Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 08:38, Maverick wrote: > > Cobblers. There's no restriction on -dev users as you'll notice by > > the amount of complete crap that gets posted there. > > Yup, I requested and got the confirmation email this time. It musta > gotten lost before... > Ah well such is life. > > I'm talking about 3'rd party apps. I've seen several things posted on > -users that people are like announcing, but there doesn't seem to be > any history of them having been working on it. > > One such example I ran into is: http://mythextra.napsi.net/ > Hokay. That's someone's independent project that they're working on outside the myth tree I thought you were talking about features incorporated into mythtv. They've worked on something in their own and announced it on users. What's the problem there? That has nothing to do with the mythtv development process. > In any case, all the projects on that page (mythmail available under > download) are not linked from any of the mythtv.org pages. I realize > it's not "usable" in the sense of being in CVS, but it would be really > cool if there where a section on mythtv.org, like here: > > http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads > There's a wiki for that sort of unrelated link. Expecting mythtv to link to everyone and his dog's project is unrealistic. If someone wants to work on something on their own then announce it. Fine. If someone wants to work on something and get help they can announce their intention. If someone wants to work on something and announce changes on myth-dev they can. > It could have links to different modules "in development" or > "unfinished", so we could at least find them without having to troll > -dev -users, google, etc. The only reason I found out about mythMail > is because I typed 'mythmail' in google... My lucky day! :) > Oh the pain. Having to trawl through google or the archives for information. :-) > Who knows, maybe if people knew about some of the addon's, they'd be > more willing to help develop them. > Perhaps the people working on the addon's don't want anyone else working on them. Cheers, -- Ivor http://www.ivor.it ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
> Cobblers. There's no restriction on -dev users as you'll notice by the > amount of complete crap that gets posted there. Yup, I requested and got the confirmation email this time. It musta gotten lost before... > > I understand the not wanting to play 20 questions, but it would be > > nice to see a list of "what is planned" for myth, after all, there > > might be someone able to help code a particularly new feature, or > > already working on it as a hack of their own, as to yet be shared. I > > see new addons and stuff for myth just appear on this list with no > > warning, sometimes, I go, 'gee, I'm glad I wasn't working on that!' > > > Nothing just appears by magic. Everything that gets included gets discussed on > the dev and/or users lists. I'm talking about 3'rd party apps. I've seen several things posted on -users that people are like announcing, but there doesn't seem to be any history of them having been working on it. One such example I ran into is: http://mythextra.napsi.net/ ...a mythMail (email reader) module. Something I've not only suggested, but offered to help work on. I'd be so excited to have a mail reader, that I'd actually connect a keyboard to my mythbox to dev/test with! In any case, all the projects on that page (mythmail available under download) are not linked from any of the mythtv.org pages. I realize it's not "usable" in the sense of being in CVS, but it would be really cool if there where a section on mythtv.org, like here: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads It could have links to different modules "in development" or "unfinished", so we could at least find them without having to troll -dev -users, google, etc. The only reason I found out about mythMail is because I typed 'mythmail' in google... My lucky day! :) Even better, a page where the dev's making those addon's can submit their link to be added to this dev links section. There's also a lacking in a collection of theme links available on mythtv.org. Just one example is MythCenter, which I think is a very nice theme, and although it emulates an m$ design, it's still something people may want to know about... Who knows, maybe if people knew about some of the addon's, they'd be more willing to help develop them. -Kenneth ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 00:25 -0500, Maverick wrote: > Yeah, I'm somewhat new to mythtv (3 months), and I tried to join the > dev list to submit a bug fix patch and never got a confirmation email. > I guess they have all the developers they want, and don't want any > "newbs" submitting bug fixes. Oh well. Maybe I'll try again... Not so much. Anyone can submit patches. They either get accepted, rejected, or missed. Let's walk that path: 1. Accepted. Gravy. 2. Rejected because... a) it's a badly structured fix (meaning that it doesn't take the right approach) b) doesn't fit coding conventions (meaning that it'll have to be reworked) c) it's a bad idea given what Myth is trying to do (meaning, don't bother with this patch - nice try, but no cigar) 3. Missed. Ask questions and (politely) champion your patch in case everyone missed it. Don't be impatient - this is a volunteer project, remember? And don't expect confirmation emails. Check mythtv-commits periodically to see if it got in... In all cases, it's nothing personal - keep plugging away. I'm not a developer, but I've submitted 3 patches in total. Two hit category 1. One hit category 2a. We're all doing our bit... -I ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 06:25, Maverick wrote: > Yeah, I'm somewhat new to mythtv (3 months), and I tried to join the > dev list to submit a bug fix patch and never got a confirmation email. > I guess they have all the developers they want, and don't want any > "newbs" submitting bug fixes. Oh well. Maybe I'll try again... > Cobblers. There's no restriction on -dev users as you'll notice by the amount of complete crap that gets posted there. > I understand the not wanting to play 20 questions, but it would be > nice to see a list of "what is planned" for myth, after all, there > might be someone able to help code a particularly new feature, or > already working on it as a hack of their own, as to yet be shared. I > see new addons and stuff for myth just appear on this list with no > warning, sometimes, I go, 'gee, I'm glad I wasn't working on that!' > Nothing just appears by magic. Everything that gets included gets discussed on the dev and/or users lists. -- Ivor http://www.ivor.it ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
