Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
I don't think that card does QAM...the new (competing) HD5000 from technisat does, though. I hate to add to the regret. Additionally, 95% of what is on the analog locals is on the matching DT1 versions here in Seattle. In otherwords NBC-DT1 = analog NBC here. Is this not the case for other places? It won't help the ESPN problem...but for my viewing it is perfect (I don't watch much sports except the local teams). From what I have read QAM is very random for people. Some people get tons in QAM, some don't get any...and it doesn't seem to matter if they are subscribed to Analog or Digital cable. Good Luck! Todd - Original Message - From: "Erik Pettersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion about mythtv" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's? it is difficult to find out what's available unencrypted without actually signing up for digital cable (or getting access to a system at someone's house who has). random thought: If you have analog cable, and they didn't put a filter specifically on your line, you *may* be getting digital QAM 256 signals (and therotically HDTV broadcast channels in the clear) without specifically subscribing to digital cable. It really depends. If you have cable internet in additiona to your analog cable this may likely be the case. You're just missing digital cable set top box (or QAM tuner for unencrypted stuff). It's really a crapshoot, but if you ahve the HD3000 already it's worth a shot, eh? I'm about to return my HD capable (no firewire) digital cable box and cancel digital cable service because I dont' use it and the HD line up is pathetic! (no FOX no ABC! gross, I'm rigging an uber antenna darnit!) But I digress... give it a shot with the HD3000 and the DVB drivers, maybe you'll get lucky. BTW I have no idea re: the legality of what I'm proposing, you're on your own/disclaimers apply... but it's the equivalent of having analog cable and pluggin in your ATSC/QAM capable HDTV (like I have) and having some unencrypted local broadcast HDTV stations being picked up via the QAM tuner. e. -- http://www.byopvr.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
Assuming that we are only doing OTA (antenna), what is the consensus on using HD-3000's and PVR-150/500's on the same backend? Is there any hope for DVB drivers and the ivtv drivers to happily co-exist? Does anyone have vl4 and ivtv working together on a FC4 system? Again, I appreciate any all suggstions and feedback. Thanks! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
> it is difficult to > find out what's available unencrypted without actually signing up for > digital cable (or getting access to a system at someone's house who > has). random thought: If you have analog cable, and they didn't put a filter specifically on your line, you *may* be getting digital QAM 256 signals (and therotically HDTV broadcast channels in the clear) without specifically subscribing to digital cable. It really depends. If you have cable internet in additiona to your analog cable this may likely be the case. You're just missing digital cable set top box (or QAM tuner for unencrypted stuff). It's really a crapshoot, but if you ahve the HD3000 already it's worth a shot, eh? I'm about to return my HD capable (no firewire) digital cable box and cancel digital cable service because I dont' use it and the HD line up is pathetic! (no FOX no ABC! gross, I'm rigging an uber antenna darnit!) But I digress... give it a shot with the HD3000 and the DVB drivers, maybe you'll get lucky. BTW I have no idea re: the legality of what I'm proposing, you're on your own/disclaimers apply... but it's the equivalent of having analog cable and pluggin in your ATSC/QAM capable HDTV (like I have) and having some unencrypted local broadcast HDTV stations being picked up via the QAM tuner. e. -- http://www.byopvr.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 15:23 -0400, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: > The HD-3000 really only makes sense if you're capturing a digital > signal. I now know this. Wish I'd known that when I spent money on the card :-) Oh well, perhaps I will eventually have a legitimate use for it. > You don't need to upgrade to digital cable to get that; you > could hook up an antenna and tune in free OTA local broadcasts. True, but most HD content that I have access to is only on cable or satellite, including some of the most important (to me) things (e.g. ESPN HD which will soon have Monday Night Football). The problem, as has been gone over in other threads, is that cable companies often don't make the digital content available unencrypted and it is difficult to find out what's available unencrypted without actually signing up for digital cable (or getting access to a system at someone's house who has). And if you have digital cable, you're most likely only going to get the content to your computer over FireWire, which doesn't even need a capture card (the signal is already MPEG-encoded). I don't know about satellite, but if you're a cable customer, the only real use for the HD-3000 is OTA. (Your mileage may vary; I have heard that *some* cable companies make the digital signal available over coax or S-video unencrypted). > > If you have no intention of tuning digital broadcasts or digital cable, > then you're better off with a PVR-xxx (150,250,350,500). That matches my experience. I'm using a PVR-500 and a PVR-150 now. --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:59, Folashade Adeyosoye wrote: > I am beginning to think I might have chosen the wrong card, I am not > looking > on upgrading my Comcast cable anytime soon to digital. The HD-3000 really only makes sense if you're capturing a digital signal. You don't need to upgrade to digital cable to get that; you could hook up an antenna and tune in free OTA local broadcasts. If you have no intention of tuning digital broadcasts or digital cable, then you're better off with a PVR-xxx (150,250,350,500). > I wonder what the ratio of HD-3000 is to the PVR-500 out there, and > which one would one consider the better card. Since they're really designed for different purposes (analog cable/broadcast vs. digital cable/broadcast), I wouldn't say either one is "better". It's just a matter of which one better suits your intended application. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
