Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-24 Thread Kevin Keane
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Marc Powell wrote:
 On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Kevin Keane wrote:

   
 Top-posting means that you put what you have to say at the top of the
 reply the way I do it here. Bottom-posting means that you put your  
 reply
 below the original message.
 

 Don't forget about the best method, inline reply.
   
Yes, I should have said inline reply instead of bottom posting 
everywhere (and my description also wasn't quite accurate. Should have 
been you put your reply below the point you are replying to). True 
bottom posting is possibly the worst of all options, but I did mean the 
style that you, correctly, call inline reply. Of course, if there is 
only one point you are responding to, inline replying and bottom posting 
are one and the same.
 In the original Internet culture, bottom-posting was preferred, and  
 some
 
 Actually, no. inline replying was and still is preferred for technical  
 mailling lists. I'd hazard to say that's true the technical users on  
 this list as well.
I've been around Usenet ever since Compuserve (remember them?) started 
offering newsgroups, so I do remember the inline-replying culture quite 
well. And you may have a point. Many of the technical users of today 
(especially the experienced ones who tend to be the most prolific 
posters) are old-timers like myself, which would explain the preference 
among technical users. On the other hand, many people who started using 
the Net in this century, including even people with IT college degrees, 
have never seen inline replies, and don't even think to look below.
 The day you subscribe to a list via digest mode, you'll fully understand why. 
 ;)
   
LOL, don't get me started on digest mode! If I had my way, either Digest 
mode would be eliminated, or it would only be offered on lists that also 
have a good Web interface so you can properly respond to older posts as 
well as current ones (that's one of the reasons I much prefer Yahoo 
groups to Sourceforge mailing lists).
 In my mind, most of the time top posting actually is better because  
 the reply stands out more than the original question - which usually is what 
 you want.
 

 Not if you want to make multiple points without entirely restating  
 what you're replying to. Try to make my responses sensible in a top or  
 bottom posting context without doing that.
   
Agreed to some extent; in fact, I think I also listed that as an 
advantage of inline reply (which I erroneously called bottom posting).

I'm saying to an extent because if you overdo it, you can also end up 
with a completely chopped up discussion. It gets particularly convoluted 
in political flame wars...

I also usually add one other enhancement when I do use inline replying: 
I attach a note to the top Replies embedded below because many people 
I reply to, especially in private emails, aren't familiar with inline 
replying and otherwise wouldn't think to look below. In this case, of 
course, it's unnecessary; I just did it for illustration purposes.
 My personal rule: if there already is a longer thread, stick with
 whatever style it has.
 
 That's great! If it's a top or bottom post, you're increasing the  
 redundancy of what's stored/sent in everyone's mail client, in the  
 archives and most terribly, in the digests. by the number of replies  
 to that thread.
That's got nothing much to do with top- or bottom- or inline-replying. 
Cutting irrelevant old stuff out is a good thing no matter which style 
you are using, although some people go overboard and cut out everything 
at all (that's a fourth style of replying, and another universally bad 
one: no quoting at all), and then you don't know what they are replying to.
 * technically speaking, there is a still-valid RFC that specifies
 bottom-posting, but in practical terms it has been obsoleted by  
 history.
 

 That's arguable, but could approach the passion level of a discussion  
 of religion.
   
Is it getting hot here or what? :-))

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-24 Thread Marc Powell

On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Kevin Keane wrote

 I've been around Usenet ever since Compuserve (remember them?) started

Indeed. To date myself, I used to run a BBS on my C=64 ;) That  
certainly doesn't make me the most experienced around but I've been  
through a good part of the Internet history.

 That's arguable, but could approach the passion level of a discussion
 of religion.

 Is it getting hot here or what? :-))

heh, nah, but I think we're in close enough agreement to let it go G.

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[Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Martyn
Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in the
nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers which I have
tried.

My nrpe file looks like this:

# default: on
# description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor)
service nrpe
{
flags   = REUSE
socket_type = stream
port= 5666
wait= no
user= nagios
group   = nagios
server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
log_on_failure  += USERID
disable = no
only_from   = 127.0.0.1  
}


And my hosts.allow looks like

#
# hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
#   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
#   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
#
nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk

But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above
configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's

Thanks

Martyn
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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Schneemann
On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
 Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in the
 nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers which I have
 tried.

 My nrpe file looks like this:

 # default: on
 # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor)
 service nrpe
 {
 flags   = REUSE
 socket_type = stream
 port= 5666
 wait= no
 user= nagios
 group   = nagios
 server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
 server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
 log_on_failure  += USERID
 disable = no
 only_from   = 127.0.0.1
 }


 And my hosts.allow looks like

 #
 # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
 #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
 #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
 #
 nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk

 But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above
 configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's
You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows 17.0.0.1 to 
connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because you just allows 
connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing in the hosts.allow 
line?)

you can simply write the domain name to only_from.

If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line from the 
xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.

Greetings,
Christian

 Thanks

 Martyn



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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Martyn
I changed the line as suggested but I still get the SSL handshake issue, the
host.domain.co.uk is made up on here but I have the real one in the live
config, again thanks for your time

# default: on
# description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor)
service nrpe
{
flags   = REUSE
socket_type = stream
port= 5666
wait= no
user= nagios
group   = nagios
server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
log_on_failure  += USERID
disable = no
only_from   = 127.0.0.1 192.168.3.247 host.domain.co.uk
} 



-Original Message-
From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de] 
Sent: 23 April 2009 11:05
To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
 Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in 
 the nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers 
 which I have tried.

