Re: [Nagios-users] Looking for an alternative user interface with more advanced features

2010-06-14 Thread Matt Simmons
Do you mean that you can't do it if you go to Services or Hosts, or
you mean that you really do want to disable notifications and downtime
for *truly* random hosts? Because I don't think there's a whole lot of
use cases matching that.

--Matt


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Trisha Hoang  wrote:
> Hi,
> There are times when I need to disable notifications or submit downtime for
> *random* hosts/services that don't belong to any particular
> hostgroups/servicegroups, and the standard Nagios UI doesn't have this kind
> of feature.
> Would you recommend some tools out there that are stable, easy to install,
> easy to use, that have some of the more advanced features?
> Thank you.
> Trisha
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[Nagios-users] Looking for an alternative user interface with more advanced features

2010-06-14 Thread Trisha Hoang
Hi,
There are times when I need to disable notifications or submit downtime for
*random* hosts/services that don't belong to any particular
hostgroups/servicegroups, and the standard Nagios UI doesn't have this kind
of feature.
Would you recommend some tools out there that are stable, easy to install,
easy to use, that have some of the more advanced features?
Thank you.
Trisha
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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Roderick A. Anderson
Giorgio Zarrelli wrote:
> You are right, I took one post I wrote here and I added some details.  
> Now I am on the couch waiting for dinner but tomorrow I hope I can  
> help you.

No big worry.  I'm sure your web page will provide all I need.  Enjoy 
dinner.


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> Ciao,
> 
> Giorgio
> 
> Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 19.22, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
>   > ha scritto:
> 
>> Giorgio Zarrelli wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> have a look at my little 2 cents on escalations, it will show you how
>>> the checks timings and notification work.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.zarrelli.org/blog/2010/04/26/nagios-notification-escalations-made-easy/
>> Thanks. I now remember a (your?) your posting about this but I had
>> forgotten it while I was researching.  This also it adds some more
>> knowledge that I can use for what I would like to accomplish.
>> "Bothersome alerts for the first hour then move to a really annoying
>> alert interval after that.  :-)"
>>
>>
>> \\||/
>> Rod
>> --
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> Giorgio
>>>
>>> Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 17.03, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
>>> >>> ha scritto:
 My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(

 I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of  
 service
 definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first
 try
 (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until
 the
 check/alert clears.

 Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I
 should
 be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.


 TIA,
 Rod
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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Giorgio Zarrelli
You are right, I took one post I wrote here and I added some details.  
Now I am on the couch waiting for dinner but tomorrow I hope I can  
help you.

Ciao,

Giorgio

Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 19.22, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
 ha scritto:

> Giorgio Zarrelli wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> have a look at my little 2 cents on escalations, it will show you how
>> the checks timings and notification work.
>>
>>
>> http://www.zarrelli.org/blog/2010/04/26/nagios-notification-escalations-made-easy/
>
> Thanks. I now remember a (your?) your posting about this but I had
> forgotten it while I was researching.  This also it adds some more
> knowledge that I can use for what I would like to accomplish.
> "Bothersome alerts for the first hour then move to a really annoying
> alert interval after that.  :-)"
>
>
> \\||/
> Rod
> --
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Giorgio
>>
>> Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 17.03, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
>> >> ha scritto:
>>
>>> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>>>
>>> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of  
>>> service
>>> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first
>>> try
>>> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until
>>> the
>>> check/alert clears.
>>>
>>> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I
>>> should
>>> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Rod
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>>>
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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Roderick A. Anderson
Giorgio Zarrelli wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> have a look at my little 2 cents on escalations, it will show you how  
> the checks timings and notification work.
> 
> 
> http://www.zarrelli.org/blog/2010/04/26/nagios-notification-escalations-made-easy/

Thanks. I now remember a (your?) your posting about this but I had 
forgotten it while I was researching.  This also it adds some more 
knowledge that I can use for what I would like to accomplish. 
"Bothersome alerts for the first hour then move to a really annoying 
alert interval after that.  :-)"


