[mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Thanks, Dylan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. What you need to do is go into the Channel Editor (either in mythtv-setup or mythweb) and change the channel number. In my case I have channel 7 (pvr250 connected to directv), channel 7-1 (wintv-go OTA NTSC) and 7HD (pchdtv 3K). I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Set the recording priority higher for the channels the 150 receives, setup tv settings recording priorities channels priorities Thanks, Dylan Howard ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Howard Cokl wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. What you need to do is go into the Channel Editor (either in mythtv-setup or mythweb) and change the channel number. In my case I have channel 7 (pvr250 connected to directv), channel 7-1 (wintv-go OTA NTSC) and 7HD (pchdtv 3K). Instead of creating additional channel 7s, couldn't you just leave the single channel 7, since they are the same source, and just increase the priority of the PVR-150? I would assume this would use the 150 first for channels that are available on it, and still use the 250s if there was a conflict. -Michael ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Howard Cokl wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. What you need to do is go into the Channel Editor (either in mythtv-setup or mythweb) and change the channel number. In my case I have channel 7 (pvr250 connected to directv), channel 7-1 (wintv-go OTA NTSC) and 7HD (pchdtv 3K). You can also drop channel 7 in zap2it from the PVR-250 lineup so that there is only one channel 7 since the other channel 7 has such bad reception anyways. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Dylan Keon wrote: My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. The one marked 7 DSCP and shows MythBusters is Discovery, the one that says 7 PBS and has Nova is PBS. Oddly, this is the second time this has come up recently. If you schedule MythBusters, it won't bust myth and record Nova by mistake =). After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. Correct. By design. If the channel number and callsign are the same, it does not show both. I have NBC on 3 for analog and on 3 and 123 digital (chanids 1003, 2003 and 2123 respectively). The EPG shows one line for NBC on 3 rather than two identical lines next to each other but does have another line for 123. If another input had station KRAP on 3 (3003), the EPG would include both channel 3 stations. I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? This has all been solved long ago. You actually have some choices... I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Myth treats two channels with the same callsign as being the same station and are interchangeable. Which channel is used for a show on that station is deterministic. If all else is equal, by default the scheduler will choose the lowest numbered input that has that station available. There is also an option on the mythtv-setup Input connections page for Input preference. If you set this one higher than the others, that tells the scheduler that it is better to record from this input whenever possible rather than to record from the other inputs. There is a subtle difference with Input preference vs just relying on the lowest input number winning. Say you have your antenna input first (probably not right now because you added it last) and there is a high priority show at 7 and a lower priority show at 7 and 10 on a channel that is available on both sources. If the input preference is the same, the high priority show will record at 7 on antenna and the lower will record at 7 on the channel from the other source. If you raise the input preference for the antenna input, it would record the high priority show at 7 and the lower priority show at 10 when it can fit it on the preferred input. If there was another conflict at 10 then it would again use the other source at 7. So, you could redo your cards and inputs so that antenna is first but if the signal is actually better, I'd suggest leaving your card setup as is and just setting the input preference to 1 so that it will always try to get the clearest recordings for you. Way too much info is at: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.7 -- bjm ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Kevin Kuphal wrote: Howard Cokl wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. What you need to do is go into the Channel Editor (either in mythtv-setup or mythweb) and change the channel number. In my case I have channel 7 (pvr250 connected to directv), channel 7-1 (wintv-go OTA NTSC) and 7HD (pchdtv 3K). You can also drop channel 7 in zap2it from the PVR-250 lineup so that there is only one channel 7 since the other channel 7 has such bad reception anyways. Sorry for the self reply. Ignore my response. I missed the part where you said that 7 was different stations on different sources. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
