RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark...
Have *you* used Cleaner 5 for windows? XL is at least reasonable. But 5 is terrible. So if the iPod Shuffle was produced by anyone other than Apple, do you think it would get the press/accolades/sales that it is? It's called marketing... BTW: I do care about my home-built HTPC. Do you think someone would subscribe to a 200msg/day list if they didn't? Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:36 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark... Does anyone care about home built HTPCs anymore ? The only thing MythTV does well is marketing ! bleh - what a troll "Very slow piece of junk" hahaha - the droll troll -=dave On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0800, Ian Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've used cleaner 5 for Windows and it is a very slow piece of junk. It > does however work well in an automated video production environment. > > Does anyone even care about the Mac/PC comparison anymore? The only > thing Apple does right these days is marketing. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:40 AM > To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal > benchmark... > > speaking of unrelated benchmarks... > > I while ago I was processing analog VHS corporate media -> MJPEG full > NTSC > captures -> MPEG2 DVD-spec'd streams with Discreet's Cleaner 5. My G3 > tower > was talking an excruciating 12hrs to process each 1/2-hr clip. I > decided > I'd setup my 1.1GHz PC to do the same so I could process multiple files > simultaneously in order to make a deadline. > > Here are the specs: > > PC: > 1GHz PIII (256kB L2, 153MHz FSB, 1150MHz CPU Speed/1150MHz L2 Cache > Speed) > CUSL-2 Mobo > Windows 2000 Professional (forget SP number) > > Mac: > G3 Tower 266MHz (512kB L2, 84MHz FSB, 292MHz CPU/194MHz L2) > Original Rev. A "Beige" codname "Gossomer" Mobo > Mac OS 10.1.6 > > Subsystems that were identical on each machine (exactly identical, as > they > each used the same exact hardware): > 512MB ECC SDRAM "Crucial" (the Mac didn't utilize the ECC function but > the > CUSL-2 did) > Adaptec 29160 U3 SCSI Controller (160MB/s) > 3x 36GB Atlas III 10k M160 SCSI Drive (1 boot/temp, 1 source, 1 > destination) > Cleaner 5.0.0 (Mac/PC) > > MJPEG source file was cropped, color-spaced correction, and heavily > processed with highest quality settings for a 5-7Mbps MPEG2 DVD-Spec > stream. > The repeatable results show approximate times: > > PC: 18Hrs > Mac: 12Hrs > > Make of this what you will, but it is CERTAINLY not straight MHz, or > even > bus speeds. > > Anyone can argue any section of this totally informal test as invalid. > The > easiest is to claim that Discreet may not have optimzied the code for > the PC > version of the software but I just can't imagine that would be the case. > If > we assume that Discreet abides by the rules of capitolizm, then we have > to > assume that they put as much effort as attempting to build a quality > product > on each platform. If this is even remotely true, then the results > certainly > support the idea that the PPC processing platform can really munge > data... > and FAST. > > okay, you platform biggots can flame amongst yourselves ;) > > -=dave > > > "THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE. IT MAY CONTAIN PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE MAY CORRECT OUR TRANSMISSION. PLEASE DESTROY THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU." > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > "THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE. IT MAY CONTAIN PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE MAY CORRECT OUR TRANSMISSION. PLEASE DESTROY THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark...
