Re: [Nagios-users] server log plugin
Thank you Claudio. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachment(s) are solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) identified above and may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, or confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, retransmit, or otherwise use this message or any attachment. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Claudio Kuenzler wrote: > This one is probably the best one: > http://labs.consol.de/lang/en/nagios/check_logfiles/ > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Parkman, Mikhail > wrote: > I need to perform the following tasks: > > > > · Demonstrated that Nagios alert is fired when certain messages are logged > in the application log file on the target (remote) host > > · Nagios "info message" is fired when error condition is cleared. > > > > I found out “logwarn” plugin but I didn’t find detailed configuration > instructions for this plugin. > > > > http://exchange.nagios.org/directory/Plugins/Log-Files/check_logwarn/details > > > > And another one – “check_logfiles” – this one is described better in my > opinion but referring to something called OPSVIEW that I don’t have any idea > about. > > > > http://www.osupport.net/2011/log-files-monitoring-with-nagios-opsview/ > > > > > > Did somebody have experience with well documented “check log” plugin, and > could recommend one so that the functionality of the recommended plugin > matches bulleted tasks in the beginning of this email that I have to > accomplish? > > > > Thanks. > > Mikhail. > > > > > -- > Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to > monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second > resolution app monitoring today. Free. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev > ___ > Nagios-users mailing list > Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users > ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting > any issue. > ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null > > -- > Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to > monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second > resolution app monitoring today. Free. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev > ___ > Nagios-users mailing list > Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users > ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting > any issue. > ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] server log plugin
This one is probably the best one: http://labs.consol.de/lang/en/nagios/check_logfiles/ On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Parkman, Mikhail < mikhail_park...@cable.comcast.com> wrote: > I need to perform the following tasks: > > ** ** > > · Demonstrated that Nagios alert is fired when certain messages are > logged in the application log file on the target (remote) host > > · Nagios "info message" is fired when error condition is cleared. > > ** ** > > I found out “logwarn” plugin but I didn’t find detailed configuration > instructions for this plugin. > > ** ** > > > http://exchange.nagios.org/directory/Plugins/Log-Files/check_logwarn/details > > > ** ** > > And another one – “check_logfiles” – this one is described better in my > opinion but referring to something called OPSVIEW that I don’t have any > idea about. > > ** ** > > http://www.osupport.net/2011/log-files-monitoring-with-nagios-opsview/ > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Did somebody have experience with well documented “check log” plugin, and > could recommend one so that the functionality of the recommended plugin > matches bulleted tasks in the beginning of this email that I have to > accomplish? > > ** ** > > Thanks. > > Mikhail. > > ** ** > > > -- > Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to > monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second > resolution app monitoring today. Free. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev > ___ > Nagios-users mailing list > Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users > ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when > reporting any issue. > ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null > -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
[Nagios-users] Nagios checks for failed login attempts on tomcat web-applications
Here is my question. I have nagios setup and running on a Ubuntu Server. Kernel version is: 2.6.31-22-generic i686 system. I've noticed on the access_logs several failed log in attempts from a foreign ip address to one of our web-applications. How can I make nagios do a check for failed log in attempts to my applications and send me an e-mail notification if there are more than 5 consecutive ones? Thanks for your help. Miguel. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
[Nagios-users] server log plugin
I need to perform the following tasks: * Demonstrated that Nagios alert is fired when certain messages are logged in the application log file on the target (remote) host * Nagios "info message" is fired when error condition is cleared. I found out "logwarn" plugin but I didn't find detailed configuration instructions for this plugin. http://exchange.nagios.org/directory/Plugins/Log-Files/check_logwarn/details And another one - "check_logfiles" - this one is described better in my opinion but referring to something called OPSVIEW that I don't have any idea about. http://www.osupport.net/2011/log-files-monitoring-with-nagios-opsview/ Did somebody have experience with well documented "check log" plugin, and could recommend one so that the functionality of the recommended plugin matches bulleted tasks in the beginning of this email that I have to accomplish? Thanks. Mikhail. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks
