Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-09-06 Thread Nate Campi
The part of my post that was snipped out showed how to use a single host
and service definition but put in place *only* a different template for
the central and distributed Nagios instances.

The ease of distribution comes for free at that point, and nothing is
used here beyond the basic built-in features of Nagios. How you
distribute it from there is up to you, I just happen to use cfengine.

On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 04:51:40PM -0700, Rob Brown wrote:
> Thanks, but most of these answers seem to be based around distributing
> the configs. All good answers, but not really what I was looking for.
> I am more interested in how to GENerate the configs (ie: adding hosts,
> services etc) for a distributed setup, without having to add things
> twice (once on master as passive, then again on distributed as active,
> yadda yadda)
> We currently have an in-house tool that we use to manage the master
> config but it was written years ago (back when there were none) and
> does not have this capability. Since we are planning to break up our
> monolithic Nagios cluster into distributed sites, we wanted to
> evaluate any config tools that already have this capability to see if
> they are worth using versus spending time retrofitting ours.
> So far, it seems OpsView has the features to support this, but
> migrating may be a bit of a chore. I will be installing it so I can at
> least take a peek under the hood for some ideas.
> 
> On 9/3/07, Nate Campi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I use cfengine, and have it down to where I can setup a new Nagios
> > instance or setup a failed Nagios instance in minutes.
> >
> > I have a single Nagios filesystem hierarchy that helps ensure that the
> > central and distributed services and host definitions are exactly the
> > same - using symlinks.
> > [snip]
> > None of this is original, of course, but along with cfengine it makes it
> > a breeze to manage. If people really care, I could put up a better
> > description of how I did it.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:29:18AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Yes, I'd second cfengine. Though rsync is a simple quick fix
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill Omer
> > > Sent: Thu 30/08/2007 21:11
> > > To: Rob Brown
> > > Cc: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> > > > aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> > > > sites/servers)?
> > > > I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> > > > to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> > > > configs.
> > > > How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
> > >
> > >
> > > You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
> > > support much more than just nagios configs.
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > >
> 
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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-09-05 Thread Rob Brown
Thanks, Marc that's great info. I forgot about the power of
templating. It's nice to see some real-world examples on how this is
being done. Sometimes it makes more sense to just see it rather than
to over-think it.

On 9/5/07, Marc Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nagios-users-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Brown
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:52 PM
> > To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?
> >
> > Thanks, but most of these answers seem to be based around distributing
> > the configs. All good answers, but not really what I was looking for.
>
> You're going to have to distribute configs one way or another unless you
> nfs mount your ~nagios/etc dir or something similar.
>
> > I am more interested in how to GENerate the configs (ie: adding hosts,
> > services etc) for a distributed setup, without having to add things
> > twice (once on master as passive, then again on distributed as active,
> > yadda yadda)
>
> There's no need to generate different configs between the two with
> templating. All you need is a single host and service template on the
> active and a different host and service template on the passive. These
> templates will have the same name on both machines, but different
> contents depending on their roles. For example, a generic-service
> template on the active might look like --
>
> define service {
>  name generic-service
>  check_period 24x7
>  register 0
> }
>
> On the passive, that would turn into --
>
> define service {
>  name generic-service
>  check_period none
>  register 0
> }
>
> Now, in your distributed configs, you just need to specify inheritance
> of the generic-service template and it'll do the right thing based on
> the machine it's running on --
>
> define service {
>usegeneric-service
>host_name  whatever
>service_descriptionsomeservice
>contact_groups somecontacts
>check_command  somecommand
>...
>}
>
> I have all my templates in one directory that is static per machine and
> my host/service/hostgroup configs in another that's dynamic and rsynced
> from a central machine. The contents of this directory are the same
> across all my nagios instances.
>
> --
> Marc
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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-09-05 Thread Marc Powell


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nagios-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:52 PM
> To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?
> 
> Thanks, but most of these answers seem to be based around distributing
> the configs. All good answers, but not really what I was looking for.

You're going to have to distribute configs one way or another unless you
nfs mount your ~nagios/etc dir or something similar.