Does anyone care about home built HTPCs anymore ? The only thing MythTV does well is marketing ! bleh - what a troll "Very slow piece of junk" hahaha - the droll troll -=dave On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0800, Ian Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've used cleaner 5 for Windows and it is a very slow piece of junk. It > does however work well in an automated video production environment. > > Does anyone even care about the Mac/PC comparison anymore? The only > thing Apple does right these days is marketing. > > Ian > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:40 AM > To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal > benchmark... > > speaking of unrelated benchmarks... > > I while ago I was processing analog VHS corporate media -> MJPEG full > NTSC > captures -> MPEG2 DVD-spec'd streams with Discreet's Cleaner 5. My G3 > tower > was talking an excruciating 12hrs to process each 1/2-hr clip. I > decided > I'd setup my 1.1GHz PC to do the same so I could process multiple files > simultaneously in order to make a deadline. > > Here are the specs: > > PC: > 1GHz PIII (256kB L2, 153MHz FSB, 1150MHz CPU Speed/1150MHz L2 Cache > Speed) > CUSL-2 Mobo > Windows 2000 Professional (forget SP number) > > Mac: > G3 Tower 266MHz (512kB L2, 84MHz FSB, 292MHz CPU/194MHz L2) > Original Rev. A "Beige" codname "Gossomer" Mobo > Mac OS 10.1.6 > > Subsystems that were identical on each machine (exactly identical, as > they > each used the same exact hardware): > 512MB ECC SDRAM "Crucial" (the Mac didn't utilize the ECC function but > the > CUSL-2 did) > Adaptec 29160 U3 SCSI Controller (160MB/s) > 3x 36GB Atlas III 10k M160 SCSI Drive (1 boot/temp, 1 source, 1 > destination) > Cleaner 5.0.0 (Mac/PC) > > MJPEG source file was cropped, color-spaced correction, and heavily > processed with highest quality settings for a 5-7Mbps MPEG2 DVD-Spec > stream. > The repeatable results show approximate times: > > PC: 18Hrs > Mac: 12Hrs > > Make of this what you will, but it is CERTAINLY not straight MHz, or > even > bus speeds. > > Anyone can argue any section of this totally informal test as invalid. > The > easiest is to claim that Discreet may not have optimzied the code for > the PC > version of the software but I just can't imagine that would be the case. > If > we assume that Discreet abides by the rules of capitolizm, then we have > to > assume that they put as much effort as attempting to build a quality > product > on each platform. If this is even remotely true, then the results > certainly > support the idea that the PPC processing platform can really munge > data... > and FAST. > > okay, you platform biggots can flame amongst yourselves ;) > > -=dave > > > "THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE. IT MAY CONTAIN > PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE IS > STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE > NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE MAY CORRECT OUR TRANSMISSION. PLEASE DESTROY > THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU." > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark...
I've used cleaner 5 for Windows and it is a very slow piece of junk. It does however work well in an automated video production environment. Does anyone even care about the Mac/PC comparison anymore? The only thing Apple does right these days is marketing. Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:40 AM To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark... speaking of unrelated benchmarks... I while ago I was processing analog VHS corporate media -> MJPEG full NTSC captures -> MPEG2 DVD-spec'd streams with Discreet's Cleaner 5. My G3 tower was talking an excruciating 12hrs to process each 1/2-hr clip. I decided I'd setup my 1.1GHz PC to do the same so I could process multiple files simultaneously in order to make a deadline. Here are the specs: PC: 1GHz PIII (256kB L2, 153MHz FSB, 1150MHz CPU Speed/1150MHz L2 Cache Speed) CUSL-2 Mobo Windows 2000 Professional (forget SP number) Mac: G3 Tower 266MHz (512kB L2, 84MHz FSB, 292MHz CPU/194MHz L2) Original Rev. A "Beige" codname "Gossomer" Mobo Mac OS 10.1.6 Subsystems that were identical on each machine (exactly identical, as they each used the same exact hardware): 512MB ECC SDRAM "Crucial" (the Mac didn't utilize the ECC function but the CUSL-2 did) Adaptec 29160 U3 SCSI Controller (160MB/s) 3x 36GB Atlas III 10k M160 SCSI Drive (1 boot/temp, 1 source, 1 destination) Cleaner 5.0.0 (Mac/PC) MJPEG source file was cropped, color-spaced correction, and heavily processed with highest quality settings for a 5-7Mbps MPEG2 DVD-Spec stream. The repeatable results show approximate times: PC: 18Hrs Mac: 12Hrs Make of this what you will, but it is CERTAINLY not straight MHz, or even bus speeds. Anyone can argue any section of this totally informal test as invalid. The easiest is to claim that Discreet may not have optimzied the code for the PC version of the software but I just can't imagine that would be the case. If we assume that Discreet abides by the rules of capitolizm, then we have to assume that they put as much effort as attempting to build a quality product on each platform. If this is even remotely true, then the results certainly support the idea that the PPC processing platform can really munge data... and FAST. okay, you platform biggots can flame amongst yourselves ;) -=dave "THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE ADDRESSEE. IT MAY CONTAIN PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. ANY UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE MAY CORRECT OUR TRANSMISSION. PLEASE DESTROY THE ORIGINAL. THANK YOU." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini - one unrelated informal benchmark...