> Yes it is. Well its a binary that gives you a couple of examples of new > capabilities, i.e. fades, movement and animations. (There could be other > stuff, but not in the demo.) If you don't have OpenGL acceleration, don't > even bother as the demo will be slww ;-) It'll be possible to > turn this off in the proper implementation for slower systems. > > Apparently a lot of the initial discussion goes on between the devs off-list. > Sensible bearing in mind that a) they know the current architecture, b) > they'll be the ones doing all (?) the work, and c) it'll save them wasting > breath explaining for the twentieth time why feature X is not going to be > implemented ;-) > > I'm a newb around here, I just got lucky talking to one of the devs on another > site talking about themes. He told me to hold off substantial work, as the > whole "kit and kaboodle" was going to be changing for 0.19. Yeah, I'm somewhat new to mythtv (3 months), and I tried to join the dev list to submit a bug fix patch and never got a confirmation email. I guess they have all the developers they want, and don't want any "newbs" submitting bug fixes. Oh well. Maybe I'll try again... I understand the not wanting to play 20 questions, but it would be nice to see a list of "what is planned" for myth, after all, there might be someone able to help code a particularly new feature, or already working on it as a hack of their own, as to yet be shared. I see new addons and stuff for myth just appear on this list with no warning, sometimes, I go, 'gee, I'm glad I wasn't working on that!' -Kenneth ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Saturday 26 March 2005 01:33, Maverick wrote: > > A big one will be 0.19 when the whole GUI engine gets a thorough > > reworking. If you've played with the MythUI test app, you'll know what > > I'm talking about. > > I assume MythUI is in CVS? I'd kinda like to see what it's all > about... Is there a discussion about what impending UI changes that > are planned? Yes it is. Well its a binary that gives you a couple of examples of new capabilities, i.e. fades, movement and animations. (There could be other stuff, but not in the demo.) If you don't have OpenGL acceleration, don't even bother as the demo will be slww ;-) It'll be possible to turn this off in the proper implementation for slower systems. Apparently a lot of the initial discussion goes on between the devs off-list. Sensible bearing in mind that a) they know the current architecture, b) they'll be the ones doing all (?) the work, and c) it'll save them wasting breath explaining for the twentieth time why feature X is not going to be implemented ;-) I'm a newb around here, I just got lucky talking to one of the devs on another site talking about themes. He told me to hold off substantial work, as the whole "kit and kaboodle" was going to be changing for 0.19. -- Steve Boddy ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Friday 25 March 2005 15:04, Stephen Boddy wrote: > On Friday 25 March 2005 23:42, John Andersen wrote: > > On Friday 25 March 2005 14:29, Maverick wrote: > > > > Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. > > > > > > I for one am glad that the releases are (maybe going to be?) more > > > frequent, I think it encourages users to test new features they > > > wouldn't otherwise bother to pull CVS and test. > > > > My sentiments exactly. > > > > But I have yet to hear Isaac say there was a .18 any > > time soon... And I'm sure its a lot of work for him > > to get one built. > > Search for a recent message in the dev list from Isaac with "tarball" in the > title. He mentions 0.18 in the next couple of weeks. Ok, gotcha, thats why i didnt see it, I don't monitor dev list. -- __Jsa_ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 12:54 -0600, John Williams wrote: > Quoted from www.mythtv.info > > > 0.18 is nigh -- Isaac just engaged in the Montlhy Patch Festival the > other day, committing about 2 dozen patches from the outstanding > queue. He said on the mailing list that 0.18 might happen in a couple > of weeks, pending one or two critical stability patches. If you have > patches on your shelf, let's get them in *now*, instead of waiting > until he makes the announcement, like last time. 'k? [BayLink > 23-Mar-05] > > > Try that site for what's under development and what should be in the release. The under development page still talks about 0.17. Anyone know where a list of 0.18 changes is? Lonnie Borntreger ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
> A big one will be 0.19 when the whole GUI engine gets a thorough reworking. If > you've played with the MythUI test app, you'll know what I'm talking about. I assume MythUI is in CVS? I'd kinda like to see what it's all about... Is there a discussion about what impending UI changes that are planned? -Kenneth ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Friday 25 March 2005 23:42, John Andersen wrote: > On Friday 25 March 2005 14:29, Maverick wrote: > > > Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. > > > > I for one am glad that the releases are (maybe going to be?) more > > frequent, I think it encourages users to test new features they > > wouldn't otherwise bother to pull CVS and test. > > My sentiments exactly. > > But I have yet to hear Isaac say there was a .18 any > time soon... And I'm sure its a lot of work for him > to get one built. Search for a recent message in the dev list from Isaac with "tarball" in the title. He mentions 0.18 in the next couple of weeks. -- Steve