On 08/10/2005 12:11 PM, Kevin Kuphal wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: Howard Cokl wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. What you need to do is go into the Channel Editor (either in mythtv-setup or mythweb) and change the channel number. In my case I have channel 7 (pvr250 connected to directv), channel 7-1 (wintv-go OTA NTSC) and 7HD (pchdtv 3K). You can also drop channel 7 in zap2it from the PVR-250 lineup so that there is only one channel 7 since the other channel 7 has such bad reception anyways. Sorry for the self reply. Ignore my response. I missed the part where you said that 7 was different stations on different sources. Heh, no problem. If you had said channel 9 you would be right :-) I may do some of this in addition to configuring Input Preference. --Dylan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
On 08/10/2005 12:01 PM, Bruce Markey wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. The one marked 7 DSCP and shows MythBusters is Discovery, the one that says 7 PBS and has Nova is PBS. Oddly, this is the second time this has come up recently. If you schedule MythBusters, it won't bust myth and record Nova by mistake =). Ok, good :-) After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. Correct. By design. If the channel number and callsign are the same, it does not show both. I have NBC on 3 for analog and on 3 and 123 digital (chanids 1003, 2003 and 2123 respectively). The EPG shows one line for NBC on 3 rather than two identical lines next to each other but does have another line for 123. If another input had station KRAP on 3 (3003), the EPG would include both channel 3 stations. Nice callsign ;-) I just took a peek via mythweb and I can see that my EPG is also arranged as you described. I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? This has all been solved long ago. You actually have some choices... I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Myth treats two channels with the same callsign as being the same station and are interchangeable. Which channel is used for a show on that station is deterministic. If all else is equal, by default the scheduler will choose the lowest numbered input that has that station available. Ahhh, this is good to know. There is also an option on the mythtv-setup Input connections page for Input preference. If you set this one higher than the others, that tells the scheduler that it is better to record from this input whenever possible rather than to record from the other inputs. Great, I think this is what I need! There is a subtle difference with Input preference vs just relying on the lowest input number winning. Say you have your antenna input first (probably not right now because you added it last) and there is a high priority show at 7 and a lower priority show at 7 and 10 on a channel that is available on both sources. If the input preference is the same, the high priority show will record at 7 on antenna and the lower will record at 7 on the channel from the other source. If you raise the input preference for the antenna input, it would record the high priority show at 7 and the lower priority show at 10 when it can fit it on the preferred input. If there was another conflict at 10 then it would again use the other source at 7. When I installed the PVR-150 it appeared as /dev/video0 so I believe it is the lowest input number. I had to edit the PVR-250s in mythtv-setup since they are now /dev/video1 and /dev/video2. Great example. Regarding the scenario where the same show is airing at 7:00 and 10:00 on a channel available to both sources - how far into the future would myth look to make sure a show gets recorded on the preferred input? How aggressively does myth do this? For example, you wrote that the show wouldn't be recorded until 10:00 so that the preferred input could be used. Would myth look forward as far as a week to find a slot when the show could be recorded on the preferred input? If that's the case I would rather just have it record on the other source so I could have it available sooner. So, you could redo your cards and inputs so that antenna is first but if the signal is actually better, I'd suggest leaving your card setup as is and just setting the input preference to 1 so that it will always try to get the clearest recordings for you. Way too much info is at: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.7 Since the PVR-150 is already the lowest input number perhaps I don't need to define an input preference. I'll have to do some testing. Bruce, thanks a million for your detailed response. This is very helpful information. Shuffling off now to read the howto --Dylan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Dylan Keon wrote: On 08/10/2005 12:01 PM, Bruce Markey wrote: Dylan Keon wrote: My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. The one marked 7 DSCP and shows MythBusters is Discovery, the one that says 7 PBS and has Nova is PBS. Oddly, this is the second time this has come up recently. If you schedule MythBusters, it won't bust myth and record Nova by mistake =). Ok, good :-) After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. Correct. By design. If the channel number and callsign are the same, it does not show both. I have NBC on 3 for analog and on 3 and 123 digital (chanids 1003, 2003 and 2123 respectively). The EPG shows one line for NBC on 3 rather than two identical lines next to each other but does have