Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Brian Wood 

On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:00 PM, Chris Ribe wrote:

>  Jumping in on a tangent here, but I am running 32 bit FC4  
> installation on an EM64T processor for a couple of reasons.  First  
> of all, I couldn't my x86_64 install CDs to  work.  It took me  
> about 72 hours in front of the computer to get everything  
> installed.  I believe the problems were due to bad memory (and a  
> incompatible power button header on the MB, and a lack of thermal  
> grease between processor and heatsink), but the install I finally  
> got to work was 32 bit.

You probably should have used 64-bit thermal grease.
>
> Anyhow, I now have my myth box up and running with an smp kernel on  
> a P4 630+.  Jarod suggests in FC4 install guide that x86_64 is less  
> stable than 32bit, and I have not yet heard any potential benefits  
> of using x86_64 linux for a myth box.
>
> So then, might I see significantly faster transcode times were I   
> to switch to a 64  bit installation?  The only transcoding I am  
> interested in is from DVD to mpeg4, if that somehow makes a  
> difference.

Theoretically there should be a big improvement, but a lot of the  
apps have not been well optimized for 64-bit. They seem to think  
they're done when they get it to compile and run. I'm afraid that  
until the gamers pick up on 64-bit there won't be too much pressure  
to speed things up.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Chris Ribe 
 Jumping in on a tangent here, but I am running 32 bit FC4
installation on an EM64T processor for a couple of reasons.  First
of all, I couldn't my x86_64 install CDs to  work.  It took
me about 72 hours in front of the computer to get everything
installed.  I believe the problems were due to bad memory (and a
incompatible power button header on the MB, and a lack of thermal
grease between processor and heatsink), but the install I finally got
to work was 32 bit.

Anyhow, I now have my myth box up and running with an smp kernel on a
P4 630+.  Jarod suggests in FC4 install guide that x86_64 is less
stable than 32bit, and I have not yet heard any potential benefits of
using x86_64 linux for a myth box.

So then, might I see significantly faster transcode times were I 
to switch to a 64  bit installation?  The only transcoding I
am interested in is from DVD to mpeg4, if that somehow makes a
difference.  

     

After going through that nightmareOn 1/21/06, Brian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Michael Haan wrote:>> There's not, except that 64-bit support has... disappointed me in> the pastI've run 64-bit since my first DEC 21064 (aka "alpha") machine.
Frustrating at times, but fun, and really great for video transcodingwork.I've found Gentoo's support for 64-bit hardware to be quite good,it's only the proprietary stuff (Flash?) that still gives trouble at
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Brian Wood 

On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Michael Haan wrote:

>
> There's not, except that 64-bit support has... disappointed me in  
> the past

I've run 64-bit since my first DEC 21064 (aka "alpha") machine.  
Frustrating at times, but fun, and really great for video transcoding  
work.

I've found Gentoo's support for 64-bit hardware to be quite good,  
it's only the proprietary stuff (Flash?) that still gives trouble at  
times.

"Dammit you *can't* make a pointer from an integer, I don't care if  
it *does* work on your &^#$$%^# Intel machine" :-)
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Axel Thimm 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:03:33PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:
> On 1/21/06, Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Axel, I'd love to go with FC5 in 64 bit mode.  Where can I get
> > > > it, and do I just follow Jarod's guide?
> >
> > More or less. The isos are available from
> >
> > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/4.91/
> >
> > or a mirror. Then use Jarod's guide and replace fc4 -> fc5. See also
> >
> > http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-devel/2006-January/000953.html
> >

> Sounds great!  One final question, is fc5 using 2.6.15, or do I just use the
> updates-testing?