> I am more interested in how to GENerate the configs (ie: adding hosts,
> services etc) for a distributed setup, without having to add things
> twice (once on master as passive, then again on distributed as active,
> yadda yadda)

There's no need to generate different configs between the two with
templating. All you need is a single host and service template on the
active and a different host and service template on the passive. These
templates will have the same name on both machines, but different
contents depending on their roles. For example, a generic-service
template on the active might look like --

define service {
  name generic-service
  check_period 24x7
  register 0
}

On the passive, that would turn into --

define service {
  name generic-service
  check_period none
  register 0
}

Now, in your distributed configs, you just need to specify inheritance
of the generic-service template and it'll do the right thing based on
the machine it's running on --

define service {
usegeneric-service
host_name  whatever
service_descriptionsomeservice
contact_groups somecontacts
check_command  somecommand
...
}

I have all my templates in one directory that is static per machine and
my host/service/hostgroup configs in another that's dynamic and rsynced
from a central machine. The contents of this directory are the same
across all my nagios instances.

--
Marc

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-09-04 Thread Rob Brown
Thanks, but most of these answers seem to be based around distributing
the configs. All good answers, but not really what I was looking for.
I am more interested in how to GENerate the configs (ie: adding hosts,
services etc) for a distributed setup, without having to add things
twice (once on master as passive, then again on distributed as active,
yadda yadda)
We currently have an in-house tool that we use to manage the master
config but it was written years ago (back when there were none) and
does not have this capability. Since we are planning to break up our
monolithic Nagios cluster into distributed sites, we wanted to
evaluate any config tools that already have this capability to see if
they are worth using versus spending time retrofitting ours.
So far, it seems OpsView has the features to support this, but
migrating may be a bit of a chore. I will be installing it so I can at
least take a peek under the hood for some ideas.

On 9/3/07, Nate Campi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use cfengine, and have it down to where I can setup a new Nagios
> instance or setup a failed Nagios instance in minutes.
>
> I have a single Nagios filesystem hierarchy that helps ensure that the
> central and distributed services and host definitions are exactly the
> same - using symlinks.
> [snip]
> None of this is original, of course, but along with cfengine it makes it
> a breeze to manage. If people really care, I could put up a better
> description of how I did it.
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:29:18AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Yes, I'd second cfengine. Though rsync is a simple quick fix
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill Omer
> > Sent: Thu 30/08/2007 21:11
> > To: Rob Brown
> > Cc: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> > > aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> > > sites/servers)?
> > > I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> > > to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> > > configs.
> > > How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
> >
> >
> > You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
> > support much more than just nagios configs.
> >
> > -Bill
> >

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-09-03 Thread Nate Campi
I use cfengine, and have it down to where I can setup a new Nagios
instance or setup a failed Nagios instance in minutes.

I have a single Nagios filesystem hierarchy that helps ensure that the
central and distributed services and host definitions are exactly the
same - using symlinks.

$ pwd
/var/cfengine/masterfiles/usr/pkg/nagios/etc
$ ls -l sites/savvis1/hostgroups/
lrwxr-xr-x  1 ncampi cfengine   46 Aug  6 16:26 hostgroups-ftp.cfg -> 
../../../central/hostgroups/hostgroups-ftp.cfg
...

$ ls -l sites/savvis2/services/url/
lrwxr-xr-x  1 ncampi cfengine   42 Aug  7 22:09 query.cfg -> 
../../../../central/services/url/query.cfg

I just make sure that the templates are real files (with different
contents, of course) for the central and distributed Nagios instances.

$ ls -l sites/savvis1/services/templates/generic.cfg 
-r--r-  1 ncampi cfengine 3282 Aug  7 14:45 
sites/savvis1/services/templates/generic.cfg

I use daemontools to start up Nagios using the correct config file, and
each nagios.cfg has the right cfg_dir and cfg_file options to assume the
role that I want for that host.

$ ls -l sites/savvis1/nagios.cfg 
-r--r-  1 ncampi cfengine 31193 Aug  7 23:26 sites/savvis1/nagios.cfg

None of this is original, of course, but along with cfengine it makes it
a breeze to manage. If people really care, I could put up a better
description of how I did it.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:29:18AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes, I'd second cfengine. Though rsync is a simple quick fix
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill Omer
> Sent: Thu 30/08/2007 21:11
> To: Rob Brown
> Cc: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> > aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> > sites/servers)?
> > I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> > to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> > configs.
> > How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
> 
> 
> You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
> support much more than just nagios configs.
> 
> -Bill
> 
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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-31 Thread Ton Voon

On 30 Aug 2007, at 22:55, Rob Brown wrote:

> Anyone using OpsView? (http://opsview.org/node/10) Sounds like it has
> this capability:
> "With Opsview, one of the big features is the simple distributed
> monitoring - you just select a drop down to associate a host with a
> slave server and then when you hit the Opsview reload button, all the
> Nagios configurations are generated as you'd expect (slaves
> monitoring, master with freshness checking, automatic distribution to
> slaves, synchronized reloading). It works amazingly well."

