RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
Hello, I have been researching the wintv-150 and I am confused about the drivers. It doesn't look like ivtv is going to build one for it. I appologize if I've got the info wrong (newbie), but I am trying to configure my first mythtv system and am still gathering HW specs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Templeton Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion about mythtv Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:06:39AM +0100, Rolf Zwart wrote: Hello, Is there anybody who has already got the (dual-tuner) new PVR-500 card from Hauppage working with MythTV? As I understand it is already being sold in Amercia i.e.?? It's mostly a slot-saver right now, which of course is important if you have a SFF computer or micro-atx, but the cheapest I see that card out for is around $135-$140, and the PVR-150-MCE can be had for $62 according to froogle, so it's actually cheaper to buy two of those. Of course this won't last and I suspect this card will become the normal purchase. Of course, I have lived happily on a 1 tuner Tivo before trying to build my mythbox which will have two tuners, a pcHDTV and a wintv-150. I sort of feel that a scheduling conflict is god's way of telling me I watch too much TV. (Of course, if you have a Canadian satellite dish, you will not get many scheduling conflicts, since they give you local channels from 5 zones of Canada as well as U.S. EST and PST, so most shows are on more than enough times to eliminate any trouble. Unfortunately Expressvu switched satellites in August and so the south and west USA can't see about 1/3rd of the channels, you should go to Starchoice instead. Cheaper than any US satellite as well.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
Work has been done on the 150. The last i heard was that if you use the 0.3.1 drivers then it can capture video but not audio at the moment. You should check the ivtv-dev list for more accurate information or look at the Changelog in the latest driver. John --- Jay Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have been researching the wintv-150 and I am confused about the drivers. It doesn't look like ivtv is going to build one for it. I appologize if I've got the info wrong (newbie), but I am trying to configure my first mythtv system and am still gathering HW specs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Templeton Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion about mythtv Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:06:39AM +0100, Rolf Zwart wrote: Hello, Is there anybody who has already got the (dual-tuner) new PVR-500 card from Hauppage working with MythTV? As I understand it is already being sold in Amercia i.e.?? It's mostly a slot-saver right now, which of course is important if you have a SFF computer or micro-atx, but the cheapest I see that card out for is around $135-$140, and the PVR-150-MCE can be had for $62 according to froogle, so it's actually cheaper to buy two of those. Of course this won't last and I suspect this card will become the normal purchase. Of course, I have lived happily on a 1 tuner Tivo before trying to build my mythbox which will have two tuners, a pcHDTV and a wintv-150. I sort of feel that a scheduling conflict is god's way of telling me I watch too much TV. (Of course, if you have a Canadian satellite dish, you will not get many scheduling conflicts, since they give you local channels from 5 zones of Canada as well as U.S. EST and PST, so most shows are on more than enough times to eliminate any trouble. Unfortunately Expressvu switched satellites in August and so the south and west USA can't see about 1/3rd of the channels, you should go to Starchoice instead. Cheaper than any US satellite as well.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
Hello, I have been researching the wintv-150 and I am confused about the drivers. It doesn't look like ivtv is going to build one for it. I appologize if I've got the info wrong (newbie), but I am trying to configure my first mythtv system and am still gathering HW specs. As it is now, you can use 250 and 350. But not 150. . ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
And How about the MCE versions? Is that a problem? Rolf. Message date : 02-12-2004 13:18 From : Jan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : Discussion about mythtv [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copy to : Subject : RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner Hello, I have been researching the wintv-150 and I am confused about the drivers. It doesn't look like ivtv is going to build one for it. I appologize if I've got the info wrong (newbie), but I am trying to configure my first mythtv system and am still gathering HW specs. As it is now, you can use 250 and 350. But not 150. . [ (Geen naam gevonden) (0.2 Kb) ] ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
