Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I find technical, devloper documentation for mythtv
On 7/18/05, Bob Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 July 2005 05:55 am, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > You might try to use the tools available to you to try to help > > yourself before bemoaing the lack of information. (like searching the > > mailing list archives) > > Is there an easier way to search the archives rather than searching each > month? There must be a better way. When you signed up for this mailing list the text on the webpage said: "MythTV-users -- a place for users to discuss hardware setups, configuration, etc. Less on-topic than mythtv-dev (hopefully). Here is the mailing list archive for MythTV-users."... There were two links in that sentence. The second link takes you to gossamer threads > Despite that, I really think that site should be in the web links page at > mythtv. It is mostly installation, but I do see some useful things there, and > that's probably where I can contribute a bit to the technical documentation > as I learn more. Seacrh the mailing list for "Wiki" sometime to get an idea for why it's not. > If asking where I might find technical info, why it would be valuable, and how > I might contribute to it, is moaning, I'm glad there's a lot of moaning on > this site. A little orientation can help people become contributors to > mythtv. But if you don' feel like doing that, just don't. Life goes on. "Bemoan" is different from "moan" bemoan: deplore; regret strongly; groan: an utterance expressing pain or disapproval The problem with "orientating" people is that people don't even bother to try and help themeselves first before asking questions. Every single developer on this project trys to be helpful to those that have demonstrated that they've tried to help themselves. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I find technical, devloper documentation for mythtv
On Friday 15 July 2005 05:55 am, Donavan Stanley wrote: > On 7/14/05, Bob Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 July 2005 03:10 pm, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > > I had high hopes for the wiki when it started. But it pretty much > > > turned into yet another install guide. > > > > wiki? Where? I didn't see that on the mythtv website. Maybe mutiple, > > targeted wikis might work better. > > You might try to use the tools available to you to try to help > yourself before bemoaing the lack of information. (like searching the > mailing list archives) Is there an easier way to search the archives rather than searching each month? There must be a better way. > Hell a google for "MythTV Documentation" turns > up the unofficial wiki as the second hit. A thousand apologies for not googling (actually, I prefer dogpile since google seems to filter certain political content, which brought it up on page 2) for the wiki before casually asking for the URL. I've come across the site earlier, but I didn't find anything useful for what I was doing at that time, and didn't make the connection when you mentioned the wiki. Since you mentioned it, I asked where it was. If you felt that was too lazy on my part, why make more work for yourself by actually doing the search and responding? Despite that, I really think that site should be in the web links page at mythtv. It is mostly installation, but I do see some useful things there, and that's probably where I can contribute a bit to the technical documentation as I learn more. If asking where I might find technical info, why it would be valuable, and how I might contribute to it, is moaning, I'm glad there's a lot of moaning on this site. A little orientation can help people become contributors to mythtv. But if you don' feel like doing that, just don't. Life goes on. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I find technical, devloper documentation for mythtv
On 7/14/05, Bob Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 July 2005 03:10 pm, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > I had high hopes for the wiki when it started. But it pretty much > > turned into yet another install guide. > wiki? Where? I didn't see that on the mythtv website. Maybe mutiple, targeted > wikis might work better. > You might try to use the tools available to you to try to help yourself before bemoaing the lack of information. (like searching the mailing list archives) Hell a google for "MythTV Documentation" turns up the unofficial wiki as the second hit. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I find technical, devloper documentation for mythtv
On Thursday 14 July 2005 03:10 pm, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > For example, I'd like to figure out what are the databases that mythtv > > uses, and what's in them? Mysql is used to store a lot of info, but when > > trying to dump the info to move to a new system, I got nothing (I did get > > some help, though, which I haven't finished trying yet). Without some > > understanding of the databases, when things don't work as you expect, > > you're stuck (unless you start probing the code, of course). > > Then you apparently didn't follow the directions in the doc on how to > back up your database. Mysql is used to store everything. > Actually, I did, but the documentation isn't accurate for newer versions of mysqldump. See the subject " Getting database info to a new backend" for that info. But it doesn't negate the point that it'd be nice to know why we do things, rather than just how. > > I had high hopes for the wiki when it started. But it pretty much > turned into yet another install guide. wiki? Where? I didn't see that on the mythtv website. Maybe mutiple, targeted wikis might work better. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where can I find technical, devloper documentation for mythtv
On 7/13/05, Bob Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 July 2005 04:32 am, Derek Battams wrote: > > > > P.S. Is there technical/developer documentation somewhere describing > > things like the database schema, the client/server protocol, overall > > architecture, etc.? I've started to read the code a little here and there > > and feel I could contribute fixes for this and the mythweb bug I came > > across yesterday, but it'd be much easier/quicker to jump in if I could get > > an understanding of how all the source goes together. > > Your PS should probably be a separate subject, so I'll make it one. It's an > excellent question. The Docs on the website give great info on how to > install, setup mythtv, but there's little about the underlying workings. A > lot of people know this info as evidenced by all the plugins and development > activity, but I don't know if it has been written down. The code is the documentation for the code. There's been some preliminary work on doxygen style documentation but that's about it. > For example, I'd like to figure out what are the databases that mythtv uses, > and what's in them? Mysql is used to store a lot of info, but when trying to > dump the info to move to a new system, I got nothing (I did get some help, > though, which I haven't finished trying yet). Without some understanding of > the databases, when things don't work as you expect, you're stuck (unless you > start probing the code, of course). Then you apparently didn't follow the directions in the doc on how to back up your database. Mysql is used to store everything. > How about the plugin architecture? I'm going to put my backend on a separate > system. When I install plugins, do I need to install them on each frontend, > or do they go onto the backend too? I'm sure I'll figure this out when I get > there, but it'd be great if there were some details I could peruse to > understand this better. The backend doesn't use plugins so that's an easy question. > I wish I could write this myself, but for now, it'd be great if people could > point me (us) somewhere. Hopefully I'd be answering more questions, and > asking fewer (hopefully). I had high hopes for the wiki when it started. But it pretty much turned into yet another install guide. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