It's using 2.6.15.something.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
On 1/21/06, Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:52:59PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:> > > nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bit> > > mode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.> > >
> > > > I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there> > > > for my setup.> > >> > > If you really want to test 2.6.15 you can use FC5 test 2 for which
> > > ATrpms has nvidia support.> > Axel, I'd love to go with FC5 in 64 bit mode.  Where can I get it, and do> > I just follow Jarod's guide?More or less. The isos are available from
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/4.91/or a mirror. Then use Jarod's guide and replace fc4 -> fc5. See also
http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-devel/2006-January/000953.html> There's not, except that 64-bit support has... disappointed me in the past.
The nice thing about the x86_64 versions of FC is that they support 32bit legacy mode, so you can always use your favourite 32 bitapps. E.g. some time back mythtv was offered as 32 bit rpms, untilJarod fixed some 64 bit issues (now all seems to work fine on 64
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2.6.15, or do I just use the updates-testing?
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Axel Thimm 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:52:59PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:
> > > nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bit
> > > mode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.
> > >
> > > > I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there
> > > > for my setup.
> > >
> > > If you really want to test 2.6.15 you can use FC5 test 2 for which
> > > ATrpms has nvidia support.

> > Axel, I'd love to go with FC5 in 64 bit mode.  Where can I get it, and do
> > I just follow Jarod's guide?

More or less. The isos are available from

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/4.91/

or a mirror. Then use Jarod's guide and replace fc4 -> fc5. See also

http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-devel/2006-January/000953.html

> There's not, except that 64-bit support has... disappointed me in the past.

The nice thing about the x86_64 versions of FC is that they support 32
bit legacy mode, so you can always use your favourite 32 bit
apps. E.g. some time back mythtv was offered as 32 bit rpms, until
Jarod fixed some 64 bit issues (now all seems to work fine on 64
bits).

You'll have headaches with flash plugins of course.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
On 1/21/06, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/21/06, Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:28:13PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:> On 1/21/06, Brian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:
> >> > > Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,> > > my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?> >> > What card, what drivers (generic or nVidia's)? If the latter, did you
> > re-compile for the newer kernel? Is it totally "broke" (no video at> > all?), or just not working in X?> >> > If you're using nVidia's drivers you will normally need to re-compile
> > for any change in the kernel, even a minor one, and especially for a> > version bump.> >> > Anything in the X log? Any on-screen messages?> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site only
> has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bitmode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.> I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there
> for my setup.If you really want to test 2.6.15 you can use FC5 test 2 for whichATrpms has nvidia support.--Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net___

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Axel, I'd love to go with FC5 in 64 bit mode.  Where can I get it, and do I just follow Jarod's guide?

There's not, except that 64-bit support has... disappointed me in the past.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
On 1/21/06, Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:28:13PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:> On 1/21/06, Brian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >> > On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:
> >> > > Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,> > > my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?> >> > What card, what drivers (generic or nVidia's)? If the latter, did you
> > re-compile for the newer kernel? Is it totally "broke" (no video at> > all?), or just not working in X?> >> > If you're using nVidia's drivers you will normally need to re-compile
> > for any change in the kernel, even a minor one, and especially for a> > version bump.> >> > Anything in the X log? Any on-screen messages?> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site only
> has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bitmode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.> I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there
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Axel, I'd love to go with FC5 in 64 bit mode.  Where can I get it, and do I just follow Jarod's guide?
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Brian Wood 

On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Axel Thimm wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:28:13PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:
>
>> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia  
>> site only
>> has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.
>
> nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bit
> mode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.
>
>> I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there
>> for my setup.
>
> If you really want to test 2.6.15 you can use FC5 test 2 for which
> ATrpms has nvidia support.

I guess I'm just curious as well, why would you run a 64-bit machine  
in 32-bit mode? I'm running an amd64 in 64-bit mode without apparent  
problems (related to bittedness anyway), it there's some advantage to  
running 32-bit I'd be interested.