Brad Templeton wrote: ... Of course, I have lived happily on a 1 tuner Tivo before trying to build my mythbox which will have two tuners, a pcHDTV and a wintv-150. I sort of feel that a scheduling conflict is god's way of telling me I watch too much TV. God probably didn't tell networks to pit shows that appeal to the same demographic against each other in order to undermine the Nielsen ratings of their competitors =). We tend to get complacent after adapting to resources. In the early '80s Compute's Gazette questioned the need for 64k in new computers from Commodore and Atari because people wouldn't type in BASIC programs that large. Having watched TV all our lives, and even with one VCR or one DVR, we're accustomed to the idea that we have to decide which one of the things that is on at 8:00pm Tuesday we most want to watch. However, there may be four things on at 8pm Tue that I'd prefer over almost anything else on at any other time of the week. So the advantage of multiple tuners isn't so you can watch twice as much TV ;-) but so that you can choose all the titles that you would like to see regardless of when they are scheduled. The result should be that during the time you spend looking at the tube, you're more likely to watch things you'd really like to see and less time on secondary filler. Back when I had a single tuner DVR I thought that a second tuner would solve most of the problems and that's pretty much true. I now normally have three tuners on-line for myth and can add two more slaves when needed for up to five recordings at a time. I'm surprised how often things come in clusters. Take a couple networks competing for an audience like me, add a baseball playoff game and an early season basketball game and I'm full. I can watch the sports that night and the other shows over the course of the next few days. Looking at my current schedule, I have nothing from 10am Sat until 3pm Sun but ten shows in primetime Tue with three more postponed to record a later showing. I have plenty of things I still want to see this weekend even though I'm not recording anything new. I wouldn't have as many good choices if I'd only had one tuner. So even though multiple tuners sound like overkill, the result can be a better use of your TV time rather than just more wasted time. No need to feel guilty =). -- bjm ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:15:52PM -0800, Bruce Markey wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: ... Of course, I have lived happily on a 1 tuner Tivo before trying to build my mythbox which will have two tuners, a pcHDTV and a wintv-150. I sort of feel that a scheduling conflict is god's way of telling me I watch too much TV. God probably didn't tell networks to pit shows that appeal to the same demographic against each other in order to undermine the Nielsen ratings of their competitors =). on at 8:00pm Tuesday we most want to watch. However, there may be four things on at 8pm Tue that I'd prefer over almost anything else on at any other time of the week. So the advantage of This can be true in theory, and sometimes in practice, but how true is it really? Sometimes I feel the right answer is to just accept it, and that week watch only one thing. You should never watch an inferior thing to fill your time just because you couldn't record a superior thing. Chances are, it will come on again (if it's not a sporting event.) A clever PVR might even notice when it failed to record something due to conflicts, and remember to grab it for you in summer reruns (while not recording all the other reruns.) Ie. add it to a permanent wishlist of sorts. But I'm not like many. When I got my Tivo I did watch more TV, even accounting for the fact that I could watch TV in 30% less time due to commercial skip. It took effort to bring it back down. Tivo suggestions are an interesting feature but can contribute to more watching. On the other hand you can be bothered by the lack of variety without them and start surfing, which is of course bad (and very slow with digital TV.) But for example, I deliberately don't get HBO, even though it has shows I would like to see, because I know I would watch more of it than I should. (This decision was reinforced when comcast switched to requiring digital cable to get pay channels. PVRs work much better with broadband RF style cable than with set top boxes, as we all know.) So I agree, sometimes multiple tuners will give you better quality TV. But they will also make you -- at least if you are weak like me -- from thinking about the decisions over what you really want to watch. One thing multiple tuners can do though is facilitate automatic padding. All PVRs should automatically pad a few minutes extra before and after each program. The before-padding would be invisible -- the cursor would start at the programmed start time, and a few minutes of rewind would be available. The post-padding of course is not watched because you manually stop at the end. This is an obvious win, but harder to do on a single tuner. The Tivo does it terribly. Padding is manual and if you add it, the one minute overlap with another show counts as a conflict rather than a no padding in this instance Multiple tuners can give you full padding on all shows, which is a useful feature, but reduces your ability to use multiple tuners to avoid conflicts if you also have abutting shows. Many people seem to want multiple tuners so they can watch live TV while recording. They haven't realized the error of their ways in wanting to watch live TV. :-) Ideally, when given a variable length event (sports, news, academy awards etc.) a PVR would always do tons of padding in available free disk space. As much as an hour. Then it would mark this extra hour as delete this if you need space, starting at the end. Thus, if you watched reasonably soon after the event, you would not find it cut off. A really smart PVR would use shared knowledge from other viewers to figure out when the event actually ended (ie. almost everybody quit and deleted at 3 hours 22 minutes) and then retroactively queue that space for re-use. (But it should never delete until actually needed.) Or transcode the extra space really small. Can you tell I have been frustrated to miss the end of a program? ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