another line for 123. If another input had station KRAP on 3 (3003), the EPG would include both channel 3 stations. Nice callsign ;-) I just took a peek via mythweb and I can see that my EPG is also arranged as you described. I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? This has all been solved long ago. You actually have some choices... I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Myth treats two channels with the same callsign as being the same station and are interchangeable. Which channel is used for a show on that station is deterministic. If all else is equal, by default the scheduler will choose the lowest numbered input that has that station available. Ahhh, this is good to know. There is also an option on the mythtv-setup Input connections page for Input preference. If you set this one higher than the others, that tells the scheduler that it is better to record from this input whenever possible rather than to record from the other inputs. Great, I think this is what I need! There is a subtle difference with Input preference vs just relying on the lowest input number winning. Say you have your antenna input first (probably not right now because you added it last) and there is a high priority show at 7 and a lower priority show at 7 and 10 on a channel that is available on both sources. If the input preference is the same, the high priority show will record at 7 on antenna and the lower will record at 7 on the channel from the other source. If you raise the input preference for the antenna input, it would record the high priority show at 7 and the lower priority show at 10 when it can fit it on the preferred input. If there was another conflict at 10 then it would again use the other source at 7. When I installed the PVR-150 it appeared as /dev/video0 so I believe it is the lowest input number. I had to edit the PVR-250s in mythtv-setup since they are now /dev/video1 and /dev/video2. Oh, that's the device number. This has confused the heck out if other people if the new card got /dev/video0 and the old device was bumped up. However, I was referring to the myth DB config mythconverg.cardinput.cardinputid. This is determined by the order that you entered your card information through mythtv-setup. Great example. Regarding the scenario where the same show is airing at 7:00 and 10:00 on a channel available to both sources - how far into the future would myth look to make sure a show gets recorded on the preferred input? How aggressively does myth do this? For example, you For all the listings you currenly have. Usually a little less than two weeks. wrote that the show wouldn't be recorded until 10:00 so that the preferred input could be used. Would myth look forward as far as a week to find a slot when the show could be recorded on the preferred input? In practice this rarely happens. Either a network primetime show is shown only one time or a cable show is repeated several times (possibly a dozen or more times). It is very rare that a second showing is any more than two or three days away. If that's the case I would rather just have it record on the other source so I could have it available sooner. Right, and you can always do this. If the scheduler chooses
Re: [mythtv-users] is this possible (multiple tuners and sources)
Dylan, I'm doing the same thing with an HD3000 and Firewire. For channels that overlap both sources (and therefore both capture cards) Myth seems to always want to record on whichever tuner you added first. Sounds like you want to add your PVR-150 first so that overlapping channels would get recorded on it preferentially. By the way, in my setup I can't watch live TV on any of the channels on the second tuner. When I try to change channels to one of them my backend doesn't budge, as if it's an invalid channel. Have you gotten this to work? - Don Dylan Keon wrote: I have a working MythTV system (FC3, ATRPMS) with two PVR-250s. I added a PVR-150 tonight, upgraded to the latest kernel and ivtv 0.3.6w, and I can get video via the PVR-150 (no sound, though). My goal is to have the two PVR-250s record analog cable (already working), and the PVR-150 record OTA broadcast signals via my rooftop antenna since the reception of local channels stinks on our analog cable. I set up a new video source called antenna and configured a new local broadcast channel listing for my area at zap2it. However, it's not clear to me how this will get handled in the EPG. For example, channel 7 on analog cable is Discovery, while channel 7 on broadcast is PBS. After running mythfilldatabase these both appear in the EPG, but where channels are the same (i.e., channel 9 is the same station on both cable and OTA), there is only one entry in the EPG. I want local channels to be recorded on the PVR-150 by default, using the local broadcast channel listing unless there is a conflict, in which case they would get recorded on one of the PVR-250s. Cable-only channels would always get recorded on the PVR-250s. Is all of this (or any of this) possible? I could just delete the duplicate broadcast channels from the cable lineup, but then that would eliminate the possibility of using the cable as a backup to resolve conflicts. Thanks, Dylan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
