Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 3:38 pm, Michael J. Lynch wrote: > Ummm...you know the PVR-500 is not yet supported right? Yup, yet. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Paul Miller wrote: On Wednesday 29 December 2004 2:43 pm, Kevin Kuphal wrote: The graphics card is very important. You haven't mentioned what kind of hardware you're using other than the relatively slow P2-450. Please post your specs, driver versions, etc. related to your video hardware. I don't see how the graphics adaptor makes a significant difference when I'm only navigating the menus -- not watching tv or a dvd. The computer I'm testing mythtv on is a p2-450 (386 MB) with a nVidia RIVA TNT2 (32 MB) graphics adaptor. I'm running XFree86 4.3.0 from Debian's current sid distribution with the nv driver. This box acts as a small server and I never intended on using it with mythtv. I'm just using it to test mythtv while I'm home for the holidays. In a week or so, I'm switching to another computer. It's a p3-800 (512 MB) with an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro AIW (128 MB) and I'll probably use ATI's binary driver with the same version of XFree86. I have a PVR-500 on order and I'm hoping to use a DVI->HDMI cable to connect to my HDTV. That does seem like "lightweight" hardware for running this kind of system, but that being said I have a P3-450 + GeForce 4 MX440 that I use as a frontend that has none of the performance problems you're seeing so I'm suspecting that you are running fairly unoptimtized. The graphics card certainly matters even for the menus. If you start mythfrontend from a console window with --verbose all enabled, what kind of messages do you see? Have you done xvinfo? What output does that show? Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Ummm...you know the PVR-500 is not yet supported right? Paul Miller wrote: On Wednesday 29 December 2004 2:43 pm, Kevin Kuphal wrote: The graphics card is very important. You haven't mentioned what kind of hardware you're using other than the relatively slow P2-450. Please post your specs, driver versions, etc. related to your video hardware. I don't see how the graphics adaptor makes a significant difference when I'm only navigating the menus -- not watching tv or a dvd. The computer I'm testing mythtv on is a p2-450 (386 MB) with a nVidia RIVA TNT2 (32 MB) graphics adaptor. I'm running XFree86 4.3.0 from Debian's current sid distribution with the nv driver. This box acts as a small server and I never intended on using it with mythtv. I'm just using it to test mythtv while I'm home for the holidays. In a week or so, I'm switching to another computer. It's a p3-800 (512 MB) with an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro AIW (128 MB) and I'll probably use ATI's binary driver with the same version of XFree86. I have a PVR-500 on order and I'm hoping to use a DVI->HDMI cable to connect to my HDTV. -Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 2:43 pm, Kevin Kuphal wrote: > The graphics card is very important. You haven't mentioned what > kind of hardware you're using other than the relatively slow > P2-450. Please post your specs, driver versions, etc. related to > your video hardware. I don't see how the graphics adaptor makes a significant difference when I'm only navigating the menus -- not watching tv or a dvd. The computer I'm testing mythtv on is a p2-450 (386 MB) with a nVidia RIVA TNT2 (32 MB) graphics adaptor. I'm running XFree86 4.3.0 from Debian's current sid distribution with the nv driver. This box acts as a small server and I never intended on using it with mythtv. I'm just using it to test mythtv while I'm home for the holidays. In a week or so, I'm switching to another computer. It's a p3-800 (512 MB) with an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro AIW (128 MB) and I'll probably use ATI's binary driver with the same version of XFree86. I have a PVR-500 on order and I'm hoping to use a DVI->HDMI cable to connect to my HDTV. -Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 12:26 pm, James Armstrong wrote: > Do you know if you have any channel icons assigned in the database? > I had this problem and it was because the icon files were missing > and it took 4 attempts and a few seconds for myth to give up when > trying to load the images. I just created a new database and there are no channel icons. I checked the channel database using mysqlcc. All 222 channels have the icon set to None. -Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Paul Miller wrote: I just tried mythtv with no window manager and I did notice a slight improvement, but it is still quite a bit slower than I'd like... Going through the program guide is very slow. Launching the weather plugin takes about 20 seconds and another 10 seconds for retrieving the weather data. How much does the graphics card effect performance for menu-only functions (no tv, dvd, etc.)? The menus display quickly, but take awhile to switch to another menu. The graphics card is very important. You haven't mentioned what kind of hardware you're using other than the relatively slow P2-450. Please post your specs, driver versions, etc. related to your video hardware. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