So does anyone have an idea as to whether or not the PVR-500 is supported? Is it too early to tell? -Randy ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:37:12 -0500 (EST), Randy Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So does anyone have an idea as to whether or not the PVR-500 is supported? Is it too early to tell? -Randy Not yet. ___ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 Dual Tuner
Brad Templeton wrote: On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 01:15:52PM -0800, Bruce Markey wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: ... Of course, I have lived happily on a 1 tuner Tivo before trying to build my mythbox which will have two tuners, a pcHDTV and a wintv-150. I sort of feel that a scheduling conflict is god's way of telling me I watch too much TV. God probably didn't tell networks to pit shows that appeal to the same demographic against each other in order to undermine the Nielsen ratings of their competitors =). on at 8:00pm Tuesday we most want to watch. However, there may be four things on at 8pm Tue that I'd prefer over almost anything else on at any other time of the week. So the advantage of This can be true in theory, and sometimes in practice, but how true is it really? That's a good question and one that surprised me once I had several tuners. Sometimes I feel the right answer is to just accept it, and that week watch only one thing. You should never watch an inferior thing to fill your time just because you couldn't record a superior thing. Agreed. Following that line of reasoning, it turns out that most of the time there isn't anything on that I really need to see and often superior things are on at the same time. The question changes from 'what will fit in the schedule' to 'what are the things I'd most like to see'. If that means that several things are recorded on Tuesday and nothing on Friday, so be it. Chances are, it will come on again (if it's not a sporting event.) A clever PVR might even notice when it failed to record something due to conflicts, and remember to grab it for you in summer reruns (while not recording all the other reruns.) Ie. add it to a permanent wishlist of sorts. Myth shines here because unlike the system you are familiar with where previously recorded shows are only remembered for 5 or 6 weeks and a first run feature is used to block reruns, myth keeps it's previously recorded entries. It will remember which ones you've seen before and only record the ones that were missed. It's also a little smarted about letting you block out a showing but still allowing that same episode to be recorded at another time. But I'm not like many. When I got my Tivo I did watch more TV, even accounting for the fact that I could watch TV in 30% less time due to commercial skip. It took effort to bring it back down. Tivo suggestions are an interesting feature but can contribute to more watching. On the other hand you can be bothered by the lack of variety without them and start surfing, which is of course bad (and very slow with digital TV.) Variety is a good question or at least seems like a good question when watching recordings rather than channel surfing. I thought the suggestions were an interesting feature at first as well as the promotional lists. However, The first week I said I liked Letterman and it suggested another talk show, Oprah. I said no to Oprah and a week later it recommended Letterman and not Oprah. Three months later Letterman yes, Oprah no. I'm fairly confident of it's talk show recommendations for next year. But I found that I kept looking at these lists and came to realize that what I was looking for was not the regular series that I'd already formed an opinion about but the new titles I hadn't heard of before(!). This lead to the What's New list now in Schedule Recordings-Search Lists-New Titles. This is a slightly different approach where there is a table of all the titles that have been in the listings in the past (up to 11 months) then the New Titles show all the future titles in the current listings that are not in that list. So this is all the stuff that hasn't been on before. Further, by using the view keys, Home and End by default, you can see the list broken down by Movies, Series and Specials. I've found many more interesting, unexpected things by looking at these lists than I ever found in the suggestions. I also believe I find more interesting things here than by channel surfing because you only find things that happen to be on during the times that you surf and even then you start watching from somewhere in the middle. But for example, I deliberately don't get HBO, even though it has shows I would like to see, because I know I would watch more of it than I should. (This decision was reinforced when comcast switched to requiring digital cable to get pay channels. PVRs work much better with broadband RF style cable than with set top boxes, as we all know.) I agree that they do but I'm not sure everyone knows that ;-). So I agree, sometimes multiple tuners will give you better quality TV. But they will also make you -- at least if you are weak like me -- from thinking about the decisions over what you really want to watch. Glad you said that because it shows that I failed to express the key point. Shortly before I had a DVR I was in the habit of watching Dragnet at 6:30 before dinner. As I scheduled things on the DVR I of course added Dragnet and
