Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> Hari Sekhon wrote:
> | Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> |> Centos 4 makes no distinction. There is at least no security plugin for
> |> yum. But given this known limitation the plugin works well on Centos
> 4 here.
> |>
> |> Hugo.
> |>
> | Is it that the information is not available on CentOS 4 or that the
> | yum-security plugin is just not installed? Have you tried
> |
> | yum install yum-security
>
> Tried that. But that plugin does not exist for Centos 4.
>
> Hugo.
>   
Ah, shame. Well, at least you can use --all-updates to just get a 
generic count of the updates.

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
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Hari Sekhon wrote:
| Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
|> Centos 4 makes no distinction. There is at least no security plugin for
|> yum. But given this known limitation the plugin works well on Centos
4 here.
|>
|> Hugo.
|>
| Is it that the information is not available on CentOS 4 or that the
| yum-security plugin is just not installed? Have you tried
|
| yum install yum-security

Tried that. But that plugin does not exist for Centos 4.

Hugo.

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Tom Brown wrote:
>> Did you add yum manually to RHEL 4 and if so, what implications are 
>> there for updates then, is there any official repo for that, or only 
>> 3rd party. If 3rd party, do they support security information support 
>> for yum? Otherwise you'd have to use --all-updates or 
>> --warn-on-any-update and keep the whole system up to date if you 
>> cannot differentiate between security and normal updates.
>
> yum was built by us to provide a way to deploy rpm's to machines 
> easily from custom repo's etc - if we need to update we update from 
> yum using local repo's mirrored from upstream.
>
It's not clear though whether or not the 3rd party repos support 
security package information like yum provides on RHEL 5.

You may want to just do a generic --all-updates to return critical for 
any available update or just --warn-on-any-update to still try to 
differentiate but warn on non-security packages and upgrade any 
available packages?

I've not managed to get a straight answer out of anyone on how 3rd party 
repos affect the security of a system with regards to managed security 
updates. The usual evasive answer is that Redhat only provide support 
for their limited official repository, but where does this leave people 
who use all these 3rd party repos to make up for the deficiency of the 
official repo? This is why I prefer Gentoo and Debian's more 
comprehensive official repositories that are managed better and have 
security updates.

If anyone knows more about 3rd party repository and security updates 
this I'd love to hear it as I hate the idea of getting security updates 
for only a subset of the total installed packages (hence why 
--warn-on-any-update may be useful to try to get around this)

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> Centos 4 makes no distinction. There is at least no security plugin for
> yum. But given this known limitation the plugin works well on Centos 4 here.
>
> Hugo.
>   
Is it that the information is not available on CentOS 4 or that the 
yum-security plugin is just not installed? Have you tried

yum install yum-security

Perhaps the yum-security plugin is not available for install in this 
version? I can't verify since I don't have any CentOS 4 here.

The plugin gives this install tip if the security plugin for yum is not 
available. I found that it was not installed by default on all RHEL 5 
systems but was such a useful thing to have that just running the yum 
install and then re-running the plugin was worth it for the distinction.

However, it's up to you, the switches allow you run it either way.

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Tom Brown

>
>
> Did you add yum manually to RHEL 4 and if so, what implications are 
> there for updates then, is there any official repo for that, or only 
> 3rd party. If 3rd party, do they support security information support 
> for yum? Otherwise you'd have to use --all-updates or 
> --warn-on-any-update and keep the whole system up to date if you 
> cannot differentiate between security and normal updates.
>
>

yum was built by us to provide a way to deploy rpm's to machines easily 
from custom repo's etc - if we need to update we update from yum using 
local repo's mirrored from upstream.



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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
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Hari Sekhon wrote:
| Tom Brown wrote:
|>> This does make a good case for adding support for CentOS 4. I don't
|>> have any older CentOS, only RHEL so I wasn't aware that CentOS
|>> shipped with yum for this to be useful.
|>>
|>> Since you have made a good case, I have now updated the plugin to
|>> have compatibility for the older python 2.3, so pls try the latest
|>> version 0.6.6 and let me know how that goes for you on the old systems.
|>>
|>>
http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=1
|>>
|>>
|> we use yum on RHEL 4 a lot so will be trying this out also
|>
|> thanks
|>
| Err, slight correction in my typing, I wasn't aware that CentOS *4*
| shipped with yum as RHEL 4 seems not to, I know my CentOS 5 does have it
| as does RHEL 5 (finally). I was under the impression that since CentOS
| is supposed to be purely a rebranded RHEL without the trademark logos
| etc, that it would follow RHEL closely, so if RHEL 4 didn't ship with
| yum, then neither would CentOS 4? I guess the CentOS guys realized how
| big a disadvantage this would be...
|
| Did you add yum manually to RHEL 4 and if so, what implications are
| there for updates then, is there any official repo for that, or only 3rd
| party. If 3rd party, do they support security information support for
| yum? Otherwise you'd have to use --all-updates or --warn-on-any-update
| and keep the whole system up to date if you cannot differentiate between
| security and normal updates.