On Wednesday 29 December 2004 8:32 am, Bruce Smith wrote: > Also, if you're running an nvidia card with twinview, the secondary > video output is unaccellerated. I got rid of twinview and my menus > speeded up a LOT. FWIW... Even switching between menus? Mine draw quickly, but are slow to respond when I switch to another menu by pressing enter on the icon. -Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
I just tried mythtv with no window manager and I did notice a slight improvement, but it is still quite a bit slower than I'd like... Going through the program guide is very slow. Launching the weather plugin takes about 20 seconds and another 10 seconds for retrieving the weather data. How much does the graphics card effect performance for menu-only functions (no tv, dvd, etc.)? The menus display quickly, but take awhile to switch to another menu. -Paul On Wednesday 29 December 2004 10:05 am, Tom Dombrosky wrote: > You might want to try a lighter window manager. I use fluxbox on > my Myth frontend and it works great. It doesn't have a lot of the > bloat that kde has. It might help you if kde is using up all your > memory. > > Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Do you know if you have any channel icons assigned in the database? I had this problem and it was because the icon files were missing and it took 4 attempts and a few seconds for myth to give up when trying to load the images. - James Paul Miller wrote: Plastik at 1024x768... everything is local. I would like to be able to hold the arrow down/right button and rapidly scroll through the tv listings. Right now, it takes about 0.5-1.5 seconds to move the selection box, 1-3 seconds to move down past the end of a page, and 2-7 seconds to move right past the end of the page. I think it's much slower than TiVo on my p2-450MHz... -Paul On Wednesday 29 December 2004 3:19 am, Herman Kuiper wrote: I turned off the transparencies and changed the draw method from Fill to None, and did not notice any difference in response time. What resolution are you running on, and with what theme? There was a thread recently that some themes have rather huge memory requirements when not running in the default resolution. Also, I'm running over NFS, and found that the number of stat calls for theme files was slowing down the menus quite a bit... Herman - Herman Kuiper - m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://www.frontier.nl Beech Ave 162 - 1119 PS Schiphol-Rijk - t/f: 020-6589034/6142816 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Plastik at 1024x768... everything is local. I would like to be able to hold the arrow down/right button and rapidly scroll through the tv listings. Right now, it takes about 0.5-1.5 seconds to move the selection box, 1-3 seconds to move down past the end of a page, and 2-7 seconds to move right past the end of the page. I think it's much slower than TiVo on my p2-450MHz... -Paul On Wednesday 29 December 2004 3:19 am, Herman Kuiper wrote: > > I turned off the transparencies and changed the draw method from > > Fill to None, and did not notice any difference in response time. > > What resolution are you running on, and with what theme? There was > a thread recently that some themes have rather huge memory > requirements when not running in the default resolution. > > Also, I'm running over NFS, and found that the number of stat calls > for theme files was slowing down the menus quite a bit... > > Herman > > - > Herman Kuiper - m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://www.frontier.nl > Beech Ave 162 - 1119 PS Schiphol-Rijk - t/f: 020-6589034/6142816 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
You might want to try a lighter window manager. I use fluxbox on my Myth frontend and it works great. It doesn't have a lot of the bloat that kde has. It might help you if kde is using up all your memory. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
> > I turned off the transparencies and changed the draw method from > > Fill to None, and did not notice any difference in response time. > > What resolution are you running on, and with what theme? There was a thread > recently that some themes have rather huge memory requirements when not > running in the default resolution. > > Also, I'm running over NFS, and found that the number of stat calls for > theme files was slowing down the menus quite a bit... Also, if you're running an nvidia card with twinview, the secondary video output is unaccellerated. I got rid of twinview and my menus speeded up a LOT. FWIW... - BS ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