speaking of unrelated benchmarks... I while ago I was processing analog VHS corporate media -> MJPEG full NTSC captures -> MPEG2 DVD-spec'd streams with Discreet's Cleaner 5. My G3 tower was talking an excruciating 12hrs to process each 1/2-hr clip. I decided I'd setup my 1.1GHz PC to do the same so I could process multiple files simultaneously in order to make a deadline. Here are the specs: PC: 1GHz PIII (256kB L2, 153MHz FSB, 1150MHz CPU Speed/1150MHz L2 Cache Speed) CUSL-2 Mobo Windows 2000 Professional (forget SP number) Mac: G3 Tower 266MHz (512kB L2, 84MHz FSB, 292MHz CPU/194MHz L2) Original Rev. A "Beige" codname "Gossomer" Mobo Mac OS 10.1.6 Subsystems that were identical on each machine (exactly identical, as they each used the same exact hardware): 512MB ECC SDRAM "Crucial" (the Mac didn't utilize the ECC function but the CUSL-2 did) Adaptec 29160 U3 SCSI Controller (160MB/s) 3x 36GB Atlas III 10k M160 SCSI Drive (1 boot/temp, 1 source, 1 destination) Cleaner 5.0.0 (Mac/PC) MJPEG source file was cropped, color-spaced correction, and heavily processed with highest quality settings for a 5-7Mbps MPEG2 DVD-Spec stream. The repeatable results show approximate times: PC: 18Hrs Mac: 12Hrs Make of this what you will, but it is CERTAINLY not straight MHz, or even bus speeds. Anyone can argue any section of this totally informal test as invalid. The easiest is to claim that Discreet may not have optimzied the code for the PC version of the software but I just can't imagine that would be the case. If we assume that Discreet abides by the rules of capitolizm, then we have to assume that they put as much effort as attempting to build a quality product on each platform. If this is even remotely true, then the results certainly support the idea that the PPC processing platform can really munge data... and FAST. okay, you platform biggots can flame amongst yourselves ;) -=dave ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
>> This thing looks really sweet for a frontend. Plus, you'd >> probably have better luck with your DVI connection to your >> HDTV with it too! >> ;-) >> > > Maybe, yes. That thought had crossed my mind. I'd have to do some > research to see how Mac's under OSX actually deal with Hi-def output in > general. The grass truly is greener on the wind0ze side in this > regard It's a display. Simple as that. Why should it be any more complex? -marc ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Werpy > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:53 PM > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:04:02 -0600, Steve Frank > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > > $500... > > > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > > > Dang, Steve, you beat me to it. > > This thing looks really sweet for a frontend. Plus, you'd > probably have better luck with your DVI connection to your > HDTV with it too! > ;-) > Maybe, yes. That thought had crossed my mind. I'd have to do some research to see how Mac's under OSX actually deal with Hi-def output in general. The grass truly is greener on the wind0ze side in this regard ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 03:36:45PM -0800, Chuck Rice wrote: > At 8:30 PM + 1/11/05, Eggert Thorlacius wrote: > >On 11.1.2005, at 20:18, Curtis Stanford wrote: > >>How does MythTV work on Mac OS X these days? > > > >Well, there seems to be a problem with running the 0.16 frontend on > >a wireless network (see my post from 3 days ago), but on Ethernet it > >works just fine. You'll need the DVI -> S-Video adaptor and the > >Keyspan Remote (or a bluetooth keyboard) and you're set. > > I would prefer to use the gyration remote keyboard and mouse. > >http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1554.html > > I have one and it is pretty nice, though a bit pricey. -Chuck- I bought one of these when my previous IR keyboard/thumbpad died: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3583824 It works at a greater distance than the cheaper RF keyboards/mice. Switching from a notebook-sized keyboard to a full-size 104-key keyboard is nice as well (everything is in the right place, unlike with some recent Microsoft and Logitech keyboards). The optical mouse is small enough that you can use it on the armrest of your favorite recliner. :-) I haven't tried doing anything with the bundled presentation controller (maybe it works with OpenOffice's presentation program as well as PowerPoint), but the keyboard and mouse work fine with Linux. (Make sure you have USB HID support available before you connect it...I suppose that would be a given on a Mac, but you probably aren't using it on x86 hardware. The receiver dongle plugs into a USB port.) _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden>What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? pgpe0cy6leh4k.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
