Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions(Tivo)
I think I sort of understand what your doing... Let me see if I've got this right. You basically have one IC, a '74138', which has 8 output pins that control relays. You control which of the 8 relays are on or off by sending an octal number to the parallel port. The things I'm still hazy on are how exactly you wire it into the parallel port, and what you mean by a buffer between the 74138 and the relay. Also, for controlling it, is it as simple as echo "3" >> /dev/lp0 ? Thanks -Nate On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:48:06 +, travis eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > id have to find my little sheet, but basicly i used some '74138' ics and had > them connect to the D0-6 pins ( i think it was awhile ago i'd hvae to look > my digram) and then each out put from then 74138 ( each one has 3 in's and 8 > outs) connected to a buffer ( depending on the 74138 some need an inverter) > and each buffer had a relay, so all you would do was right a script that > sent a number to the parrele port ( usally has to be run as root) and the > port lights up certian Dx;s for the number ie. " 3 " would turn on D0,D1 and > then the 74138 would take that in and fire it's 3rd out put. if you > think you somewhat under stand this i can make a howto or something ( i just > have to find my dirgram of how i did this i build my deal like 2 years > about, it just sits tucked in it's little corner ) > > -travis > > >From: nate s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: nate s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Discussion about > >mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature > >Suggestions(Tivo) > >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:21:42 -0800 > > > >I've been wondering how exactly something like that would be done for > >some time. Not for the same reason; I was wondering if there might be > >some way to control a device, such as a AV switchbox, that does not > >have a remote, with relays, but I never really looked in to it. I'm > >curious to know how you did it. > > > >-Nate > > > > > >On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:27:14 +, travis eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > for my dish box i custom buildn't a deal and some software the deal > >was > > > a parrelle port device that accepted numbers 0-9 and then would fire a > >relay > > > (depnending on the number of course) and that relay had two 30 gaurge > >wires > > > running to the remote.. it works well very well, and yes it is a bit > > > primitive, but it works! if you want to try that you can email me, its > > > simple to build and the software is really basic. > > > -travis > > > > > > >From: Steve Bower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion about mythtv > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions > > > >(Tivo) > > > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:29:59 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > >Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of > > > >Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong > > > >Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects > >nor > > > >Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting > > > >Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the > > > >Kevin> Tivo. > > > > > > > >Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish > >box > > > >Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a > >bunch > > > >Kevin> of trashed recordings. > > > > > > > >Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any > > > >Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? > > > > > > > >Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a > > > >Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a > > > >Kevin> workaround. > > > > > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > > > > > >I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the > > > >same issu
Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo)
Steve Bower wrote: "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the Kevin> Tivo. Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch Kevin> of trashed recordings. Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a Kevin> workaround. Hi Kevin, I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been fiddling with it much recently. Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a "works everywhere" thing. Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? Steve. I have this exact problem also. I always wondered if we could detect something on the screen. It seems that there is always a dark background (going from memory) and a static blue box with text that says this channel is not activated and to call dish. - James ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions(Tivo)
id have to find my little sheet, but basicly i used some '74138' ics and had them connect to the D0-6 pins ( i think it was awhile ago i'd hvae to look my digram) and then each out put from then 74138 ( each one has 3 in's and 8 outs) connected to a buffer ( depending on the 74138 some need an inverter) and each buffer had a relay, so all you would do was right a script that sent a number to the parrele port ( usally has to be run as root) and the port lights up certian Dx;s for the number ie. " 3 " would turn on D0,D1 and then the 74138 would take that in and fire it's 3rd out put. if you think you somewhat under stand this i can make a howto or something ( i just have to find my dirgram of how i did this i build my deal like 2 years about, it just sits tucked in it's little corner ) -travis From: nate s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: nate s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions(Tivo) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:21:42 -0800 I've been wondering how exactly something like that would be done for some time. Not for the same reason; I was wondering if there might be some way to control a device, such as a AV switchbox, that does not have a remote, with relays, but I never really looked in to it. I'm curious to know how you did it. -Nate On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:27:14 +, travis eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for my dish box i custom buildn't a deal and some software the deal was > a parrelle port device that accepted numbers 0-9 and then would fire a relay > (depnending on the number of course) and that relay had two 30 gaurge wires > running to the remote.. it works well very well, and yes it is a bit > primitive, but it works! if you want to try that you can email me, its > simple to build and the software is really basic. > -travis > > >From: Steve Bower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion about mythtv > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions > >(Tivo) > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:29:59 -0500 > > > > > > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of > >Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong > >Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor > >Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting > >Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the > >Kevin> Tivo. > > > >Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box > >Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch > >Kevin> of trashed recordings. > > > >Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any > >Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? > > > >Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a > >Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a > >Kevin> workaround. > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > >I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the > >same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... > > > >I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been > >fiddling with it much recently. > > > >Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a > >"works everywhere" thing. > > > >Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner > >and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or > >compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? > > > > Steve. > >___ > >mythtv-users mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo)
