Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On 10/11/05, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About this whole touch tone thing and home automation control.I lovethe Myth automation concept. Isn't that what myth is suppose to beabout? Mythical convergence? As far as touch tone activation,I've beenhalf following this thread.. Instead of touch tone magic, why not good old SMS?In this summer issue of 2600 (I think). there is a short article onusing SMS to control your box.. It's sort of smart hack..Basically, ittakes advantage the fact that most phones can SMS email addresses.. I'll see ifI can find/post the article if anybody is interested. It couldturn into a pretty useful tool if somebody put some time into a mythinterface. Ultimetely, asterisk is where you'd want to be looking, but in the meantime... I remember seeing some set of mail parsing scripts that allowed emails to perform commands on a host. This isn't the one I was looking for, but something like this: http://unix.freshmeat.net/projects/mail2sh/ Also, there's a GAIM plugin that allows remote command execution if you're okay with the security implications of that. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1071005group_id=235atid=390395 I suppose you could use an IM Client on your phone to send the name of a short unix script. But then again, many people today can also use ssh from their phone to access a real shell on their mythtv box - or even just use a web interface from their phone! BTW, Ian... when you reply to emails it seems that your MUA is generating a new thread. -Ross ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
Hello all. I'm new to the list but I hope you won't mind me wading in on the mythtv - home automation issue. What I would like to do is call my computer, and via touch-tones control the X-10 devices. I have DSL, and NEVER use my home phone line. So if I hooked it up to a cheap $10 modem card, would it be possible to do this? An example might be to call home and turn on the AC on the way home from school by punching in *9. Or be able to call home as I am pulling out of the drive way in the morning to turn off the porch light by pushing *8. Misterhouse and asterisk are the answer to your needs. There are nice modules for MH to interface with asterisk and accomplish what you are looking for. If you have festival installed you can even have it respond with generated voice prompts. Misterhouse (MH) will handle the automation part by talking to an X10 controller (or almost anything else - I use 1wire and some homebrew hardware) and asterisk deals with the phone system. Personally I prefer the idea of using wap pages to control my automation system. MH will produce nice menus and provides a web server to use with your phone. If you need any more info post to the misterhouse users list. Now to the mythtv related part of this. I too have been dreaming of a plugin for mythtv which would allow me to control my automation system. I would like something that is abstracted in that it is not tied to a particular automation system. I think that the best approach is to produce simple menus in a myth plugin which send/receive XAP messages. I've just been looking at the plugin code and it doesn't seem that difficult but I'm not sure I have time right now (baby is due this week). Anyone else interested in this approach or have a better suggestion? Glenn Chubak ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
snip Kevin Kuphal wrote: Isn't this what http://www.plutohome.com is doing? Pluto is something I'm definitely having a look at (both as an end user and considering applying to be a dealer here). Having one system that controls security consoles, multiple types of home automation (not stuck with X10), video conferencing, VoIP, using symbian mobile phones for control, using wireless WinXP and WinCE tablets for control, end-user interface design, video that follows you around the house (via VideoLAN and MythTV), etc, etc is a great idea IMO. I haven't had time to test it yet (have a system set aside, burnt the CD, but been too busy to play with it). While Pluto sounds great, I still think it's too big for what many people want. But I have often wondered why somebody hasn't created something simple as a home automation plug-in for MythTV. Especially since there is already a heap of Linux based stuff for X10 home automation. Plus there is already a home automation control plug-in for MCE. And please, keep this discussion on the list. I have a Myth box setup already, so I'd much prefer to have something to integrate into Myth rather than scrap my system and start again. Craig... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/129 - Release Date: 11/10/2005 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
BTW, don't forget that with X-10 you will need to have a module at thecircuit-breaker panel to allow devices on one phase to talk to devices on the other phase. I forget the size offhand, but you can put something like a 350 picofarad capacitor to jump the phases to get the x10 signals to pass. But you better google it back up because I'm not sure. It talks about the signal having to run all the way out of the house to the pole to make the jump, whereas doing the jump in your panel. -- -=/Thom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
I have heardabout Linux computer based answering machines, that will effectively give you voicemail. It seems to me that any computer can discern one touch-tonefrom another. So why can't I use specific tones to run specific commands.-(this is one of the few times I wished I had chosen computer engineering over mechanical engineering)- Surely some one has thought of this before.Thanks for the replies, and keep 'em coming. -Matwhat you need is asterisk - then program an autoattendant so regular callers your phone rings several times and then goes to voicemail - but if you press a key sequence - you get a voice menu of things you can do. then connect that to agi scripts that do the things you want. I'm not doing any home automation with mine yet. But I'm working to ward that. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 11:59 pm, Thom Paine wrote: BTW, don't forget that with X-10 you will need to have a module at the circuit-breaker panel to allow devices on one phase to talk to devices on the other phase. I forget the size offhand, but you can put something like a 350 picofarad capacitor to jump the phases to get the x10 signals to pass. But you better google it back up because I'm not sure. It talks about the signal having to run all the way out of the house to the pole to make the jump, whereas doing the jump in your panel. -- -=/Thom Or, if you are not a risk-taker, you could try one of these: http://www.smarthome.com/4816H.HTML -- Harry O. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On 10/11/05, Mat Kyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come to assume that the people that frequent this list have interestssimilar to my own. (The ever-persistent desire to make one thing do manythings). So I am looking for some advice. I would like to automate various appliances around my house using X-10 modules, but have them controlled bymy computer. I am aware of Mister Home, and it looks cool, but it doesn'tseem to do what I am looking for.What I would like to do is call my computer, and via touch-tones control the X-10 devices. I have DSL, and NEVER use my home phone line. So if I hookedit up to a cheap $10 modem card, would it be possible to do this? An examplemight be to call home and turn on the AC on the way home from school by punching in *9. Or be able to call home as I am pulling out of the drive wayin the morning to turn off the porch light by pushing *8.It seems to me that this is old technology, so it might already be out there - maybe even so old that no one knows about it any more. (Like Windows 3.1)Any pointers as to where to look would be greatly appreciated. -Mat Oh, I'm all over this. I had this working fantasically when I rented an apartment, but now that I bought a house, I haven't had the time to get it set up on a larger scale. You want to use Heyu, and basically everything can be controlled from cron or commands via ssh. I didn't have the phone part, as I was more happy with being able to ssh in and turn the module on or off. I also had motion sensors in the spare rooms, the hallway, the bathroom, and other seldom used rooms to turn the lights on and off. And I had the outside light controlled from the remote keychain. I programmed in an advanced feature for my then girlfriend, now wife that when she went to the bathroom after 11pm, the light would gradually brighten up to 50% and after she left it would dim back down to off. This was alot better for her eyes. I was also into homepower.com and was looking at saving money. Since this isn't anything to do with mythtv, feel free to email me off list and I'll gladly help you out all I can. -=/Thom -- -=/Thom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On 01:38 PM Thom Paine wrote: Since this isn't anything to do with mythtv, feel free to email me off list and I'll gladly help you out all I can. I'm interested though! Can you keep it on the list? Or, is there a list to monitor? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
Thom Paine wrote: On 10/11/05, Mat Kyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come to assume that the people that frequent this list have interests similar to my own. (The ever-persistent desire to make one thing do many things). So I am looking for some advice. I would like to automate various appliances around my house using X-10 modules, but have them controlled by my computer. I am aware of Mister Home, and it looks cool, but it doesn't seem to do what I am looking for. What I would like to do is call my computer, and via touch-tones control the X-10 devices. I have DSL, and NEVER use my home phone line. So if I hooked it up to a cheap $10 modem card, would it be possible to do this? An example might be to call home and turn on the AC on the way home from school by punching in *9. Or be able to call home as I am pulling out of the drive way in the morning to turn off the porch light by pushing *8. It seems to me that this is old technology, so it might already be out there - maybe even so old that no one knows about it any more. (Like Windows 3.1) Any pointers as to where to look would be greatly appreciated. -Mat Oh, I'm all over this. I had this working fantasically when I rented an apartment, but now that I bought a house, I haven't had the time to get it set up on a larger scale. You want to use Heyu, and basically everything can be controlled from cron or commands via ssh. I didn't have the phone part, as I was more happy with being able to ssh in and turn the module on or off. I also had motion sensors in the spare rooms, the hallway, the bathroom, and other seldom used rooms to turn the lights on and off. And I had the outside light controlled from the remote keychain. I programmed in an advanced feature for my then girlfriend, now wife that when she went to the bathroom after 11pm, the light would gradually brighten up to 50% and after she left it would dim back down to off. This was alot better for her eyes. I was also into homepower.com and was looking at saving money. Since this isn't anything to do with mythtv, feel free to email me off list and I'll gladly help you out all I can. -=/Thom -- -=/Thom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users I think that controlling home automation from a MythTV menu is a great Idea and should stay on the list. Keep replying to the list, but always find a way to tie it back in. Here's somethings that I'd like to see. 1. A home automation menu in MythTV, where you could get information from sensors or control modules placed around the house. this would open the gateway to... 2. A sensor that lets you know when the garage door is up. 3. A list on the lights that are currently on in the home. 4. A UI for setting crons that would turn on/off modules. -- Thank you for your time, --== R i c h a r d B r o n o s k y ==-- Nearly all viruses and spyware are designed to use Microsoft internet products. Protect yourself by avoiding Internet Explorer Outlook/Outlook Express. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
Include me in the wanna know more department. I'd love to do this kind of thing My wife might kill me, but what the heck, I might as well spend my remaining days in geek-heaven, right? --Phill Brad Fuller wrote: On 01:38 PM Thom Paine wrote: Since this isn't anything to do with mythtv, feel free to email me off list and I'll gladly help you out all I can. I'm interested though! Can you keep it on the list? Or, is there a list to monitor? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