The adapter most certainly doesn't "require" a G5. That's misinformation on Apple's part (I guess they need to update the product details). You'll also notice that it's listed as an accessory for the Mac mini AND even shown on the product detail pages for the Mac mini. It's just a DVI break-out box...there's nothing "magic" tied to the CPU. -marc On 1/12/05 9:12 AM, "Vincent K. Britton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That adapter says it requires a G5, the mini Mac has a G4. > > > -Original Message- > From: Marc Nicholas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:24 PM > To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org; Steve Frank > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini > > It has TV out. Just costs you $19 for the composite/S-Video adapter: > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearn > More > =M9267G/A > > -marc > > > On 1/11/05 3:04 PM, "Steve Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly >> wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box >> that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ >> $500... >> >> http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html >> >> ___ >> mythtv-users mailing list >> mythtv-users@mythtv.org >> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
That adapter says it requires a G5, the mini Mac has a G4. -Original Message- From: Marc Nicholas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:24 PM To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org; Steve Frank Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini It has TV out. Just costs you $19 for the composite/S-Video adapter: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearn More =M9267G/A -marc On 1/11/05 3:04 PM, "Steve Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
M-Audio make a relatively cheap USB 2.0 Dolby Digital dongle that works great with OSX. -marc On 1/11/05 6:27 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Err am I missing something, its got no SPDIF? > > Damm and now I'm really using myth the mini-itx just > can't keep up :( > > Lee > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Mac mini HD (was: Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini)
>> b. have enough power to decode hi-def streams? > > high end is a 1.4GHz G4 processor. i believe Apple requires a G5 for > Final Cut HD to run... i'm not sure if the G4 has enough oomph to > handle this. Final Cut Express HD says 1Ghz G4 or G5 for HD playback...so we'll just have to see how the Myth frontend fairs... -marc ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Wow! I hope MythTV runs on it because I want one and will get one. That remote control looks too cool. How does the 1.43GHz G4 cpu compare to Intel x86? ie. what is the approx. equivalent clock speed? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
This seems like how you would get 5.1 sound from it. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Transit-main.html On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:50:25 +0800, Tj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Frank wrote: > > >So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > >wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > >that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > >$500... > > > >http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > > > > It looks nice and attractive. But I'm new to Macs, does it do digital > out surround sound? > > If no, how do we get surround sound from it? Can we add on a Audigy USB > (can't remember the name)? Is the creative device supported by OS X? > > Regards. > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:46:54 -0600, Stephen Hocking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now if you can tweak to do digital out for the audio to HT receivers, > it'd be perfect. Hmm. The M-Audio Sonica does USB to optical out. It works great to get great audio from my IBook into my Onkyo 6.1 HT receiver. -- Ron Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:19:45 -0500, Tom Dombrosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do these systems: > > a. boot off a network (run as a diskless client)? > > b. have enough power to decode hi-def streams? All recent Macs can netboot (should even be possible from a Linux box - it'd have to serve an OS X boot disk, of course, but the netbooting protocol itself is platform agnostic). Not sure about running diskless, but I think it should be possible. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
At 8:30 PM + 1/11/05, Eggert Thorlacius wrote: On 11.1.2005, at 20:18, Curtis Stanford wrote: On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html It does do TV out with the available add-on converter. This would make a killer frontend! How does MythTV work on Mac OS X these days? Well, there seems to be a problem with running the 0.16 frontend on a wireless network (see my post from 3 days ago), but on Ethernet it works just fine. You'll need the DVI -> S-Video adaptor and the Keyspan Remote (or a bluetooth keyboard) and you're set. Eggert I would prefer to use the gyration remote keyboard and mouse. http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1554.html I have one and it is pretty nice, though a bit pricey. -Chuck- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
