Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
On 7/5/05, Paul Andreassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:59 pm, David Whyte wrote: how/where do you change to TS again? If I remember correctly, I am on PS. What are the pros and cons of each stream? Run mythsetup, its under the options for your dvb card. In TS mode + - change sound sources as well. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/135242#135242 I made my first TS recording overnight and after manually specifying the cutlist and transcoding to NUV MPEG4 the cuts are just about perfect. There are a couple of frames shown of the end of the commercial, but I can probably prevent that by placing the cutpoint in a couple. I am now trying the commercial flagger on the new series of 24. I don't know how it will turn out but here is hoping...I am running out of disk space quick :| -- -- GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH I have GMail invites, if you want one, email me direct. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
What settings do you mean? The main thing is to change to TS if you are having offset problems and I am using the all flagging method. It still misses a few ads but is quite usable (unlike when using PS). I believe you can also turn the sensitiviy down in the menu so it recognises more commercials (but more likely to mistake a show for a commercial). Matthew. Could you tell me what settings you are using to get it to work? I am new to mythtv, but this feature is high on my list of things to get working. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Yes, the flagging method was one of the settings. I had the default (blank frame detection) turned on, but it wasn't working. Also, do you have 'Strict Commercial Detection' checked? As for sensitivity, I have not discovered anything to adjust that yet. thanks Matthew Carle wrote: What settings do you mean? The main thing is to change to TS if you are having offset problems and I am using the all flagging method. It still misses a few ads but is quite usable (unlike when using PS). I believe you can also turn the sensitiviy down in the menu so it recognises more commercials (but more likely to mistake a show for a commercial). Matthew. Could you tell me what settings you are using to get it to work? I am new to mythtv, but this feature is high on my list of things to get working. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Thanks Paul, The change to TS seems to have fixed the problem (I havn't tried a cutpoint yet but the commercial flagging offset is fixed). Matthew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Andreassen Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 7:28 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:17 pm, Matthew Carle wrote: I can understand how the commercial flagging might not work too well, however the main issue I was wondering about is the cut-point problem. Do people outside of Australia have this problem? I can't really see how it would be related to the video stream (but I'm sure that's possible). I mainly mentioned the commercial flagging in case it is related. Any ideas anyone? I was see problems with offset calculations in the video stream, including commercial flagging. But with the 18.1 and changing TS streams the problem has gone away. I even get good commercial detection on 9 and 10 but 7 still has some problems. Paul -- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Matthew Carle wrote: I was see problems with offset calculations in the video stream, including commercial flagging. But with the 18.1 and changing TS streams the problem has gone away. I even get good commercial detection on 9 and 10 but 7 still has some problems. Paul -- Could you tell me what settings you are using to get it to work? I am new to mythtv, but this feature is high on my list of things to get working. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Can anyone confirm that cutpoints should occur at the correct time (eg no delay) and that this is in fact a bug/bad setting somewhere for just a few of us? Thanks, Matthew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Carle Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:17 PM To: 'Discussion about mythtv' Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Phillips Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 9:08 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging On 03/07/2005, at 12:21 PM, Matthew Carle wrote: I usually put cutpoints into a movie before I watch it so I can just let it run (I don't transcode). The problem is that it always plays about 10 seconds after the delete after this point cutpoints. The delete before this point cutpoints don't appear to have the problem (certainly not to the same degree - I havn't noticed it). I have also tried a transcode which also results in the delay. Is this a software limitation or is something not working right? I also have another issue which may be related. Commercial flagging nearly always detects commercials as starting and ending too early (averaging 20-30 seconds). I don't think I've ever seen a commercial break flagged correctly. Is this normal? I am using the all method of flagging. I have similar problems with 0.17 (I'm in Adelaide using DVB-T). End cutpoints end late and commercial flagging is quite spotty (using the all method of detection). The late end cut-points aren't a bug problem and, since commercial