and have allowed many people who Britt otherwise could not use open source software to use it because of Britt our work on improving windows ports, integration of components, Britt and major features. We contribute back fixes and improvements to Britt many open source communities including apache, perl, php and mysql. Britt Much of that work is available at no cost through downloads at our Britt website. I'd invite you to download and try NuSphere MySQL and Britt see an example of what we have done. I found the above statement by Britt confusing. It's hard to say what NuSphere has been doing and not done. Apart from the crypt function, which I couldn't include in MySQL, and some small changes required to get Gemini to work within MySQL, I can't just now remember any patches or changes that NuSphere has contributed to the MySQL server. If there has been any other code contributions, they have been minor and infrequent. Britt The importance of our investment is reflected in Monty's own words: Britt NuSphere has identified a very important technical enhancement Britt needed to transform MySQL into an enterprise-enabled database capable Britt of competing with commercial heavyweights, said Michael Monty Britt Widenius, chief technology officer of MySQL AB. In MySQL's five-year Britt history, this is the most significant contribution from a source Britt outside MySQL AB that has ever occurred. This is an interesting item (at least for me). The background was that NuSphere said they would release Gemini in January 2001 and wanted to get some publicity out of this. NuSphere emailed me the above text and asked if I could put approve the above text for their press release where they would announce Gemini. We at MySQL wanted (at that time) to support them, so we said they could go ahead with the press release, but they had to some changes, which involved changing 'THE most' to 'one of the most' or 'a most significant'. Another thing is also that while NuSphere delayed the release of Gemini because of their own reasons, Heikki Tuuri at Innobase got interested in MySQL. His table handler, InnoDB, which has been included in the MySQL source releases since 3.23.34, is an as important contribution as Gemini. cut Britt As we said last January, we planned on Gemini being released Britt under an open source license as part of the launch of MySQL 4.0, Britt but that release has not shipped so we have decided to release Britt the source through mysql.org instead soon after its launch (the Britt community needs to setup CVS to support that effort). Note that Britt Gemini has both commercial and open source licenses just like Britt MySQL itself and the products we are currently shipping are Britt provided with a commercial license of Gemini. We absolutely Britt believe we have the right to do this. We offered NuSphere to be included into the MySQL 3.23 release, just like BDB and InnoDB, but NuSphere was not interested. Britt seams to have missed to inform you here about one basic flaw in the above argument. The reason we at MySQL can provide MySQL under an open source and a commercial license is that the we have the copyright to all the GPL MySQL server code except Berkeley DB (which is not really GPL, but has a strict copyright), Gemini and InnoDB. This gives us the right to release the code under a standard commercial license, as long as we don't include any of the above components, without an approval from the copyright holders, into this release. We do have such agreements with InnoDB and and understanding of how to do this with the Berkeley DB people. NuSphere has the same benefit. They can release Gemini without MySQL under a commercial license. They can't not release Gemini with MySQL under any not GPL compatible license. The above statement by Britt is a clear violation of the GPL license. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl-faq.html The
