Re: [Nagios-users] TWO instances of Nagios on one server - possib le?

2007-01-24 Thread John Longland
 

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Subject: [Nagios-users] TWO instances of Nagios on one server - possible?


Hi everyone,

Would it be possible to run two instances on Nagios on one machine?
The server would be Debian (with Apache).
I want one Nagios instance to monitor one lot of hosts and the other to
monitor a different lot of computers and they should be independent of each
other. 
How would I go about doing this?
Simply installing Nagios in two different locations and making Apache server
each?

Thanks
Semir

[John Longland] 
 
Semir
 
I agree with the other posts. I don;t know your system / setup, but I would
suggest your consider
using different log-files for the 2 instances. I *accidently* ran more than
one server at some stage
and it caused havoc in my particular setup. You could'nt make out what was
going on when
reading the archive / log entries.
 
Just a suggestion  ;-)
 
Best !
John 

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Re: [Nagios-users] Nagios memory Leaks

2007-01-23 Thread John Longland


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Subject: [Nagios-users] Nagios memory Leaks


Dear Sir,

I am writing to thank you for your valuable letter and say, 

 
> From: Tobias Klausmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Nagios-users] Memory leaks
> 
> Hi! 
> 
> (First off: if this should also go to nagios-devel, just yell at
>  me.)
>

I don't think so because it deals with the aspects of the implementation
that
are visible (and in fact, the letter doesn't propose detailed
solutions).
 
> Nagios 2.6 and 2.5 have memory leaks. They are not that big that
> within hours your machine will be swapping, but they degrade
> performance in other ways.
> 
> First off, their approximate extent.
> 
> 2.5 and 2.6 without perl cache have the smallest memory leaks. A
> fairly busy Nagios server (hardware quoted below) with about 3000
> services on about 330 hosts will degrade from 330M used (that's
> *not* Nagios alone) to 368M used in about 16 hours. Or about 2.4
> MB per hour. The very same machine behaves neutral if Nagios is
> not running, so it's definitely Nagios itself.

Do you mean: 2.5 and 2.6 Nagios with embedded Perl but without the
Perl plugin cache option ?

If so, the fault is not Nagios, but the embedded Perl implementation and
or Perl.

Your next paragraph suggest that this is plain vanilla Nagios without
any Perl options to configure.

Is that correct ?

> 
> Activating the embedded Perl interpreter and -cache will increase
> the amount of lost memory to about 5-6M per hour. In this case,
> however, sometimes the memory usage snaps back, i.e. some of the
> lost memory is collected. I've not yet found out what triggers
> the reclaim. Still, over the course of hours, more and more
> memory is lost. Still, it's roughly linear memory loss.
> 

I have never witnessed memory being reclaimed after ePN leaks it.

I can't conceive of the process memory size being reduced while the
process is running (free() and friends only return the memory to the
process
heap).

I think the leak is caused by the ePN implementation. I a hoping to
trying
some measurements with several pilot implementations to see what is the
most 
promising way of doing this.

... (snip)

Yep. I agree. The leak is bad.


> The question that remains is, if this can (and will) be tackled
> before 3.0 is released. A related question is if Nagios 3 will be
> prone to the same problem.
> 

Certainly it will if the current ePN implementation remains.

If (pretty big if) I can provide you stuff to try are you willing
to repeat your measurements on candidate implementations (wrt 2.5 or
2.6 code base) ?

I am not sure of my willingness/energy quotient but if they look Ok,
I may not have anything to show until March this year.

> Any thoughts, ideas etc. are appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Tobias

Yours sincerely.



Morning !!


I have been reading with interest about these memory leaks.
I see you mention 2.5 & 2.6.
Does this happen with 2.4 as well ??

Thanks !!!
John


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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed Monitoring

2007-01-22 Thread John Longland
Yes you can.
 
Do a google for distributed monitoring.
 
Basically it caomes down to having the one nagios configured as a slave.
It then passes all its info to the main Nagios. The services that are
monitored
on the slave nagios, are configured as "passive" on the main Nagios., but
the
data is still displayed with all the other "active" check-data on the same
screen.
 
One thing that I did:
Because the data from the slave gets passed on NOT on request but passively,
if the slave nagios dies, the main will not know about it. So my
slave-nagios is actively checked
with a ping by the main-nagios.
 
John

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Subject: [Nagios-users] Distributed Monitoring



Dears,

I have one nagios server working in my company, and I need
to add another nagios server to monitor another servers in other subnets,

I don't know if there's any solution to have 2 nagios servers(1 central
nagios) and 1 monitor screen... it's mean the second server will send all
check results to the central nagios.