Centos 4 makes no distinction. There is at least no security plugin for
yum. But given this known limitation the plugin works well on Centos 4 here.

Hugo.

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Tom Brown wrote:
>
>>
>> This does make a good case for adding support for CentOS 4. I don't 
>> have any older CentOS, only RHEL so I wasn't aware that CentOS 
>> shipped with yum for this to be useful.
>>
>> Since you have made a good case, I have now updated the plugin to 
>> have compatibility for the older python 2.3, so pls try the latest 
>> version 0.6.6 and let me know how that goes for you on the old systems.
>>
>> http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=1 
>>
>>   
>
> we use yum on RHEL 4 a lot so will be trying this out also
>
> thanks
>
Err, slight correction in my typing, I wasn't aware that CentOS *4* 
shipped with yum as RHEL 4 seems not to, I know my CentOS 5 does have it 
as does RHEL 5 (finally). I was under the impression that since CentOS 
is supposed to be purely a rebranded RHEL without the trademark logos 
etc, that it would follow RHEL closely, so if RHEL 4 didn't ship with 
yum, then neither would CentOS 4? I guess the CentOS guys realized how 
big a disadvantage this would be...

Did you add yum manually to RHEL 4 and if so, what implications are 
there for updates then, is there any official repo for that, or only 3rd 
party. If 3rd party, do they support security information support for 
yum? Otherwise you'd have to use --all-updates or --warn-on-any-update 
and keep the whole system up to date if you cannot differentiate between 
security and normal updates.

-h

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Tom Brown

>
> This does make a good case for adding support for CentOS 4. I don't have 
> any older CentOS, only RHEL so I wasn't aware that CentOS shipped with 
> yum for this to be useful.
>
> Since you have made a good case, I have now updated the plugin to have 
> compatibility for the older python 2.3, so pls try the latest version 
> 0.6.6 and let me know how that goes for you on the old systems.
>
> http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=1
>   

we use yum on RHEL 4 a lot so will be trying this out also

thanks



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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
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>
> Hari Sekhon wrote:
> | Randal, Phil wrote:
> |> The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.
> |>
> |> Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can check
> |> our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.
> |>
> |> Cheers,
> |>
> |> Phil
> | I have a couple of RHEL 4 boxes too but since they didn't ship with yum
> | this didn't seem so relevant. I tried putting yum on one of them a
> | couple of years back and I have to say it was an absolutely awful
> | experience.
>
> I have never touched a real RHEL 4 box. But I run Centos 4 on a number
> of systems and Centos 4 uses yum for quite a while. They have this nice
> server CD that allows one to install a server with a minimum of packages
> and then I add what I need with yum.
>
> But needless to say Centos 4 is shipped with python v2.3.4 so the script
> will not work there. And upgrading to python v2.4 is not a viable option
> on those machines.
>
> Hugo.
>   
Thanks for that feedback Hugo.

This does make a good case for adding support for CentOS 4. I don't have 
any older CentOS, only RHEL so I wasn't aware that CentOS shipped with 
yum for this to be useful.

Since you have made a good case, I have now updated the plugin to have 
compatibility for the older python 2.3, so pls try the latest version 
0.6.6 and let me know how that goes for you on the old systems.

http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=1

Thanks

-h

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Randal, Phil
Oops,

I realised after I said it.

The only time I used yum on RHEL 4 was to upgrade it to CentOS 4.

CentOS 4, of course, ships with yum.

I've currently got 4 CentOS 4.6 boxes, 2 CentOS 5.1, and 1 RHEL 4 box,
so python 2.3 support would still be a plus.

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serverpackagealerts

Randal, Phil wrote:
> The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.
>
> Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can 
> check our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
I have a couple of RHEL 4 boxes too but since they didn't ship with yum
this didn't seem so relevant. I tried putting yum on one of them a
couple of years back and I have to say it was an absolutely awful
experience.

I had done a relatively minimal install and was then tryied installing
yum both by rpm and by source install, both of which landed me in a very
bad and messed up circular dependency hell that I couldn't solve without
breaking some other stuff. I mean I tried everything, and that was the
last time I ever tried a minimal redhat installation (minimal == lower
attack surface and all that best practice stuff which redhat never
seemed to get into - otherwise I have to go round disabling so much junk
on their systems), a very poor choice for tight control and
maintainability compared to gentoo or debian (but I digress).