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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Axel Thimm 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:28:13PM -0500, Michael Haan wrote:
> On 1/21/06, Brian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:
> >
> > > Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,
> > > my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?
> >
> > What card, what drivers (generic or nVidia's)? If the latter, did you
> > re-compile for the newer kernel? Is it totally "broke" (no video at
> > all?), or just not working in X?
> >
> > If you're using nVidia's drivers you will normally need to re-compile
> > for any change in the kernel, even a minor one, and especially for a
> > version bump.
> >
> > Anything in the X log? Any on-screen messages?

> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site only
> has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.

nvidia has both 32 and 64 bit installers. If you are running in 32 bit
mode (why?) then use the 32 bit installer.

> I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there
> for my setup.

If you really want to test 2.6.15 you can use FC5 test 2 for which
ATrpms has nvidia support.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
On 1/21/06, Matthew Geier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael Haan wrote:> On 1/21/06, *Brian Wood* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>>> On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:
>>  > Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,>  > my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site
> only has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.  I> got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there for my> setup.  The 'nvidia.ko' module has to be recompiled for every kernel change.
  The 'easy way' is to just re-run the installer.  If you don't have that http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html has 'em.  The slightly more difficult way is to --extract-only the Nvidia
package you got above, go to {nvidia package version}usr/src/nv and type'make install'.  It will just compile and install the kernel module. (It does need tofind the kernel headers though), instead of re-installing the entire kit.
  I'm happly running the latest 8178 on 2.6.15.1___mythtv-users mailing listmythtv-users@mythtv.org
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Brian Wood 

On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Michael Haan wrote:

>
> Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia  
> site only has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32  
> bit mode.  I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet  
> available there for my setup.

You should be able to just re-compile the nVidia sources that you  
already have. Normally just re-running the shell script that nVidia  
supplies solves the problems. It should build against your installed  
kernel sources, as long as they match your actual running kernel you  
should be OK.

Or have the kernel developers been making things "smoother" again?

If you installed the new kernel in some "binary" way you may have a  
problem, make sure you have the matching kernel sources linked to / 
usr/src/linux.
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Matthew Geier 

Michael Haan wrote:

On 1/21/06, *Brian Wood* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:

 > Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,
 > my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?



Right, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site 
only has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.  I 
got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there for my 
setup.


 The 'nvidia.ko' module has to be recompiled for every kernel change.

 The 'easy way' is to just re-run the installer.

 If you don't have that http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html has 'em.

 The slightly more difficult way is to --extract-only the Nvidia 
package you got above, go to {nvidia package version}usr/src/nv and type 
'make install'.
 It will just compile and install the kernel module. (It does need to 
find the kernel headers though), instead of re-installing the entire kit.


 I'm happly running the latest 8178 on 2.6.15.1


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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
On 1/21/06, Brian Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:> Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,> my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?What card, what drivers (generic or nVidia's)? If the latter, did you
re-compile for the newer kernel? Is it totally "broke" (no video atall?), or just not working in X?If you're using nVidia's drivers you will normally need to re-compilefor any change in the kernel, even a minor one, and especially for a
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http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-usersRight, but I went to get them and they aren't there.  The nvidia site only has amd64, which is what I have, but I'm running in 32 bit mode.  I got my original set from atrpms, but none are yet available there for my setup.

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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Brian Wood 

On Jan 21, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Michael Haan wrote:

> Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course,  
> my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?

What card, what drivers (generic or nVidia's)? If the latter, did you  
re-compile for the newer kernel? Is it totally "broke" (no video at  
all?), or just not working in X?

If you're using nVidia's drivers you will normally need to re-compile  
for any change in the kernel, even a minor one, and especially for a  
version bump.

Anything in the X log? Any on-screen messages?


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Re: [mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Justin Hornsby 
On 22/01/06, Michael Haan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course, my nvidia
> graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?
>

Of course you need to reinstall the nvidia drivers after a kernel upgrade ;-)
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[mythtv-users] 2.6.15 and nvidia cards

2006-01-21 Thread Michael Haan 
Quite simply, I tried to install the 2.6.15 kernel and, of course, my nvidia graphics card broke.  Anyone doing this and, if so, how?
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