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> 
> Giorgio
> 
> Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 17.03, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
>   > ha scritto:
> 
>> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>>
>> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service
>> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first  
>> try
>> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until  
>> the
>> check/alert clears.
>>
>> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I  
>> should
>> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> TIA,
>> Rod
>> -- 
>>
>>
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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Giorgio Zarrelli
Hi,

have a look at my little 2 cents on escalations, it will show you how  
the checks timings and notification work.


http://www.zarrelli.org/blog/2010/04/26/nagios-notification-escalations-made-easy/

Ciao,

Giorgio

Il giorno 14/giu/2010, alle ore 17.03, "Roderick A. Anderson" 
 ha scritto:

> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>
> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service
> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first  
> try
> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until  
> the
> check/alert clears.
>
> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I  
> should
> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> TIA,
> Rod
> -- 
>
>
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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Roderick A. Anderson
Martin Merlin wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:03, Roderick A. Anderson
>  wrote:
>> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>>
>> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service
>> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first try
>> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until the
>> check/alert clears.
>>
>> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I should
>> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> From http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/objectdefinitions.html#service

Thanks Martin.

No sure if I'd made it to this page.  "The Book" is a little brief in 
it's description.

> max_check_attempts:This directive is used to define the number of
> times that Nagios will retry the service check command if it returns
> any state other than an OK state. Setting this value to 1 will cause
> Nagios to generate an alert without retrying the service check again.

OK.  This makes sense.  (Whack one!)

> notification_interval: This directive is used to define the number of
> "time units" to wait before re-notifying a contact that this service
> is still in a non-OK state. Unless you've changed the interval_length
> directive from the default value of 60, this number will mean minutes.
> If you set this value to 0, Nagios will not re-notify contacts about
> problems for this service - only one problem notification will be sent
> out.

This too makes sense and again "The Book" is a little too brief in it's 
description.

> This should be enough to get you up and running :-)

I'll try it today.

> If you still have problems, post your config to the list.

I will if needed but it has nothing out of the ordinary.  Uses the 
'generic_service' template from a CentOS 5.x install of Nagios 3.0.6 
plus check_interval of 5 (minutes).  Nothing else special.  (3.2.1 from 
Rpmforge will be coming in a week or so.)


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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Martin Melin
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:03, Roderick A. Anderson
 wrote:
>
> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>
> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service
> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first try
> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until the
> check/alert clears.
>
> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I should
> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.

From http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/objectdefinitions.html#service

max_check_attempts:This directive is used to define the number of
times that Nagios will retry the service check command if it returns
any state other than an OK state. Setting this value to 1 will cause
Nagios to generate an alert without retrying the service check again.

notification_interval:   This directive is used to define the number of
"time units" to wait before re-notifying a contact that this service
is still in a non-OK state. Unless you've changed the interval_length
directive from the default value of 60, this number will mean minutes.
If you set this value to 0, Nagios will not re-notify contacts about
problems for this service - only one problem notification will be sent
out.

This should be enough to get you up and running :-)

If you still have problems, post your config to the list.

Regards
Martin Melin

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Re: [Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Assaf Flatto
Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(
>
> I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service 
> definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first try 
> (no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until the 
> check/alert clears.
>
> Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I should 
> be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> TIA,
> Rod
>   
What it your service definition ( template and service ) ?
what is your escalation path ?
and what is the alerts definitions of the contact ?

Please post those details so we may help you .

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[Nagios-users] [Q] Service config, go critical:HARD; Alert every 5 minutes until non-critical

2010-06-14 Thread Roderick A. Anderson
My Nagios foo must leave a lot to be desired.  8-(

I have not been able to figure out the correct combination of service 
definition settings to get a check to go CRITICAL:HARD on the first try 
(no SOFT alerts), and keep sending alerts (every five minutes) until the 
check/alert clears.

Either the complete answer or a clue-stick whack (the settings I should 
be looking at) would be greatly appreciated.


TIA,
Rod
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