breaks tend to be 3 mins, I've just got into the habit of turning flagging off and hitting 3 forward to skip 3 mins when the commercials start. I assume that commercial flagging is optimized for US TV and something in the commercial layouts on Australian free to air channels throws it. It seems to be especially easily fooled by the station's own commercials for upcoming shows that come at the end of ad breaks. I realise commercial flagging is a bit of a black art, so I'm not too surprised it doesn't work in places it probably isn't tuned for. I'm just happy that it works so well otherwise ;) Matt. I can understand how the commercial flagging might not work too well, however the main issue I was wondering about is the cut-point problem. Do people outside of Australia have this problem? I can't really see how it would be related to the video stream (but I'm sure that's possible). I mainly mentioned the commercial flagging in case it is related. Any ideas anyone? Thanks, Matthew. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Around about 07/07/05 11:53, Matthew Carle typed ... Can anyone confirm that cutpoints should occur at the correct time (eg no delay) and that this is in fact a bug/bad setting somewhere for just a few of us? Works OK for me, 0.18, FC3, PVR-350 (with auto=insterted ad-breaks, and manual cut points). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rm -f .signature [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l .signature ls: .signature: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# exit ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:17 pm, Matthew Carle wrote: I can understand how the commercial flagging might not work too well, however the main issue I was wondering about is the cut-point problem. Do people outside of Australia have this problem? I can't really see how it would be related to the video stream (but I'm sure that's possible). I mainly mentioned the commercial flagging in case it is related. Any ideas anyone? I was see problems with offset calculations in the video stream, including commercial flagging. But with the 18.1 and changing TS streams the problem has gone away. I even get good commercial detection on 9 and 10 but 7 still has some problems. Paul -- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
how/where do you change to TS again? If I remember correctly, I am on PS. What are the pros and cons of each stream? On 7/5/05, Paul Andreassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:17 pm, Matthew Carle wrote: I can understand how the commercial flagging might not work too well, however the main issue I was wondering about is the cut-point problem. Do people outside of Australia have this problem? I can't really see how it would be related to the video stream (but I'm sure that's possible). I mainly mentioned the commercial flagging in case it is related. Any ideas anyone? I was see problems with offset calculations in the video stream, including commercial flagging. But with the 18.1 and changing TS streams the problem has gone away. I even get good commercial detection on 9 and 10 but 7 still has some problems. Paul -- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- -- GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH I have GMail invites, if you want one, email me direct. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:59 pm, David Whyte wrote: how/where do you change to TS again? If I remember correctly, I am on PS. What are the pros and cons of each stream? Run mythsetup, its under the options for your dvb card. In TS mode + - change sound sources as well. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/135242#135242 -- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Phillips Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 9:08 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging On 03/07/2005, at 12:21 PM, Matthew Carle wrote: I usually put cutpoints into a movie before I watch it so I can just let it run (I don't transcode). The problem is that it always plays about 10 seconds after the delete after this point cutpoints. The delete before this point cutpoints don't appear to have the problem (certainly not to the same degree - I havn't noticed it). I have also tried a transcode which also results in the delay. Is this a software limitation or is something not working right? I also have another issue which may be related. Commercial flagging nearly always detects commercials as starting and ending too early (averaging 20-30 seconds). I don't think I've ever seen a commercial break flagged correctly. Is this normal? I am using the all method of flagging. I have similar problems with 0.17 (I'm in Adelaide using DVB-T). End cutpoints end late and commercial flagging is quite spotty (using the all method of detection). The late end cut-points aren't a bug problem and, since commercial breaks tend to be 3 mins, I've just got into the habit of turning flagging off and hitting 3 forward to skip 3 mins when the commercials start. I assume that commercial flagging is optimized for US TV and something in the commercial layouts on Australian free to air channels throws it. It seems to be especially easily fooled by the station's own commercials for upcoming shows that come at the end of ad breaks. I realise commercial flagging is a bit of a black art, so I'm not too surprised it doesn't work in places it probably isn't tuned for. I'm just happy that it works so well otherwise ;) Matt. I can understand how the commercial flagging might not work too well, however the main issue I was wondering about is the cut-point problem. Do people outside of Australia have this problem? I can't really see how it would be related to the video stream (but I'm sure that's possible). I mainly mentioned the commercial flagging in case it is related. Any ideas anyone? Thanks, Matthew. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