On Tuesday 27 September 2005 23:23, ToadMazter wrote: > Most likely I'll use the HD3000's for OTA HD and the PVR-500 for OTA > and/or > Comcast cable. In this scenario, are the vl4 drivers for the HD3000 > co-resident with the 0.3.x ivtv drivers for the PVR-500 a workable > solution? > I kinda had hoped to use the DVB drivers because it seemed easy in FC4 > (and > wouldn't mind trying/testing to get DiscoveryHD or ESPNHD off of > Comcast), > but if vl4 will be less problematic then that's what I'll do. I think if you're using the HD3000 for OTA HD, then you'd use the DVB drivers. The V4L drivers would be only if you're using the HD3000 for analog cable or standard OTA NTSC broadcast. Someone care to verify? -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 20:23 -0700, ToadMazter wrote: > Most likely I'll use the HD3000's for OTA HD and the PVR-500 for OTA > and/or Comcast cable. In this scenario, are the vl4 drivers for the > HD3000 co-resident with the 0.3.x ivtv drivers for the PVR-500 a > workable solution? Unfortunately, I don't really know (although I will eventually have to find out). I only know that the V4L drivers work with analog cable. --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
Most likely I'll use the HD3000's for OTA HD and the PVR-500 for OTA and/or Comcast cable. In this scenario, are the vl4 drivers for the HD3000 co-resident with the 0.3.x ivtv drivers for the PVR-500 a workable solution? I kinda had hoped to use the DVB drivers because it seemed easy in FC4 (and wouldn't mind trying/testing to get DiscoveryHD or ESPNHD off of Comcast), but if vl4 will be less problematic then that's what I'll do. Thanks! On 9/27/05, Greg Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 14:59 -0400, Folashade Adeyosoye wrote:> I am beginning to think I might have chosen the wrong card, I am not looking > on upgrading my Comcast cable anytime soon to digital.In that case, if you have analog cable connected to your HD-3000 card,then just use the V4L drivers. Worked for me, avoids the conflict withIVTV drivers. > I wonder what the ratio of HD-3000 is to the PVR-500 out there, and which> one would one consider the better card.Well, I started my whole trip into MythTV land by buying an HD-3000 cardbecause I was worried about the broadcast flag stuff. I was afraid that if I didn't buy one before July 1, those cards would become illegal inthe US unless they had a lot of onerous DRM stuff. Turns out the USSupreme Court postponed implementation of the broadcast flag rule, but I already had my HD-3000 so I set about using it. It worked OK, but themore I learned about all of this stuff, the more I realized it reallyisn't the right card for analog cable. If you aren't actually receiving HD signals, then the PVR-500 is far superior. The PVR cards havehardware encoding. With the HD-3000, your CPU has to do all the work.The PVR-500 also has TWO tuners, a big win on a MythTV box. So I endedup switching to the PVR-500 on my master backend, and I have a slave backend that has a PVR-150. I don't even use the HD-3000 any more, Iwill maybe try to use it one of these days for getting OTA HD channels,but we only have a small handful of those in our area and I don't have an HD-capable TV yet anyway.I think, if you are just using analog cable, that you are way better offwith a PVR card than an HD-3000.--Greg___ mythtv-users mailing listmythtv-users@mythtv.orghttp://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 14:59 -0400, Folashade Adeyosoye wrote: > I am beginning to think I might have chosen the wrong card, I am not looking > on upgrading my Comcast cable anytime soon to digital. In that case, if you have analog cable connected to your HD-3000 card, then just use the V4L drivers. Worked for me, avoids the conflict with IVTV drivers. > I wonder what the ratio of HD-3000 is to the PVR-500 out there, and which > one would one consider the better card. Well, I started my whole trip into MythTV land by buying an HD-3000 card because I was worried about the broadcast flag stuff. I was afraid that if I didn't buy one before July 1, those cards would become illegal in the US unless they had a lot of onerous DRM stuff. Turns out the US Supreme Court postponed implementation of the broadcast flag rule, but I already had my HD-3000 so I set about using it. It worked OK, but the more I learned about all of this stuff, the more I realized it really isn't the right card for analog cable. If you aren't actually receiving HD signals, then the PVR-500 is far superior. The PVR cards have hardware encoding. With the HD-3000, your CPU has to do all the work. The PVR-500 also has TWO tuners, a big win on a MythTV box. So I ended up switching to the PVR-500 on my master backend, and I have a slave backend that has a PVR-150. I don't even use the HD-3000 any more, I will maybe try to use it one of these days for getting OTA HD channels, but we only have a small handful of those in our area and I don't have an HD-capable TV yet anyway. I think, if you are just using analog cable, that you are way better off with a PVR card than an HD-3000. --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's?
I am beginning to think I might have chosen the wrong card, I am not looking on upgrading my Comcast cable anytime soon to digital. I wonder what the ratio of HD-3000 is to the PVR-500 out there, and which one would one consider the better card. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woods Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:53 PM To: Discussion about mythtv; ToadMazter Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone successful with HD3000 DVB andPVR-150/500's? On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:33 -0700, ToadMazter wrote: > I agree. I would be happier with the PVR-500. But, only if it works > with the HD-3000's. Any other suggestions? Would the older drivers > (non-DVB) for the HD3000 work? That depends on what you have connected to it. Is it analog cable, digital cable, or an antenna? --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