Mat Kyne wrote: I have come to assume that the people that frequent this list have interests similar to my own. (The ever-persistent desire to make one thing do many things). So I am looking for some advice. I would like to automate various appliances around my house using X-10 modules, but have them controlled by my computer. I am aware of Mister Home, and it looks cool, but it doesn't seem to do what I am looking for. What I would like to do is call my computer, and via touch-tones control the X-10 devices. I have DSL, and NEVER use my home phone line. So if I hooked it up to a cheap $10 modem card, would it be possible to do this? An example might be to call home and turn on the AC on the way home from school by punching in *9. Or be able to call home as I am pulling out of the drive way in the morning to turn off the porch light by pushing *8. It seems to me that this is old technology, so it might already be out there - maybe even so old that no one knows about it any more. (Like Windows 3.1) Any pointers as to where to look would be greatly appreciated. -Mat Isn't this what http://www.plutohome.com is doing? Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
My nightly cron included (I didn't have a garage door ) a script to make sure appropriate lights were off, I'd make all the lights come on that were turned on with motion sensors brighten to 50% and dim back to 0%. The software would tell you the state of a given module with the status command. I had an 'away' routine (because of my guys night out crew but thats a different post) that would turn on and off certain lights in the house to make it look lived in, rather than one light coming on and staying on for several hours and then turn off. I would turn on a light in the living room starting at around 8:30pm in the summer. I'd let that run until about 10:30pm, then I would turn on the hall light for 10 minutes, and I'd have my bedroom light on the nighttable come on until 11:15. This simulated a night routine I normally would have. It was VERY effective, especially if I left my truck in the laneway. When I get home from work, I'll dig around and find all my old software. I had started writing preliminary docs trying to plan things like motion sensors and one for switches, and all kinds of things. Basically I used all the module numbers and letters in seperate areas to make good structure. -- -=/Thom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of PAUL WILLIAMSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/05 4:49 PM On 01:38 PM Thom Paine wrote: Since this isn't anything to do with mythtv, feel free to email me off list and I'll gladly help you out all I can. I'm interested though! Can you keep it on the list? Or, is there a list to monitor? I second the motion to keep it on list. Maybe a plugin that a user could dictate what type of HA desired? I know X-10 is out there (what I use, moving to some sort of Crestron deal), but I'm sure there are others...JDS Stargate, HAL, etc. Paul How about security cameras, with motion detection software initiating recordings? A good feature for MythTV! Richard. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
I once considered whether we should just look at adding a GUI to something like misterhouse (http://www.misterhouse.net ) rather than re-inventing everything. I looked at it briefly a while ago and it looked like it could do most things and maybe just needs a frontend launching some application or maybe just run the browser to it's web interface. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mythtv-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kuphal Sent: 11 October 2005 22:01 To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation Mat Kyne wrote: I have come to assume that the people that frequent this list have interests similar to my own. (The ever-persistent desire to make one thing do many things). So I am looking for some advice. I would like to automate various appliances around my house using X-10 modules, but have them controlled by my computer. I am aware of Mister Home, and it looks cool, but it doesn't seem to do what I am looking for. What I would like to do is call my computer, and via touch-tones control the X-10 devices. I have DSL, and NEVER use my home phone line. So if I hooked it up to a cheap $10 modem card, would it be possible to do this? An example might be to call home and turn on the AC on the way home from school by punching in *9. Or be able to call home as I am pulling out of the drive way in the morning to turn off the porch light by pushing *8. It seems to me that this is old technology, so it might already be out there - maybe even so old that no one knows about it any more. (Like Windows 3.1) Any pointers as to where to look would be greatly appreciated. -Mat Isn't this what http://www.plutohome.com is doing? Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
John Harvey wrote: I once considered whether we should just look at adding a GUI to something like misterhouse (http://www.misterhouse.net ) rather than re-inventing everything. I looked at it briefly a while ago and it looked like it could do most things and maybe just needs a frontend launching some application or maybe just run the browser to it's web interface. IIRC, plutohome integrates MythTV, Asterisk and Misterhouse into one package with some of their own stuff added in... Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 17:07, Simpson, Richard wrote: How about security cameras, with motion detection software initiating recordings? A good feature for MythTV! Take a look at zoneminder. http://www.zoneminder.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: MythTV Home Automation
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:12:04PM +0100, John Harvey wrote: I once considered whether we should just look at adding a GUI to something like misterhouse (http://www.misterhouse.net ) rather than re-inventing everything. I looked at it briefly a while ago and it looked like it could do most things and maybe just needs a frontend launching some application or maybe just run the browser to it's web interface. I was thinking along the same lines. I doubt I would want to stop a playback to see if the basement light was still on. If my frontend machine wasn't running (which is often the case) then checking via a MythTV menu would be more hassle than it's worth. It would be really nice to have X-10 control available as a mythweb module, however. That would allow me to check/control the X-10 hardware when I'm at work, etc. I'm sure there are already home-control web scripts, but having it integrated into myth means I only have to worry about one login and securing one portal. BTW, don't forget that with X-10 you will need to have a module at the circuit-breaker panel to allow devices on one phase to talk to devices on the other phase. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