 

 

Thank you in advance

Moayad Mohammad

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[Nagios-users] Adding buttons

2007-01-17 Thread John Longland
Hi all !!!

a Hearty 2007 to all !!!


My Nagios system is standing in our call-center and I have a few
servers spread out over a few venues. At one of the distant locations,
I have a DNS server and at certain times I need to have an operator
trigger some scripts on this DNS server. What I was hoping to do
is add a button ( on the left-panel perhaps ) of my nagios screen.
The operator must then click this and this can be used to trigger
the scripts on the DNS server.

Is there a way of adding buttons to the nagios display ??

Thanks 
John
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Re: [Nagios-users] Nagios not executing sms script

2007-01-12 Thread John Longland
I would suggest you put the script in /usr/local/nagios/libexec.
This is where I put my script ( I also wrote my own script
to do the SMS-ing ).
Nagios dopes not have permissions into the /root -DIR.

John

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Subject: [Nagios-users] Nagios not executing sms script


Hi all I have written my own sms script for notifications

The script works 100%

When I execute it manualy.
But when I ask nagios to execute the script I get the following error
in my log file.

Jan 11 17:09:06 nagios-0 nagios: Warning: Attempting to execute the
command "/root/sms.rb -m "* Nagios 2.6 *\n\nNotification Type:
RECOVERY\n\nService: HTTP\nHost: 196.23.28.207\nAddress:
10.0.4.19\nState: OK\n\nDate/Time: Thu Jan 11 17:09:06 SAST
2007\n\nAdditional Info:\n\nHTTP OK HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 235 bytes in
0.002 seconds"" resulted in a return code of 126.  Make sure the
script or binary you are trying to execute actually exists...

The script does exist.

nagios-0 ~ # ls -la /root/sms.rb
-rwxrwxrwx  1 nobody nobody 750 Jan 11 16:52 sms.rb

This is how I also added the script into the commands.cfg file

# 'notify-by-sms' command definition
define command{
command_namenotify-by-sms
command_line/root/sms.rb -m "* Nagios 2.6
*\n\nNotification Type: $NOTIFICATIONTYPE$\n\nService:
$SERVICEDESC
$\nHost: $HOSTALIAS$\nAddress: $HOSTADDRESS$\nState:
$SERVICESTATE$\n\nDate/Time: $LONGDATETIME$\n\nAdditional
Info:\n\n$SERVICEOUTP
UT$"
}

# 'notify-by-sms' command definition
define command{
command_namehost-notify-by-sms
command_line/usr/bin/sms.rb -m "* Nagios 2.6
*\n\nNotification Type: $NOTIFICATIONTYPE$\nHost:
$HOSTNAME$\nState
: $HOSTSTATE$\nAddress: $HOSTADDRESS$\nInfo:
$HOSTOUTPUT$\n\nDate/Time: $LONGDATETIME$\n"
   }

Thank you

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[Nagios-users] New condiguration not loading

2006-12-19 Thread John Longland
Hi all !!!

Just saw something very weird for the first time since I have installed my
distributed
Nagios system ( 2.4 ). ( Running on CentOS4.0 )

I needed to take out 2 hosts. But after taking them out of my minimal.cfg
and
restarting nagios, I still see that these hosts are been scanned !
Do I need to remove another file ??

Thanks !
John
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Re: [Nagios-users] (no subject)

2006-12-06 Thread John Longland
Yip !!

.htaccess was in the wrong DIR !!
( John hits himself on the head with a wet fish !! )

Thanks
John

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, John Longland wrote:

> Wanting to get Nagvis going with my Nagios-system.
>
> I have installed it as they explain. When I hit it with my browser,
> it does display half the page but complains about a username that
> I have not supplied. And yet, it never asks me for one.

Sounds like you need to fix your apache config to do the authentication 
properly as described in step 0.

Hugo.

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[Nagios-users] (no subject)

2006-12-05 Thread John Longland
Hi all !!!

Wanting to get Nagvis going with my Nagios-system.

I have installed it as they explain. When I hit it with my browser,
it does display half the page but complains about a username that
I have not supplied. And yet, it never asks me for one.

Has someone else hit this snag ???

Thanks !!
John
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[Nagios-users] Check process

2006-11-28 Thread John Longland
Hi all !!!

Just been looking at the plugins in my ../libexec-DIR. ( I have Nagios 2.4
runing )

I found something to work with , but it looks like "the-long-way"
Would like to put my problem together with a possible solution.
Would like to know if there is a better way.