I am not sure how important the booting off the net thing is. I have read that this is a very quiet, like makes no noise. I want one (not necc for myth) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
At 4:19 PM -0500 1/11/05, Tom Dombrosky wrote: Do these systems: a. boot off a network (run as a diskless client)? Yes. The Mac OS is well known for running diskless. Schools use Diskless a lot. But with the included 40 or 80 GB drive, and as quiet as it is, you do not really need to. b. have enough power to decode hi-def streams? I can't wait to find out! I should know by the end of January. -Chuck- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Err am I missing something, its got no SPDIF? Damm and now I'm really using myth the mini-itx just can't keep up :( Lee ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
What about being able to play standard tv? On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:38:57 -0600, Steve Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Steve Frank wrote: > >> So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > >> wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > >> that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > >> $500... > >> > >> http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > > > Actually, there's an s-video/composite dongle available. And > > the page claims the DVI out works with DVI-equipped HDTVs. > > If it has the horsepower to decode HDTV, this could be a very > > interesting little box indeed. > > > > -Doug > > Well, it's a Radeon 9200, and a 1.25 Ghz proc (or the 1.43 if you > upgrade for $100). I wouldn't hold my breath on this being better at > HDTV, but it would be nice > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:19:45 -0500, Tom Dombrosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do these systems: > > a. boot off a network (run as a diskless client)? why? they will be extremely silent. they have the same harddrives that are in the Apple notebooks. to answer your question though, 'i dont know' :) > b. have enough power to decode hi-def streams? high end is a 1.4GHz G4 processor. i believe Apple requires a G5 for Final Cut HD to run... i'm not sure if the G4 has enough oomph to handle this. i've been meaning to ask a similar question; 'anybody using a PPC (either Linux or OS X) for a front end or back end?' 9 GMail Invites available Email me OFF-list only... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Now if you can tweak to do digital out for the audio to HT receivers, it'd be perfect. Hmm. Stephen -- "I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return"W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html It looks nice and attractive. But I'm new to Macs, does it do digital out surround sound? If no, how do we get surround sound from it? Can we add on a Audigy USB (can't remember the name)? Is the creative device supported by OS X? Regards. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Now there is a sexy frontend machine if I ever saw one!! TV output as well via a adapter! Nice!! :) Andrew Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Hugo van der Kooij wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Jesse Perkins wrote: Wow, and Christmas is so far away! Well In fact is no that far away. The arrow of time just happens to point the wrong way. Hugo. LOL! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Steve Frank wrote: >> So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly >> wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box >> that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ >> $500... >> >> http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > Actually, there's an s-video/composite dongle available. And > the page claims the DVI out works with DVI-equipped HDTVs. > If it has the horsepower to decode HDTV, this could be a very > interesting little box indeed. > > -Doug Well, it's a Radeon 9200, and a 1.25 Ghz proc (or the 1.43 if you upgrade for $100). I wouldn't hold my breath on this being better at HDTV, but it would be nice ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Do these systems: a. boot off a network (run as a diskless client)? b. have enough power to decode hi-def streams? Thanks. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Jesse Perkins wrote: > Wow, and Christmas is so far away! Well In fact is no that far away. The arrow of time just happens to point the wrong way. Hugo. -- I hate duplicates. Just reply to the relevant mailinglist. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of magicians, for they are subtle and quick to anger. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:04:02 -0600, Steve Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > Dang, Steve, you beat me to it. This thing looks really sweet for a frontend. Plus, you'd probably have better luck with your DVI connection to your HDTV with it too! ;-) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html Actually, there's an s-video/composite dongle available. And the page claims the DVI out works with DVI-equipped HDTVs. If it has the horsepower to decode HDTV, this could be a very interesting little box indeed. -Doug signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