Did you install yum manually on RHEL 4?
Do you use this as the primary package management tool on RHEL 4 and
does it receive security updates? I would have thought not since RedHat
only shipped this in version 5 which is why the plugin makes no effort
for previous versions of RHEL... but I could be wrong.

I figure that upgrades to the version 5 with it's first half-decent
package management system using yum by default will solve this, but if
anyone wants to correct me or share their experience, feel free and I
may reconsider.

-h

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hugo van der Kooij
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Hari Sekhon wrote:
| Randal, Phil wrote:
|> The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.
|>
|> Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can check
|> our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.
|>
|> Cheers,
|>
|> Phil
| I have a couple of RHEL 4 boxes too but since they didn't ship with yum
| this didn't seem so relevant. I tried putting yum on one of them a
| couple of years back and I have to say it was an absolutely awful
| experience.

I have never touched a real RHEL 4 box. But I run Centos 4 on a number
of systems and Centos 4 uses yum for quite a while. They have this nice
server CD that allows one to install a server with a minimum of packages
and then I add what I need with yum.

But needless to say Centos 4 is shipped with python v2.3.4 so the script
will not work there. And upgrading to python v2.4 is not a viable option
on those machines.

Hugo.

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-05-01 Thread Hari Sekhon
Randal, Phil wrote:
> The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.
>
> Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can check
> our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil 
I have a couple of RHEL 4 boxes too but since they didn't ship with yum 
this didn't seem so relevant. I tried putting yum on one of them a 
couple of years back and I have to say it was an absolutely awful 
experience.

I had done a relatively minimal install and was then tryied installing 
yum both by rpm and by source install, both of which landed me in a very 
bad and messed up circular dependency hell that I couldn't solve without 
breaking some other stuff. I mean I tried everything, and that was the 
last time I ever tried a minimal redhat installation (minimal == lower 
attack surface and all that best practice stuff which redhat never 
seemed to get into - otherwise I have to go round disabling so much junk 
on their systems), a very poor choice for tight control and 
maintainability compared to gentoo or debian (but I digress).

Did you install yum manually on RHEL 4?
Do you use this as the primary package management tool on RHEL 4 and 
does it receive security updates? I would have thought not since RedHat 
only shipped this in version 5 which is why the plugin makes no effort 
for previous versions of RHEL... but I could be wrong.

I figure that upgrades to the version 5 with it's first half-decent 
package management system using yum by default will solve this, but if 
anyone wants to correct me or share their experience, feel free and I 
may reconsider.

-h

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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-04-30 Thread Gary Every
I agree - there are still a ton of RHEL4 boxes out there. We are pretty
strict on keeping with RHN - RHEL4 uses Python 2.3



On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Randal, Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.
>
> Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can check
> our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
>
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> Networks Engineer
> Herefordshire Council
> Hereford, UK
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randal,
> Phil
> Sent: 30 April 2008 15:30
> To: Hari Sekhon; Nagios Users mailinglist
> Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS
> serverpackagealerts
>
> # ./check_yum -vvv
> setting plugin timeout to 30 seconds
> running command: /usr/bin/yum --security check-update
> Returncode: '0'
> Output: 'Loading "security" plugin
> Loading "priorities" plugin
> Loading "protectbase" plugin
> Loading "installonlyn" plugin
> Loading "dellsysidplugin" plugin
> Setting up repositories
> Reading repository metadata in from local files Reducing city-fan.org
> repository for Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and
> clones) 5 (x86_64) to included packages only Finished Excluding Packages
> from Red Hat Enterprise 5 - RPMforge.net - dag Finished Reducing
> city-fan.org repository for Fedora Core Rawhide (x86_64) to included
> packages only Finished Limiting package lists to security relevant ones
> No packages needed, for security, 0 available 0 packages excluded due to
> repository priority protections 0 packages excluded due to repository
> protections '
> Yum WARNING: Yum output signature does not match current known format,
> please make sure you have upgraded to the latest version of this plugin.
> If the problem persists, please contact the author for a fix
>
>
> Oh well, maybe one day it will work. :-p
>
> Phil
> --
> Phil Randal
> Networks Engineer
> Herefordshire Council
> Hereford, UK
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hari
> Sekhon
> Sent: 30 April 2008 13:46
> To: Nagios Users mailinglist
> Subject: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS server
> packagealerts
>
> Hi,
>
>   I've just released the Check_Yum plugin on NagiosExchange.org as the
> only one there seemed quite inadequate.
>
> Features of the new plugin (none of which are in the old plugin)
> include:
>
> - Differentiate between Security / normal package updates
> - Better output - numbers of packages updates
> - Support for extra Yum options including enabling and disabling repos,
> running from the cache
> - Optional Warning on non-security updates
> - Optional Critical alerting on any package
> - Timeout
> - Verbosity
> - Less false package alerts (the old plugin just used to misleading say
> the O/S needed updates when yum failed for any reason at all), including
> proper error feedback and a switch for lock handling to not raise an
> alert like if somebody is running yum interactively at the same time.
>
>
> You can download the plugin here:
>
> http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=
> 1
>
> (you may need to copy and paste that link if your mail client
> misinterprets the link)
>
> As ever, feedback is welcome, and development will continue if needed
> for extra switches and features.
> This should also work with Fedora or another RPM based distros that uses
> yum as it's package management system but I've not tested it outside
> RHEL/CentOS so feedback is welcome there too.
>
>
> On a related note, I'm also quite interested in people's experiences of
> updating and maintaining RedHat based systems especially with regards to
> security. I spoke to a few people and they basically don't follow
> security vulnerabilities and don't patch which ties in with my
> experiences and what I've seen of other people's systems too which is
> very disappointing. Hopefully this will make it easier to automatically
> track and keep on top of security updates for those of us who have
> RedHat Enterprise Linux 5 or later or equivalent.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -h
>
> --
> Hari Sekhon
>
>
> 
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Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS serverpackagealerts