Problem:

I have a distributed Nagios system : One master; one slave.
The master nagios is also my master time-server
The slave-nagios is also my slave-time-server.
I need to check the tnp-procs on both the servers.


Possible solution:
I see that there is a check_procs  plugin. This however, only checks
processes on the local machine. I can check for the ntp proc:
( On the master ) : check_procs -a ntpd
With this command I cannot check if ntp is running on my slave-nagios.
To do this, I'd have to define a new service-check on the main nagios,
accepting
info from the slave-nagios about the ntpd-service running there.

This seems very cumbersome.

I also see that there is a check_ntp, but this checks clock accuracies etc
which 
I don't want at this stage. I just need to know if the ntpd is running.

Is there a way I can check a proc on another machine ??

Thanks !
JOhn




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Re: [Nagios-users] Can only monitor localhost

2006-11-27 Thread John Longland
 

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Subject: [Nagios-users] Can only monitor localhost


I have installed Nagios 2.5 and everything seems OK except that the only
host I can monitor is the localhost. I have added 2 other hosts to the
configuration files, and although I see all 3 hosts in the "dashboard" it is
only my localhost that is beeing monitored under all 3 hosts. (I can tell as
the results for disk-space use, number of users and processors is identical
for all 3 hosts, although I know that my disksize on each of the 3 hosts is
different) 



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Which plugin did you use ?
As far as I know, some of the plugins only checks the local system !
 
John 

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[Nagios-users] statusmap background

2006-11-22 Thread John Longland
Hi all


Would like to change my 3D-display. Want to see if a white background
doesn't make the display look a bit better. I generated a .png file that
just
is "white".  Loaded it onto my nagios machine and converted it to .gd2
with /usr/bin/pngtogd2


/usr/bin/pngtogd2 blank.png blank.gd2 0 1

It created the gd2-file and I modified cgi.cfg and entered "blank.gd2" at
statusmap_backrground.

Restarted nagios and browsed to the 3D-dislay. Stil black !!!

Does this setting ONLY refer to the "statusmap" or would it change the
3D-status background as well ??

Thanks !
JOhn
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[Nagios-users] 3D-display on Nagios

2006-11-16 Thread John Longland
Hi all 


I'd like to use the 3D display on Nagios in my call-center.
Got the basic display going and I can change the structure
( circle , tree etc )

2 Questions.

1. I'd like to change to the type where I supply the coordinates.
I have done the following:
 Created /usr/local/nagios/etc/hostextinfo.cfg containing entries for my
hosts
define hostextinfo{
host_name
icon_image
.
.   
3D-coords
}

Entered the following line in /usr/local/nagios/etc/cgi.cfg
xedtemplate_config_file=/usr/local/nagios/etc/hostextinfo.cfg

I have selected user-coordinates (0) for
default_statusmap_layout
default_statuswrl_layout
in cgi.cfg

When I restart nagios and view the 3D-display, it says that I have not
created 3D-corrdinates.

I thought I covered everything ??


**

2. If I revert back to display type 3 ( eg ) I get the tree-display, but oh
my goodness
the colors looks awfull. Is this my browser ( konqueror ) ???



Thanks !!
JOhn

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[Nagios-users] attributes file for check_radius_adv

2006-11-10 Thread John Longland
Title: attributes file for check_radius_adv





Hi all!!



I've been using check_radius_adv for some time now on my nagios system
and its been working well.


I do need to send some more attributes up to the radius-server, though.
running the help file ( check_radius_adv --help ) revieles that one can
specify an attributes file with the "-a" switch and on eis refered to a "samplefile"
for its format. This samplefile is very unhelpfull at the least.


Anyone that can throw some light on its format ?


I need to send a "Calling-Station-ID = 1" to the radius server.


Thanks !
John



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[Nagios-users] query a nagios server

2006-10-12 Thread John Longland
Title: query a nagios server





Hi all !!!


Just had a thought about a functionality that I would LOVE to add
to my nagios system. Currently, I can control, from the cell-phones
of the field-personel, the status of their own notifications. i.e. they
can activate or deactivate the notifications from nagios to themselves.


I would like to add to those 2 commands, commands such as e.g.


client1


My script must then query the status of "client1" from nagios. It will then
be sent to the cell-phone issuing the query. The command processing is easy,
but I haven't a clue at where to start to get any host-info from a nagios server
together with the status of the services linked to that host.


Am I dreaming to much here ! ??  ;-)


Any pointers ?