Wow, and Christmas is so far away! On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:05 -0700, Curtis Stanford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Steve Frank wrote: > > > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > > $500... > > > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > > > It does do TV out with the available add-on converter. > This would make a killer frontend! > How does MythTV work on Mac OS X these days? > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > -- Jesse Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jperkins.homeip.net ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On 11.1.2005, at 20:18, Curtis Stanford wrote: On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html It does do TV out with the available add-on converter. This would make a killer frontend! How does MythTV work on Mac OS X these days? Well, there seems to be a problem with running the 0.16 frontend on a wireless network (see my post from 3 days ago), but on Ethernet it works just fine. You'll need the DVI -> S-Video adaptor and the Keyspan Remote (or a bluetooth keyboard) and you're set. Eggert ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Marc Nicholas wrote: > It has TV out. Just costs you $19 for the composite/S-Video adapter: > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?pr > oductLearnMore =M9267G/A > > -marc > > > On 1/11/05 3:04 PM, "Steve Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly >> wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box >> that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ >> $500... >> Yep, I caught that just after I sent my last message. The $79 option for wireless is a bit steep, but the Mac stuff always costs more on a per component level. There's going to be a LOT of uses for this box. I mean, the base unit is about $100 more than the cost they are discussing now for the Xbox 2 ($399 seems to be a potential price point, maybe more, based on what I've been reading. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
You actually will be able to hook it into a TV. Apple DVI to Video Adapter Plug Mac mini into the S-video or composite video port of your TV or stereo receiver to view your slideshows and movies anywhere in the house. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9267G/A On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:04:02 -0600, Steve Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore =TB638LL/A W00t! I'm saving my pennies already... -marc On 1/11/05 3:04 PM, "Steve Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:04:02 -0600, Steve Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html heehee, poor Apple. they're getting hammered right now. :) the mini does look pretty cool. it's a quarter as tall as the mac Cube and about 3x more powerful. pretty slick. it might even make a decent FE/BE system if you couple it with ElGatos EyeTv capture devices (http://www.elgato.com/eyetv/). 9 GMail Invites available Email me OFF-list only... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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It has TV out. Just costs you $19 for the composite/S-Video adapter: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore =M9267G/A -marc On 1/11/05 3:04 PM, "Steve Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Steve Frank wrote: > So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly > wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box > that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ > $500... > > http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html Heh. Hasta la bye-bye, mini-ITX server box. This one runs iTunes. :> Drew -- Drew Bernat__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | http://www.zathras.net | | ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
On Jan 11, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Steve Frank wrote: So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html It does do TV out with the available add-on converter. This would make a killer frontend! How does MythTV work on Mac OS X these days? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] New Mac Mini
So, who wants one of these as a MythTV front end? I certainly wouldno TV-out, mind you, but otherwise a 2" X 6.5" X 6.5" box that's sleek, does Mac OSX Panther, is nearly silent, and 1.25Ghz @ $500... http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