Hey Matt, where are you from? Your issues look almost identical to ones I have had with both cutpoints and comm flagging. I put the flagging down to the crazy aussie broadcasters. I thought the cut-points must also be casued by the aussie DVB-T streams or something, otherwise, it would have surely been fixed if it was common. Cheers, Whytey On 7/3/05, Matthew Carle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I usually put cutpoints into a movie before I watch it so I can just let it run (I don't transcode). The problem is that it always plays about 10 seconds after the delete after this point cutpoints. The delete before this point cutpoints don't appear to have the problem (certainly not to the same degree - I havn't noticed it). I have also tried a transcode which also results in the delay. Is this a software limitation or is something not working right? I also have another issue which may be related. Commercial flagging nearly always detects commercials as starting and ending too early (averaging 20-30 seconds). I don't think I've ever seen a commercial break flagged correctly. Is this normal? I am using the all method of flagging. The TV source is a DVB card and is hence in mpeg-2. I am in Australia and using MythTV 0.18.1. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Matthew. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- -- GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH I have GMail invites, if you want one, email me direct. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
I'm in south Canberra. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Whyte Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 5:26 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging Hey Matt, where are you from? Your issues look almost identical to ones I have had with both cutpoints and comm flagging. I put the flagging down to the crazy aussie broadcasters. I thought the cut-points must also be casued by the aussie DVB-T streams or something, otherwise, it would have surely been fixed if it was common. Cheers, Whytey On 7/3/05, Matthew Carle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I usually put cutpoints into a movie before I watch it so I can just let it run (I don't transcode). The problem is that it always plays about 10 seconds after the delete after this point cutpoints. The delete before this point cutpoints don't appear to have the problem (certainly not to the same degree - I havn't noticed it). I have also tried a transcode which also results in the delay. Is this a software limitation or is something not working right? I also have another issue which may be related. Commercial flagging nearly always detects commercials as starting and ending too early (averaging 20-30 seconds). I don't think I've ever seen a commercial break flagged correctly. Is this normal? I am using the all method of flagging. The TV source is a DVB card and is hence in mpeg-2. I am in Australia and using MythTV 0.18.1. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Matthew. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- -- GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH I have GMail invites, if you want one, email me direct. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Cutpoints delayed bad commercial flagging
On 03/07/2005, at 12:21 PM, Matthew Carle wrote: I usually put cutpoints into a movie before I watch it so I can just let it run (I don't transcode). The problem is that it always plays about 10 seconds after the delete after this point cutpoints. The delete before this point cutpoints don't appear to have the problem (certainly not to the same degree - I havn't noticed it). I have also tried a transcode which also results in the delay. Is this a software limitation or is something not working right? I also have another issue which may be related. Commercial flagging nearly always detects commercials as starting and ending too early (averaging 20-30 seconds). I don't think I've ever seen a commercial break flagged correctly. Is this normal? I am using the all method of flagging. I have similar problems with 0.17 (I'm in Adelaide using DVB-T). End cutpoints end late and commercial flagging is quite spotty (using the all method of detection). The late end cut-points aren't a bug problem and, since commercial breaks tend to be 3 mins, I've just got into the habit of turning flagging off and hitting 3 forward to skip 3 mins when the commercials start. I assume that commercial flagging is optimized for US TV and something in the commercial layouts on Australian free to air channels throws it. It seems to be especially easily fooled by the station's own commercials for upcoming shows that come at the end of ad breaks. I realise commercial flagging is a bit of a black art, so I'm not too surprised it doesn't work in places it probably isn't tuned for. I'm just happy that it works so well otherwise ;) Matt. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