We wrote it, so we use it :)

We use scp to transfer the files across to slaves. The generated  
config is different between master and slaves, so separate tarballs  
are created. There's also a validation phase before we synchronise a  
reload on all Nagios instances.

There's a little publicised feature where you can cluster your slaves  
together, so at configuration generation time, it will split the  
hosts between the clustered slaves for load balancing. if there's a  
failure on one slave, the other slave will take over the active  
checks. All for free!

Ton

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-31 Thread Duncan Ferguson

On 30 Aug 2007, at 20:25, Rob Brown wrote:

> Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> sites/servers)?
> I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> configs.
> How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
>

Rob,

You might like to try Opsview - http://opsview.org

Configuration via the web interface, easy to set up distributed  
monitoring with automatic failover of slaves,
reload via a web page, Nagios CGIs that refresh inline (using AJAX)  
and a great new Hostgroup
Hierarchy page to see the status of everything in a hierarchical   
fashion with drill down.

You can get a downloadable VM, redhat RPMs or debian/ubuntu packages.

   Duncs

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-31 Thread tom.welsh
Yes, I'd second cfengine. Though rsync is a simple quick fix



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bill Omer
Sent: Thu 30/08/2007 21:11
To: Rob Brown
Cc: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?



On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> sites/servers)?
> I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> configs.
> How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?


You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
support much more than just nagios configs.

-Bill

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-30 Thread Rob Brown
Thanks, Bill. We currently use cfengine for other stuff in our
environment so I am pretty familiar with it. And while I agree it
could probably do the job, it would be quite complex to set up from
scratch. We actually already have a homegrown app we use to manage the
configs but it will need to be altered significantly to be multi-site
aware. I'd like to be able to add a host to the master site and
associate it with a remote site, having the tool spit out the config
with a passive check on the master and active on the remote server
avoiding duplication of effort.

Anyone using OpsView? (http://opsview.org/node/10) Sounds like it has
this capability:
"With Opsview, one of the big features is the simple distributed
monitoring - you just select a drop down to associate a host with a
slave server and then when you hit the Opsview reload button, all the
Nagios configurations are generated as you'd expect (slaves
monitoring, master with freshness checking, automatic distribution to
slaves, synchronized reloading). It works amazingly well."

Looks like i'll be checking out their vm appliance for some ideas.

On 8/30/07, Bill Omer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> > aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> > sites/servers)?
> > I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> > to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> > configs.
> > How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
>
>
> You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
> support much more than just nagios configs.
>
> -Bill
>

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-30 Thread Bill Omer
On 8/30/07, Rob Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
> aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
> sites/servers)?
> I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
> to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
> configs.
> How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?


You may want to take a look at cfengine.  It's pretty robust, and can
support much more than just nagios configs.

-Bill

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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-30 Thread Russell Adams
Have a peek at NACE.

I've been curious to see someone use it to generate configurations for
a central server from passive checks in a distributed environment.

Russell

On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 02:38:55PM -0500, Marc Powell wrote:
> 
> 
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> > How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?
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> Rsync over ssh has worked great here for ~6 years. 1 master machine, 6
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Re: [Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-30 Thread Marc Powell


> -Original Message-
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> To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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> How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?

Rsync over ssh has worked great here for ~6 years. 1 master machine, 6
distributed config receivers. Configs are updated hourly.

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[Nagios-users] Distributed config admin tool?

2007-08-30 Thread Rob Brown
Are there any configuration admin tools out there that are multi-site
aware to be able to manage a distributed nagios setup (multiple
sites/servers)?
I am in the planning stages of expanding from a single pair (failover)
to distributed servers and am looking for a tool to help manage the
configs.
How are you admins with distributed sites managing them?

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