[mythtv-users] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters
Michael Obster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gavin Hurlbut wrote: OK. Your attitude smells like a cattle farm. What the hell is wrong with your software my ass. How about you learn to debug? Oh, and to read the documentation. I'm pretty sure the DVB stuff has been documented on the mailing list if nowhere else. If nothing else, you could tone down that attitude. Thats pity that you react in this way. I talked with lots of people who had also problems like me. I think it's quite normal that you get such reactions when users are frustrated because they did read documentation, they did read many forums, they did try to get help from the mailing list. But the problem still exists. This is not helpful. Hmmm. I didn't see any of that in your original post, just you having a problem and then flying off the handle about it. Attitude makes a big difference. As for reading GCC Documentation, what about it? Did you ever think that maybe... just maybe... the build environment might be optimizing for the specific platform you are compiling on? Jeez. Thats the point. There are many build kits out which do optimization for specific architectures. For example look at Gentoo or ROCK Linux. The build system optimizes the complete build environment for a selected cpu. The only exception on x86 is pentium 4, because this is still experimental *g*. Blah blah blah. You were complaining that it does optimizations based on platform, now you're saying it's a good thing. Make up your mind. And as always in the world of open source software, you are welcome to change it, but it may not ever get reflected in the official source tree. MythTV Version CVS from 2004-12-14 maybe you should update this before spewing... That's over a month old. I will try that, even that the problem should not be this version, because the maintainer of this package tests it on his platform before. Only a database setup routine can be (because I don't think he is setting up his database from the beginning...) I will report if it is working or not. Perhaps sending some patches :-). Figuring the DVB patch went into CVS recently, I'd expect it will change. gcc: 3.4.2 And gcc 3.4.x has issues with a lot of code. Maybe that's part of your problem too? Not at all. It is working very well. The only big bug is in its lexer (I would fix it if I know how, but it is not trivil to fix :-( ). So some ANSI C will not compile :-(. But with some additional brackets the code works. And works better than 3.3.x or 3.2.x (sounds interesting...) :-). Blah. It will not compile some ANSI C (which is **BASIC** functionality) and you say it works better? Jeez. P.S.: Please don't interpret every line as personal attack. That was not my intention. I only want to wake you up, because my and a lot of other peoples first impression of your software is not very good. It is more for an article in the german Linux Magazin, how software should not be! No I will not write such one, because I don't know as much as I need for writing that for the moment. I hope more if I write such an article in the future that you get some helpful development power to get your software much better than today ;-). So it will be a more positive one ;-). First off, it's not my software. Secondly, bitching and complaining when you obviously haven't done your research (such as reading the -dev mailing list to see that the DVB Patch had been committed to CVS), and haven't kept current with CVS... That's not a problem with the software. That's a problem with the user. MythTV works marvelously for many people. With thousands of success stories and a handful of people who can't get it working, that tells me the issue is likely not confined to the software itself. Have a nice day Gavin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters
Michael Obster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hell is wrong with your software. Also I have found a -march=pentiumpro. PLEASE READ GCC DOCUMENTATION! This cannot work on platforms like PowerPC for example. Is also contraproductive for optimize on the different IA32 cpus! OK. Your attitude smells like a cattle farm. What the hell is wrong with your software my ass. How about you learn to debug? Oh, and to read the documentation. I'm pretty sure the DVB stuff has been documented on the mailing list if nowhere else. If nothing else, you could tone down that attitude. As for reading GCC Documentation, what about it? Did you ever think that maybe... just maybe... the build environment might be optimizing for the specific platform you are compiling on? Jeez. MythTV Version CVS from 2004-12-14 maybe you should update this before spewing... That's over a month old. gcc: 3.4.2 And gcc 3.4.x has issues with a lot of code. Maybe that's part of your problem too? Hoping for some help. I doubt you'll get much help when you bellow and insult. Have a nice day Gavin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Gavin Hurlbut wrote: OK. Your attitude smells like a cattle farm. Please do not insult cattle by implying them here. ;-) Hugo. -- I hate duplicates. Just reply to the relevant mailinglist. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hvdkooij.xs4all.nl/ Don't meddle in the affairs of magicians, for they are subtle and quick to anger. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters
Hi, Gavin Hurlbut wrote: OK. Your attitude smells like a cattle farm. What the hell is wrong with your software my ass. How about you learn to debug? Oh, and to read the documentation. I'm pretty sure the DVB stuff has been documented on the mailing list if nowhere else. If nothing else, you could tone down that attitude. Thats pity that you react in this way. I talked with lots of people who had also problems like me. I think it's quite normal that you get such reactions when users are frustrated because they did read documentation, they did read many forums, they did try to get help from the mailing list. But the problem still exists. This is not helpful. As for reading GCC Documentation, what about it? Did you ever think that maybe... just maybe... the build environment might be optimizing for the specific platform you are compiling on? Jeez. Thats the point. There are many build kits out which do optimization for specific architectures. For example look at Gentoo or ROCK Linux. The build system optimizes the complete build environment for a selected cpu. The only exception on x86 is pentium 4, because this is still experimental *g*. If you look at the assembler output ,gcc creates, there is much difference between the different platforms. For example parallel working on cpu registers, using SSE, using 3dnow or mmx and so on. Also a speed up is between this different optimization. This features are in the gcc documentation for example ;-). A hardcoded -march=pentiumpro does not recognizes such things, even I know qmake is a little bit tricky here. Personally I prefer autotools for building software. So to get an optimal optimization, it is better to let the build determine which option is needed ;-). MythTV Version CVS from 2004-12-14 maybe you should update this before spewing... That's over a month old. I will try that, even that the problem should not be this version, because the maintainer of this package tests it on his platform before. Only a database setup routine can be (because I don't think he is setting up his database from the beginning...) I will report if it is working or not. Perhaps sending some patches :-). gcc: 3.4.2 And gcc 3.4.x has issues with a lot of code. Maybe that's part of your problem too? Not at all. It is working very well. The only big bug is in its lexer (I would fix it if I know how, but it is not trivil to fix :-( ). So some ANSI C will not compile :-(. But with some additional brackets the code works. And works better than 3.3.x or 3.2.x (sounds interesting...) :-). Hoping for some help. Still hoping. I will try a newer CVS from 2005-01-26 perhaps this solves the problem. I let me suprise ;-). Cheers, Michael Obster P.S.: Please don't interpret every line as personal attack. That was not my intention. I only want to wake you up, because my and a lot of other peoples first impression of your software is not very good. It is more for an article in the german Linux Magazin, how software should not be! No I will not write such one, because I don't know as much as I need for writing that for the moment. I hope more if I write such an article in the future that you get some helpful development power to get your software much better than today ;-). So it will be a more positive one ;-). ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Problems using MythTV - errors with channel parameters
Hi, Hugo van der Kooij wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Gavin Hurlbut wrote: OK. Your attitude smells like a cattle farm. Please do not insult cattle by implying them here. ;-) Perhaps it was my bavarian charm what he smells. ;-) Cheers, Michael Obster P.S.: Sorry. I can't resist... ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