I turned off the transparencies and changed the draw method from Fill to None, and did not notice any difference in response time. What resolution are you running on, and with what theme? There was a thread recently that some themes have rather huge memory requirements when not running in the default resolution. Also, I'm running over NFS, and found that the number of stat calls for theme files was slowing down the menus quite a bit... Herman - Herman Kuiper - m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w: http://www.frontier.nl Beech Ave 162 - 1119 PS Schiphol-Rijk - t/f: 020-6589034/6142816 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
I turned off the transparencies and changed the draw method from Fill to None, and did not notice any difference in response time. I'm running MythTV on top of KDE while I test it (still in full screen mode). Would this make a difference? KDE works very well on this p2-450. Nothing in particular is running in the background. What speed computer are you running MythTV on? -Paul On Tuesday 28 December 2004 2:34 pm, nate s wrote: > Look in the frontend configuration. Somewhere in there there is > a setting for "menu drawing method." Change it to one of the > lower cpu useage ones. Trying to do something like > transparencies on a slow system with no video hardware is not an > easy thing. > > It's not a general myth problem, my menus are quite responsive. > > -Nate > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:29:36 -0500, Paul Miller > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just started evaluating MythTV on my old P2-450MHz system, > > which currently has no video hardware. Eventually, I hope to > > use my P3-800MHz with a PVR-500 card. Anyhow, I noticed right > > away that the menus are awfully slow. It takes a couple of > > seconds to move between different menus or even moving through > > the program guide. Can this be improved? I'm using Debian/sid > > with the Debian MythTV packages, and testing with the local > > keyboard. My original TiVo runs on a far less powerful system > > and has similar, if not better, performance. > > > > I would really like to see very snappy and responsive menus. > > One of my biggest complaints about digital cable/satelite and > > TiVo is that the moving through the menus is too slow. I hate > > having to wait for the system to respond after I've pressed a > > key. > > > > -Paul > > > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] menu speed
Look in the frontend configuration. Somewhere in there there is a setting for "menu drawing method." Change it to one of the lower cpu useage ones. Trying to do something like transparencies on a slow system with no video hardware is not an easy thing. It's not a general myth problem, my menus are quite responsive. -Nate On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:29:36 -0500, Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just started evaluating MythTV on my old P2-450MHz system, which > currently has no video hardware. Eventually, I hope to use my > P3-800MHz with a PVR-500 card. Anyhow, I noticed right away that > the menus are awfully slow. It takes a couple of seconds to move > between different menus or even moving through the program guide. > Can this be improved? I'm using Debian/sid with the Debian MythTV > packages, and testing with the local keyboard. My original TiVo > runs on a far less powerful system and has similar, if not better, > performance. > > I would really like to see very snappy and responsive menus. One of > my biggest complaints about digital cable/satelite and TiVo is that > the moving through the menus is too slow. I hate having to wait > for the system to respond after I've pressed a key. > > -Paul > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] menu speed
I just started evaluating MythTV on my old P2-450MHz system, which currently has no video hardware. Eventually, I hope to use my P3-800MHz with a PVR-500 card. Anyhow, I noticed right away that the menus are awfully slow. It takes a couple of seconds to move between different menus or even moving through the program guide. Can this be improved? I'm using Debian/sid with the Debian MythTV packages, and testing with the local keyboard. My original TiVo runs on a far less powerful system and has similar, if not better, performance. I would really like to see very snappy and responsive menus. One of my biggest complaints about digital cable/satelite and TiVo is that the moving through the menus is too slow. I hate having to wait for the system to respond after I've pressed a key. -Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