I've been wondering how exactly something like that would be done for some time. Not for the same reason; I was wondering if there might be some way to control a device, such as a AV switchbox, that does not have a remote, with relays, but I never really looked in to it. I'm curious to know how you did it. -Nate On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:27:14 +, travis eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for my dish box i custom buildn't a deal and some software the deal was > a parrelle port device that accepted numbers 0-9 and then would fire a relay > (depnending on the number of course) and that relay had two 30 gaurge wires > running to the remote.. it works well very well, and yes it is a bit > primitive, but it works! if you want to try that you can email me, its > simple to build and the software is really basic. > -travis > > >From: Steve Bower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion about mythtv > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions > >(Tivo) > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:29:59 -0500 > > > > > > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of > >Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong > >Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor > >Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting > >Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the > >Kevin> Tivo. > > > >Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box > >Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch > >Kevin> of trashed recordings. > > > >Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any > >Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? > > > >Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a > >Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a > >Kevin> workaround. > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > >I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the > >same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... > > > >I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been > >fiddling with it much recently. > > > >Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a > >"works everywhere" thing. > > > >Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner > >and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or > >compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? > > > > Steve. > >___ > >mythtv-users mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo)
for my dish box i custom buildn't a deal and some software the deal was a parrelle port device that accepted numbers 0-9 and then would fire a relay (depnending on the number of course) and that relay had two 30 gaurge wires running to the remote.. it works well very well, and yes it is a bit primitive, but it works! if you want to try that you can email me, its simple to build and the software is really basic. -travis From: Steve Bower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:29:59 -0500 >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the Kevin> Tivo. Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch Kevin> of trashed recordings. Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a Kevin> workaround. Hi Kevin, I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been fiddling with it much recently. Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a "works everywhere" thing. Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? Steve. ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo)
Quoting Steve Bower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of > Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong > Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor > Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting > Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the > Kevin> Tivo. > > Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box > Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch > Kevin> of trashed recordings. > > Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any > Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? > > Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a > Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a > Kevin> workaround. > > Hi Kevin, > > I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the > same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... > > I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been > fiddling with it much recently. > > Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a > "works everywhere" thing. > > Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner > and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or > compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? Why not just see if the screen image has changed in a given period of time? At that point, a "fail-safe" procedure might be called that could systematically send remote commands to the set top box to get it out of it's deadend state. This might include turning the settop box off entirely. This would be more general purpose and might catch other sort of error conditions not originally accounted for. This would also be a nice check for recordings so that they could be automatically validated. Cleaning up after one of these deadend channel changes can be a bit of a pain in the ass. -- Negligence will never equal intent, no matter how you attempt to distort reality to do so. This is what separates ||| the real butchers from average Joes (or Fritzes) caught up in / | \ events not in their control. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Dish channel changing Re: [mythtv-users] Feature Suggestions (Tivo)
> "Kevin" == Kevin Hulse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Also, the DishTV set top boxes have this nasty habit of Kevin> putting you in a deadend condition if you select the wrong Kevin> channel. This is a problem with Tivo since it neither detects nor Kevin> routes around this problem. The Dish box is basically expecting Kevin> human interaction contrary to the automated responses from the Kevin> Tivo. Kevin> Tivo wants to spit out full channel numbers and the Dish box Kevin> wants to only get chan-up or chan-down. The end result is a bunch Kevin> of trashed recordings. Kevin> I was wondering if Myth has any "crash detection" or any Kevin> other methods to route around this sort of problem? Kevin> For the Dish boxes, I suppose adding a chan-up command as a Kevin> prefix to any explicit channel input would suffice as a Kevin> workaround. Hi Kevin, I did this for a while with my mythtv/dish setup, but it ran into the same issue when the chan-up put me onto a PPV channel... I've been focusing my efforts more on hdtv lately, so I haven't been fiddling with it much recently. Can you access the guide from those screens? If so, that might be a "works everywhere" thing. Or, we could always grab a still picture of the channel-change banner and OCR it to see if it matches the channel we want to be on. Or compare the picture with the "bad channel" screen? Steve. ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