Hi, that's right. My words were just an advice. Ciao, Giorgio Il giorno 05/apr/2012, alle ore 16:42, Sven Nierlein ha scritto: > On 05.04.2012 09:43, Giorgio Zarrelli wrote: >> I usa gearman as well, nice stuff. But it lacks of authentication so it's >> fairly unsecure. > > 1. It's up to you to use ssh or iptables or whatever solution you prefer to > make it secure. > 2. Mod-Gearman uses encrypted communication, if thats not enough, see 1. > > Sven > > -- > Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to > monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second > resolution app monitoring today. Free. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev > ___ > Nagios-users mailing list > Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users > ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting > any issue. > ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] R: use_large_installation_tweaks
On 04/05/2012 04:20 PM, Marco Borsani wrote: > I am testing it on 3 different nagios systems. > > It seems very good regarding latency, nothing change in execution_time. > It's not supposed to change anything in execution time. What happens in the plugins is not for Nagios core to control, even if we could. > I wonder if configuring " use_large_installation_tweaks=1" I can find > problems in other part of the monitoring... > Maybe, but I doubt it. It will give Nagios a little less to do, so that you can give it a little more to do and still stay the same, or so that the hardware can cope with the load you're throwing at it. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.erics...@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] Monitor disk space on Sun Solaris
I use the command check disk command this way. I check against the filesystem and not the mount point. The way it will show me the percent free also, I have listed this blelow. Ed /apps/nrpe/2.0/libexec/check_disk -w 8% -c 5% -p /dev/vx/dsk/t31-ess/apps DISK OK [6257755 kB (23%) free on /dev/vx/dsk/t31-ess/apps] tsts31 @ /apps/nrpe/2.0/libexec > df -k /apps Filesystemkbytesused avail capacity Mounted on /dev/vx/dsk/t31-ess/apps 27238400 20709575 625775577%/apps From: James Pratt [mailto:jpr...@norwich.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:28 PM To: Nagios Users List Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] MOnitor disk space on Sun Solaris There is always this too - I use these plugins extensively (alas, I'm out of solaris boxes for a few years now sorry)!, as snmp checks need minimal client setup compared to nrpe etc etc http://nagios.manubulon.com/snmp_storage.html From: Theo Bogatsu [mailto:theo.boga...@mascom.bw] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:46 AM To: 'nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net' Subject: [Nagios-users] MOnitor disk space on Sun Solaris Hi I'm trying to monitor disk space on my Sun solaris server, I want it to give me a warning when it reaches 80% usage and critical when over 90%. I have used the below plugin: check_disk with these arguments: --w 20% -c 10% -p /opt/ But on the status information I get a: DISK OK - free space: / 128187 MB (93% inode=98%) I'm expecting to see output similar to the output of df -kh (when run on the server) which currently is: Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s5 19G 6.8G12G36%/opt So in essence I think there should be like 64% free disk space?? Please HELP. Regards -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks
On 05.04.2012 09:43, Giorgio Zarrelli wrote: > I usa gearman as well, nice stuff. But it lacks of authentication so it's > fairly unsecure. 1. It's up to you to use ssh or iptables or whatever solution you prefer to make it secure. 2. Mod-Gearman uses encrypted communication, if thats not enough, see 1. Sven -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
[Nagios-users] R: use_large_installation_tweaks
I am testing it on 3 different nagios systems. It seems very good regarding latency, nothing change in execution_time. I wonder if configuring " use_large_installation_tweaks=1" I can find problems in other part of the monitoring... Regards -Messaggio originale- Da: C. Bensend [mailto:be...@bennyvision.com] Inviato: mercoledì 4 aprile 2012 17:18 A: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks > Does anyone has configured it ? > > Is it really a good way to follow to reduce memory usage ? For me, it was a good way to reduce memory and CPU, and it helped with check latencies. Although, the absolute best way to reduce check latencies for me has been to dump NDOUtils. Good lord, that was awful, had to restart Nagios three times a week. Benny -- "The problem with quotes on the internet is that it's very hard to verify their authenticity." -- Abraham Lincoln -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks
On 04/04/2012 04:46 PM, Marco Borsani wrote: > Hi all > > > > Does anyone has configured it ? > Yes. > Is it really a good way to follow to reduce memory usage ? > Not really, but it's a good way to reduce cpu usage and complexity of the active codepath, since it makes Nagios leave a lot of cleaning up to the kernel, and it removes a lot of work that has to be done prior to each check. For memory usage, large_installation_tweaks does very little. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.erics...@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] R: use_large_installation_tweaks
On 04/05/2012 10:18 AM, Marco Borsani wrote: > We don't use NDOutils. > > We have two kind of performance problem: > 1) day-by-day - some Nagios servers have many services configured that can > be heavy for the HW > 2) trouble with main Nagios server - the other Nagios servers that send to > the main the passive results (via nsca) , due to the stop of the main server > become very slow > Try out merlin instead of NSCA. It's far more efficient at passing checks between servers than NSCA. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.erics...@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] Any upcoming release?