Thanks !
John



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Re: [Nagios-users] SMS notificatoni

2006-10-11 Thread John Longland
Title: RE: [Nagios-users] SMS notificatoni







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Hi all
has  somebody implemented notification via SMS but not via INTERNET, but 
using any cell/gsm modem ???
What kind of equipment and soft did you use.


regards



Hi Darbin


I have also used smstools. Works well. I have also made use
of the facility that smstools has to receive sms'es. This enabled me
to put control into CERTAIN of the staffs hands whereby they can 
deactivate  sms-ing for THEMSELVES ( ONLY !!) if they are no longer
on standby. They can then also activate sms-ing to themselves once 
they go onto standby again. 


Best !
John



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Re: [Nagios-users] SMS notifications to a cell phone

2006-10-06 Thread John Longland
Title: RE: [Nagios-users] SMS notifications to a cell phone







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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrea
Gabellini
Sent: 05 October 2006 18:28
To: Yogesh Hasabnis
Cc: Nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] SMS notifications to a cell phone



http://smstools.meinemullemaus.de/


Yogesh Hasabnis wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am in the process of setting up nagios for monitoring key services in our
> network setup. I have already tested and used the email method of sending
> notifications using Sendmail as my relay host. I would be grateful if I get
> some pointers for sending notifications using SMS to a cell number, in case
> of service failures and recoveries. I went through the nagios docs. They
> have mentioned  quite a few options for using SMS as a notification method.
> But it seems that one needs to subscribe to the services of a service
> provider to use any of those options. And the service provider should be
> providing services in your country/location. Is it possible to use this
> notification without subscribing to any specific paid service ?
> 
> I am extremely sorry if this question has already been answered before.
> 
> Thanks In Advance
> 
> Yogesh
> 
> 



Yogesh


I can help you to set up SMS'ing with a modem that has a SIM-card in.
Obviously there will be costs involved with the SIM-card.
Give me ahsout if you want to go that route.


JOhn



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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed nagios system

2006-09-27 Thread John Longland
Title: RE: [Nagios-users] Distributed nagios system







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Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed nagios system



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> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:11:23 +0200
> From: John Longland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Nagios-users] Distributed nagios system
> To: "'nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net'"
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> Hi all !!
>
> I've had to implement a distributed systemand I have gone through some docs
> I found on sourceforge.
>
> I'll briefly mention what I have done:
>
> slave nagios
> 1. Installed the nsca pack
> 2. put send_nsca.cfg  -> /etc
> 3. modified entry for ocsp_sommand in nagios,cfg
> 4. enabled obesess over services
> 5. enable_notifications set to 0
> 6. Defined a command called submit_check_result in my minimal.cfg
> 7. Written submit_check_result script and placed it in ../libexec
>
> server side:
> 1. Installed nsca pack
> 2. nsca,cfg -> /usr/local/nagios/etc
> 3. active service checks 1 for services checked from main nagios
>  set to 0 for service checked from slave nagios
> 4. externetl commands checks enabled
> 5. passive service checks enabled
> 6. nsca -> /usr/local/nagios/bin
> 7. check existance of  /usr/local/nagios/var/rw/nagios.cmd
> 8. wrote nsca script in  /etc/xinetd.d
> 9. added entry in /etc/services  called NSCA
> 10. restarted xinetd
>
>
> Problem.
> When I send info from slave to main nagios by hand, it is sent and
> reported by the main nagios, correctly.
> When I remove /usr/local/nagios/libexec/submit_check_result, I get an error
> indicating that the slave
>    nagios is trying to execute a non-existing script.
> When I re-instate the submit_check_result script, nothing happens. No error
> in any log.
> I do not see any attempt on the network ( tcpdump) that the slave is trying
> to contact the main
> nagios.
> I have also added a little echo statement in the submit_check_result script
> that writes to a file.


A few questions:


What version of nagios are you running? 
When you added the echo statement was IT the only thing in the script?
or did you leave the rest of the script intact? 
What are the permissions of the directories, files of where your 
submit_check_result script is? 
Did you try running the script by hand as the user nagios runs under?


PS: Give an example of what your submit_check_result script looks like.


Hi Bryan !!!


Thanks for your mail. 


I have since dicovered that the problem was the permissions of
my send_nsca.cfg file !! For completeness:
Version of nagios is 2.4
The echo statement was simply added with all other statements intact
The permissions of the script files are readable and executable
by anyone. It is owned by nagios:nagios.
As I said above, I slipped up with not checking the send_nsca.cfg file !!!


Thanks for your time, Bryan. Much appreciated 
John



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[Nagios-users] Distributed nagios system

2006-09-27 Thread John Longland
Title: Distributed nagios system





Hi all !!