Boddy ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Friday 25 March 2005 14:29, Maverick wrote: > > Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. > > I for one am glad that the releases are (maybe going to be?) more > frequent, I think it encourages users to test new features they > wouldn't otherwise bother to pull CVS and test. My sentiments exactly. But I have yet to hear Isaac say there was a .18 any time soon... And I'm sure its a lot of work for him to get one built. -- __Jsa_ ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Friday 25 March 2005 23:04, Shawn Asmussen wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:54:07 -0600, John Williams > > Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. I get the feeling that 0.18 is more of an unofficial stabilising release to firm things up in general from the 0.17, without any major changes (no disrespect to those making additions to 0.17, but I'm thinking architectural changes.) A big one will be 0.19 when the whole GUI engine gets a thorough reworking. If you've played with the MythUI test app, you'll know what I'm talking about. -- Steve Boddy ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
> Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. I for one am glad that the releases are (maybe going to be?) more frequent, I think it encourages users to test new features they wouldn't otherwise bother to pull CVS and test. Thanks MythTV Developers! -Kenneth ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:54:07 -0600, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:45:26 -0800 (PST), JacqueUsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I was assembling equipment these past few weeks to do a bare metal install > > of .17. I picked up on a discussion somewhere along the line that a .18 > > release was coming up real soon. > > > > I'd rather hold off on my install for .18 if I think it's going to be a > > dramatic enough step. Can anyone clue me in on what's in store for the .18 > > release? I tried reviewing the commits but couldn't make heads or tails of > > most of the information. > > > > Thank you! > Quoted from www.mythtv.info > > > 0.18 is nigh -- Isaac just engaged in the Montlhy Patch Festival the > other day, committing about 2 dozen patches from the outstanding > queue. He said on the mailing list that 0.18 might happen in a couple > of weeks, pending one or two critical stability patches. If you have > patches on your shelf, let's get them in *now*, instead of waiting > until he makes the announcement, like last time. 'k? [BayLink > 23-Mar-05] > Wow! That's pretty quick. 0.17 isn't THAT old yet. With all the patches that have been going in, does anybody know if the issue with mythweb making the backend crash has been figured out yet? Shawn Asmussen ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
Would these patches be in the nightly build? On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:54:07 -0600, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:45:26 -0800 (PST), JacqueUsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I was assembling equipment these past few weeks to do a bare metal install > > of .17. I picked up on a discussion somewhere along the line that a .18 > > release was coming up real soon. > > > > I'd rather hold off on my install for .18 if I think it's going to be a > > dramatic enough step. Can anyone clue me in on what's in store for the .18 > > release? I tried reviewing the commits but couldn't make heads or tails of > > most of the information. > > > > Thank you! > Quoted from www.mythtv.info > > > 0.18 is nigh -- Isaac just engaged in the Montlhy Patch Festival the > other day, committing about 2 dozen patches from the outstanding > queue. He said on the mailing list that 0.18 might happen in a couple > of weeks, pending one or two critical stability patches. If you have > patches on your shelf, let's get them in *now*, instead of waiting > until he makes the announcement, like last time. 'k? [BayLink > 23-Mar-05] > > > Try that site for what's under development and what should be in the release. > > -- > I have plenty of G Mail invites. Ask me if you'd like one. G Mail > rocks for email lists. > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > -- Thanks, Devan Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 617 571-3017 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:45:26 -0800 (PST), JacqueUsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I was assembling equipment these past few weeks to do a bare metal install > of .17. I picked up on a discussion somewhere along the line that a .18 > release was coming up real soon. > > I'd rather hold off on my install for .18 if I think it's going to be a > dramatic enough step. Can anyone clue me in on what's in store for the .18 > release? I tried reviewing the commits but couldn't make heads or tails of > most of the information. > > Thank you! Quoted from www.mythtv.info 0.18 is nigh -- Isaac just engaged in the Montlhy Patch Festival the other day, committing about 2 dozen patches from the outstanding queue. He said on the mailing list that 0.18 might happen in a couple of weeks, pending one or two critical stability patches. If you have patches on your shelf, let's get them in *now*, instead of waiting until he makes the announcement, like last time. 'k? [BayLink 23-Mar-05] Try that site for what's under development and what should be in the release. -- I have plenty of G Mail invites. Ask me if you'd like one. G Mail rocks for email lists. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] MythTV .18 impending release? If so, what's in it?
I was assembling equipment these past few weeks to do a bare metal install of .17. I picked up on a discussion somewhere along the line that a .18 release was coming up real soon. I'd rather hold off on my install for .18 if I think it's going to be a dramatic enough step. Can anyone clue me in on what's in store for the .18 release? I tried reviewing the commits but couldn't make heads or tails of most of the information. Thank you!__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