On 04/05/2012 07:31 AM, Yu Watanabe wrote: > Hi all! > > I would like to know if there are any plans for the nagios v 3.4.x. > It has been a while since the last release so I was very curious about it. > > It would helpful if the nagios team can share the information. > There is. Nagios 3.4 will be a single-threaded and event-driven application that sports an I/O-broker and vastly improved check performance. In essence, we've removed 2 fork() calls, 4 disk searches, 2 filewrites and 2 filereads from each check being performed. There's also a fixed usage of the current scheduling queue implementation which turns scheduling new checks from its current O(n) behaviour to O(1). This will provide a huge benefit for large installations, and combined with the worker process code we're currently seeing a 12-fold increase in the amount of checks Nagios can execute, but it's still too early to tell what other things are affected. The external command pipe might be a bottleneck if one uses large amounts of passive checks, for example. It's currently in late alpha, so beta releases should be available in a month or so. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.erics...@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war on peace. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
[Nagios-users] R: use_large_installation_tweaks
We don't use NDOutils. We have two kind of performance problem: 1) day-by-day - some Nagios servers have many services configured that can be heavy for the HW 2) trouble with main Nagios server - the other Nagios servers that send to the main the passive results (via nsca) , due to the stop of the main server become very slow Marco -Messaggio originale- Da: C. Bensend [mailto:be...@bennyvision.com] Inviato: mercoledì 4 aprile 2012 17:18 A: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net Oggetto: Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks > Does anyone has configured it ? > > Is it really a good way to follow to reduce memory usage ? For me, it was a good way to reduce memory and CPU, and it helped with check latencies. Although, the absolute best way to reduce check latencies for me has been to dump NDOUtils. Good lord, that was awful, had to restart Nagios three times a week. Benny -- "The problem with quotes on the internet is that it's very hard to verify their authenticity." -- Abraham Lincoln -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
[Nagios-users] status.cgi 500 error
Hello guys! We have problems with nagios classic web interface. Often there is an error 500 when accessing status.cgi. FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p6 amd64 nagios-3.3.1 In the server logs: Premature end of script headers: status.cgi In dmesg: pid PIDN (status.cgi), uid 80: exited on signal 11 gdb provides the following information: Core was generated by `status.cgi'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 mmap_fgets (temp_mmapfile=0x800a12820) at ../common/shared.c:181 181 ../common/shared.c: No such file or directory. in ../common/shared.c (gdb) bt #0 mmap_fgets (temp_mmapfile=0x800a12820) at ../common/shared.c:181 Cannot access memory at address 0x7fffe608 (gdb) p *temp_mmapfile $1 = {path = 0x800a12850 "/var/spool/nagios/rw/objects.cache", mode = 0, fd = 3, file_size = 16177628, current_position = 9226716, current_line = 343025, mmap_buf = 0x800c0} The file objects.cache is updated quite frequently, because we often (10-20 times everyday) change config. The file is located on the ramdisk. The size of the disk is much higher than the file size. Is there any patch that prevents mapping of the objects.cache file in the memory? -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null
Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks
I usa gearman as well, nice stuff. But it lacks of authentication so it's fairly unsecure. You can use mklivestatus as a broker to notify nagios status check to 3rd part applications. Ciao, Giorgio Il giorno 05/apr/2012, alle ore 08:53, MAD ha scritto: > On 04/04/2012 10:47 PM, Daniel Wittenberg wrote: >> We did the same, too much over from NDO to justify any benefit. >> >> Dan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: C. Bensend [mailto:be...@bennyvision.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:18 AM >> To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] use_large_installation_tweaks >> >> >>> Does anyone has configured it ? >>> >>> Is it really a good way to follow to reduce memory usage ? >> For me, it was a good way to reduce memory and CPU, and it helped >> with check latencies. >> >> Although, the absolute best way to reduce check latencies for me >> has been to dump NDOUtils. Good lord, that was awful, had to restart >> Nagios three times a week. >> >> Benny >> >> > We use the Gearman module > (http://labs.consol.de/lang/en/nagios/mod-gearman/) to distribute the > load over several servers, and we still use NDOUtils for now but we had > to tune the MySQL database and we stopped dumping some of the data that > are useless to us. > > Marc-André > > -- > Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to > monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second > resolution app monitoring today. Free. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev > ___ > Nagios-users mailing list > Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users > ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting > any issue. > ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Nagios-users mailing list Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-users ::: Please include Nagios version, plugin version (-v) and OS when reporting any issue. ::: Messages without supporting info will risk being sent to /dev/null