I've had to implement a distributed systemand I have gone through some docs
I found on sourceforge. 


I'll briefly mention what I have done:


slave nagios
1. Installed the nsca pack
2. put send_nsca.cfg  -> /etc
3. modified entry for ocsp_sommand in nagios,cfg
4. enabled obesess over services
5. enable_notifications set to 0
6. Defined a command called submit_check_result in my minimal.cfg
7. Written submit_check_result script and placed it in ../libexec


server side:
1. Installed nsca pack
2. nsca,cfg -> /usr/local/nagios/etc
3. active service checks 1 for services checked from main nagios
  set to 0 for service checked from slave nagios
4. externetl commands checks enabled
5. passive service checks enabled
6. nsca -> /usr/local/nagios/bin
7. check existance of  /usr/local/nagios/var/rw/nagios.cmd
8. wrote nsca script in  /etc/xinetd.d
9. added entry in /etc/services  called NSCA
10. restarted xinetd



Problem.
When I send info from slave to main nagios by hand, it is sent and
reported by the main nagios, correctly.
When I remove /usr/local/nagios/libexec/submit_check_result, I get an error indicating that the slave
    nagios is trying to execute a non-existing script.
When I re-instate the submit_check_result script, nothing happens. No error in any log.
I do not see any attempt on the network ( tcpdump) that the slave is trying to contact the main
nagios.
I have also added a little echo statement in the submit_check_result script that writes to a file.
This way I can see that the script was executed. This does not happen which means the 
submit_check_result script is not executed.


Can someone help , please ??


John



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[Nagios-users] Slave nagios

2006-09-26 Thread John Longland
Title: Slave nagios





Hi all !!!


I have a love-triangle-situation here and wherever there's a love-triangle,
things gets messy 



I have 3 sites, lets call then A,B and C


A has my Nagios monitor , monitoring machines on both the
B & C networks.   Some of the machines on network C I cannot monitor.
( Lets just say its politics and leave it at that !!! )
I can however see the unmonitored machines from my B-network.
And I can see my B-netywork from my A network that has my Nagios.
I was thinking to put up a "slave" nagios at B. This slave will then
monitor to outstanding machines on C and this info can then be passed
to the "main" nagios system at A.


( Hope that makes sense !!! )
 Can this be done ?


Thanks !!!
John




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Re: [Nagios-users] Nagios 2.5

2006-09-05 Thread John Longland
Title: RE: [Nagios-users] Nagios 2.5







Reading configuration data...


Error: Command 'check-host-alive' has already been defined
Error: Could not register command (config file
'/etc/nagios/minimal.cfg', starti
    ng on line 76)


***> One or more problems was encountered while processing the config files...


 Check your configuration file(s) to ensure that they contain valid
 directives and data defintions.  If you are upgrading from a previous
 version of Nagios, you should be aware that some variables/definitions
 may have been removed or modified in this version.  Make sure to read
 the HTML documentation regarding the config files, as well as the
 'Whats New' section to find out what has changed.


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Thanks and Regards


Kaushal





Hi


Chek that you don't have both "minimal.cfg" AND "checkcommands.cfg" uncommented.
Both these contain command definitions.


Best !
John



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[Nagios-users] Macro usage when sending SMS

2006-09-04 Thread John Longland
Title: Macro usage when sending SMS





Hi all !!!


Just started as a Nagios user so I am new on the list.


I have nagios running and I also have a basic structure in place for
sending SMS'es ( using smstools ). I need to expand it now because I have
many people that want to be notified of only selected system information.
At this point in time, all contacts are sent ALL information.


So , bottom line is, I need to diffrentiate based on $USERNAME$ as defined in
my contacts.




define command{
    command_name    notify-by-sms
    command_line        /usr/local/nagios/libexec/send_sms $HOSTNAME$ $HOSTSTATE$ $USERNAME
}



And then in ../libexec , my "send_sms"-script looks as follows: ( This is how it looks CURRENTLY )



#!/bin/bash
HOST = $1
STATE = $2
../sms/smstools/scripts/sendsms 082111 "$HOST $STATE"
../sms/smstools/scripts/sendsms 08 "$HOST $STATE"
[ entry for each cell-number ]




I would like to make use of $USERNAME$ to control what gets sent to who.


But, when I print the contents of $USERNAME$ in the script, it is either blank or
it contains "-". 


I do have all my contacts defined in my ../minimal.cfg file


OS = CentOS4.0
Nagios 2.4
smstools 2.2.4


a Pointer would be much appreciated ???


Thanks !
John Longland



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