Re: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions

2005-12-24 Thread joe byrne
Thanks for all of the input, guys. I think I'm all set.

On 12/22/05, casey dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 12/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I also ran into problems on reboot with this card.  For lack of a better
 term, it had to warm-up a few minutes before starting the backend service,
 otherwise it would fail to tune in to the start-up channel, blank out the
 start-up channel and fail to start again until I ran mythtvsetup and put a
 start-up channel again.  Apparently this is a problem with these first
 generation air2pc cards.

Ugh.  Let's hope I don't run into this.  I've noticed surfing livetv
that it occasionally gives up.

 Yea, that can be a pain, doesn't happen to me on every reboot but every so
 often it stops recording.  Also I have to copy the firmware into
 /lib/firmware/[kernel version] because it's not incuded from the packager.

I don't think I encountered this problem.

JB
Thanks for all of the input.
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Re: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions

2005-12-22 Thread Mercury Morris
On 12/22/05, joe byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just installed an air2pc card (the version with the bcm3510) torecord atsc OTA.It coexists with an ivtv card and a bttv card, whichboth record OTA.Yes, I like variety.I'm running mythtv 18.1installed from rpms on FC4 witha 
2.6.14 kernel. I'm in the US anduse zap2it.I have some really basic questions:* Do I need a second zap2it line-up for the ota-hdtv input?
I'll answer the second zap2it line-up question.

Yes, a second line-up with only digital channels is a good idea.
I use a second zipcode, not adjacent but close enough, create the
zap2it lineup and assign it to the HD3000 and HD5000 cards.
MythTV is clever enough to make the listings show separately for analog
and digital channels.

One extra thing I had to do manually was to provide the XMLTVID's for
the digital channels by going into mythtv-setup - Channel Editor
and typing them in. The XMLTVID's can be found various ways, but
one easy way is to use the website http://zap2it.com. When the
listings come up, I click on 

 CLICK HERE TO VIEW YOUR LOCAL DIGITAL STATIONS

and then hold the mouse over the call letters at the left side of the
screen. The XMLTVID's will show up, either under the mouse, or at
the bottom of the screen.
-- 
MM

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Re: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions

2005-12-22 Thread casey dunn
On 12/22/05, joe byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just installed an air2pc card (the version with the bcm3510) torecord atsc OTA.It coexists with an ivtv card and a bttv card, whichboth record OTA.Yes, I like variety.I'm running mythtv 18.1installed from rpms on FC4 witha 
2.6.14 kernel. I'm in the US anduse zap2it.I have some really basic questions:* Do I need a second zap2it line-up for the ota-hdtv input?
Further down you say you've got the HDTV line up allready? 
* Some of the digital channels duplicate analog channels.Is there away to equate the two?
E.g., I have an analog channel 7 and a digitalchannel with the same programming.
I would guess, set the HD channel to a higher priority or delete the analog channel.
* Is there a way to equate zap2it digital channels with the underscore(e.g. 7_1) with the channels added by scanning w/o the underscore
(e.g. 71)?
Set their XMLTV id's to the same number in channel setup.
* Some of the digital channel numbers duplicate analog channelnumbers, but carry different programming.
E.g., I have a digitalchannel 11 (identified by scanning) and an analog channel 11 that seemto be completely unrelated.Will this cause a problem?
No, myth know's the difference. 
* I plan to transcode recorded digital programs. Will digital programsin both 16:9 and 4:3 aspect ratios come out looking right given a
single set of transcode parameters?
Transcoding appears to not add an aspect ratio flag to it's output files.
 Likewise, will interlaced andnoninterlaced content get transcoded to something that looks OK.
Right now, straight off the air one of the two looks pretty cruddywhen watching live tv.
I have no idea, I don't use live TV. 

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Re: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions

2005-12-22 Thread
- Original Message -
From: joe byrne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12/22/2005 3:02:35 AM
To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org
Subject: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions


 I just installed an air2pc card (the version with the bcm3510) to
 record atsc OTA.  It coexists with an ivtv card and a bttv card, which
 both record OTA.  Yes, I like variety.  I'm running mythtv 18.1
 installed from rpms on FC4 with  a 2.6.14 kernel. I'm in the US and
 use zap2it.

I have the same card and recently set it up on a slave backend with FC4 and 
atrpms according to Jarod's guide.

 
 I have some really basic questions:
 * Do I need a second zap2it line-up for the ota-hdtv input?
 * Some of the digital channels duplicate analog channels.  Is there a
 way to equate the two?  E.g., I have an analog channel 7 and a digital
 channel with the same programming.
 * Is there a way to equate zap2it digital channels with the underscore
 (e.g. 7_1) with the channels added by scanning w/o the underscore
 (e.g. 71)?
 * Some of the digital channel numbers duplicate analog channel
 numbers, but carry different programming.  E.g., I have a digital
 channel 11 (identified by scanning) and an analog channel 11 that seem
 to be completely unrelated.  Will this cause a problem?

It took me awhile to wrap my head around this problem, but this suggestion from 
the linuxtv list worked for me:

http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2005-February/000342.html

The scanned hdtv channels from mythtvsetup have the tuning information and the 
zap2it hdtv channels have the program guide info.  I would kill the backend 
before doing this.  After matching the scanned channels to the corresponding 
zap2it channels, I copied serviceid, mplexid, and atscsrcid from the scanned 
channel to the zap2it channel in the channel table in the database.  Instead of 
hiding the scanned channels as the post suggests, I just deleted them, leaving 
the zap2it channels (5_1, 5_2, 17_1, etc.)  Be sure to set a starting channel 
for the card to one that exists in mythtvsetup.  I also changed the type for 
each zap2it channel to atsc in mythtvsetup - channel settings, since I was 
using a cable type as the default for the global backend setting.

That should leave you with your old analog channels and hdtv channels.  I find 
it is good to have both for the same stations, in case my air2pc card is tied 
up recording another show I can still record another channel in analog.  Myth 
just treats them as separate channels and knows which card to use.
  
I also ran into problems on reboot with this card.  For lack of a better term, 
it had to warm-up a few minutes before starting the backend service, 
otherwise it would fail to tune in to the start-up channel, blank out the 
start-up channel and fail to start again until I ran mythtvsetup and put a 
start-up channel again.  Apparently this is a problem with these first 
generation air2pc cards.

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Re: [mythtv-users] basic ota hdtv questions

2005-12-22 Thread casey dunn
On 12/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also ran into problems on reboot with this card.For lack of a better term, it had to warm-up a few minutes before starting the backend service, otherwise it would fail to tune in to the start-up channel, blank out the start-up channel and fail to start again until I ran mythtvsetup and put a start-up channel again.Apparently this is a problem with these first generation air2pc cards.
Yea, that can be a pain, doesn't happen to me on every reboot but every so often it stops recording. Also I have to copy the firmware into /lib/firmware/[kernel version] because it's not incuded from the packager.

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