2008-04-30 Thread Randal, Phil
The latest version now works fine on my CentOS 5.1 boxes.

Now all we need is a version which works with python 2.3 so I can check
our CentOS / RHEL 4 boxes.

Cheers,

Phil 


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Networks Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randal,
Phil
Sent: 30 April 2008 15:30
To: Hari Sekhon; Nagios Users mailinglist
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS
serverpackagealerts

# ./check_yum -vvv
setting plugin timeout to 30 seconds
running command: /usr/bin/yum --security check-update
Returncode: '0'
Output: 'Loading "security" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Loading "protectbase" plugin
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "dellsysidplugin" plugin
Setting up repositories
Reading repository metadata in from local files Reducing city-fan.org
repository for Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and
clones) 5 (x86_64) to included packages only Finished Excluding Packages
from Red Hat Enterprise 5 - RPMforge.net - dag Finished Reducing
city-fan.org repository for Fedora Core Rawhide (x86_64) to included
packages only Finished Limiting package lists to security relevant ones
No packages needed, for security, 0 available 0 packages excluded due to
repository priority protections 0 packages excluded due to repository
protections '
Yum WARNING: Yum output signature does not match current known format,
please make sure you have upgraded to the latest version of this plugin.
If the problem persists, please contact the author for a fix 


Oh well, maybe one day it will work. :-p

Phil
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Phil Randal
Networks Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hari
Sekhon
Sent: 30 April 2008 13:46
To: Nagios Users mailinglist
Subject: [Nagios-users] Announce: Check_Yum for RedHat/CentOS server
packagealerts

Hi,

   I've just released the Check_Yum plugin on NagiosExchange.org as the
only one there seemed quite inadequate.

Features of the new plugin (none of which are in the old plugin)
include:

- Differentiate between Security / normal package updates
- Better output - numbers of packages updates
- Support for extra Yum options including enabling and disabling repos,
running from the cache
- Optional Warning on non-security updates
- Optional Critical alerting on any package
- Timeout
- Verbosity
- Less false package alerts (the old plugin just used to misleading say
the O/S needed updates when yum failed for any reason at all), including
proper error feedback and a switch for lock handling to not raise an
alert like if somebody is running yum interactively at the same time.


You can download the plugin here:

http://www.nagiosexchange.org/cgi-bin/page.cgi?g=Detailed%2F2577.html;d=
1

(you may need to copy and paste that link if your mail client
misinterprets the link)

As ever, feedback is welcome, and development will continue if needed
for extra switches and features.
This should also work with Fedora or another RPM based distros that uses
yum as it's package management system but I've not tested it outside
RHEL/CentOS so feedback is welcome there too.


On a related note, I'm also quite interested in people's experiences of
updating and maintaining RedHat based systems especially with regards to
security. I spoke to a few people and they basically don't follow
security vulnerabilities and don't patch which ties in with my
experiences and what I've seen of other people's systems too which is
very disappointing. Hopefully this will make it easier to automatically
track and keep on top of security updates for those of us who have
RedHat Enterprise Linux 5 or later or equivalent.


Thanks

-h

--
Hari Sekhon



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