 My nrpe file looks like this:

 # default: on
 # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor) service nrpe {
 flags   = REUSE
 socket_type = stream
 port= 5666
 wait= no
 user= nagios
 group   = nagios
 server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
 server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
 log_on_failure  += USERID
 disable = no
 only_from   = 127.0.0.1
 }


 And my hosts.allow looks like

 #
 # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
 #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
 #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
 #
 nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk

 But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above 
 configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's
You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows 17.0.0.1 to
connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because you just allows
connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing in the hosts.allow
line?)

you can simply write the domain name to only_from.

If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line from
the xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.

Greetings,
Christian

 Thanks

 Martyn



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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Schneemann
On Thursday April 23 2009 01:01:41 pm Martyn wrote:
 I'm not being ignorant but as I complete novice on none windows boxes, how
 do I  put setting 3 in front of the line
Sorry, it should be #, no 3 (dumb shift mistake).

just comment the line out by putting the # in the front of the line:
# only_from   = 127.0.0.1


Sorry for that,
 Christian



 Many thanks for your reply

 Martyn

 -Original Message-
 From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de]
 Sent: 23 April 2009 11:05
 To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

 On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
  Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in
  the nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers
  which I have tried.
 
  My nrpe file looks like this:
 
  # default: on
  # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor) service nrpe {
  flags   = REUSE
  socket_type = stream
  port= 5666
  wait= no
  user= nagios
  group   = nagios
  server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
  server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
  log_on_failure  += USERID
  disable = no
  only_from   = 127.0.0.1
  }
 
 
  And my hosts.allow looks like
 
  #
  # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
  #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
  #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
  #
  nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk
 
  But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above
  configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's

 You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows 17.0.0.1
 to connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because you just allows
 connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing in the hosts.allow
 line?)

 you can simply write the domain name to only_from.

 If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line from
 the xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.

 Greetings,
   Christian

  Thanks
 
  Martyn

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Andreas Ericsson
Please don't top-post. The only valid reason to do it is to mention
something entirely unrelated to the content email you're responding
to (such as asking someone to stop top-posting ;-))

Martyn wrote:
 I'm not being ignorant but as I complete novice on none windows boxes, how
 do I  put setting 3 in front of the line
 

He meant you should escape the line by adding a hash-char (#) to
the beginning of the line containing 'only_from = 127.0.0.1'.

I expect his fingers slipped so the shift-key didn't get pressed
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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Martyn
I'm not being ignorant but as I complete novice on none windows boxes, how
do I  put setting 3 in front of the line

Many thanks for your reply

Martyn

-Original Message-
From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de] 
Sent: 23 April 2009 11:05
To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
 Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in 
 the nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers 
 which I have tried.

 My nrpe file looks like this:

 # default: on
 # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor) service nrpe {
 flags   = REUSE
 socket_type = stream
 port= 5666
 wait= no
 user= nagios
 group   = nagios
 server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
 server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
 log_on_failure  += USERID
 disable = no
 only_from   = 127.0.0.1
 }


 And my hosts.allow looks like

 #
 # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
 #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
 #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
 #
 nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk

 But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above 
 configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's
You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows 17.0.0.1 to
connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because you just allows
connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing in the hosts.allow
line?)

you can simply write the domain name to only_from.

If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line from
the xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.

Greetings,
Christian

 Thanks

 Martyn



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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Martyn
That has now done the trick but I'm a little confused as to why this work
under host.allow and not when used in my nrpe file, does anybody have the
answer to that?

Its on Centos 5.3, I'm going to try Fedora to see if that is the same

Thanks for your help

Martyn

PS what his top posting, once I find out I will stop it 

-Original Message-
From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de] 
Sent: 23 April 2009 12:06
To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

On Thursday April 23 2009 01:01:41 pm Martyn wrote:
 I'm not being ignorant but as I complete novice on none windows boxes, 
 how do I  put setting 3 in front of the line
Sorry, it should be #, no 3 (dumb shift mistake).

just comment the line out by putting the # in the front of the line:
# only_from   = 127.0.0.1


Sorry for that,
 Christian



 Many thanks for your reply

 Martyn

 -Original Message-
 From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de]
 Sent: 23 April 2009 11:05
 To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

 On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
  Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in 
  the nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers 
  which I have tried.
 
  My nrpe file looks like this:
 
  # default: on
  # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor) service nrpe {
  flags   = REUSE
  socket_type = stream
  port= 5666
  wait= no
  user= nagios
  group   = nagios
  server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
  server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
  log_on_failure  += USERID
  disable = no
  only_from   = 127.0.0.1
  }
 
 
  And my hosts.allow looks like
 
  #
  # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
  #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
  #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
  #
  nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk
 
  But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above 
  configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's

 You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows 
 17.0.0.1 to connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because 
 you just allows connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing 
 in the hosts.allow
 line?)

 you can simply write the domain name to only_from.

 If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line 
 from the xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.

 Greetings,
   Christian

  Thanks
 
  Martyn

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Schneemann
On Thursday 23 April 2009 13:35:26 Martyn wrote:
 That has now done the trick but I'm a little confused as to why this work
 under host.allow and not when used in my nrpe file, does anybody have the
 answer to that?
As I've written in the first mail, hosts.allow is the first instance which 
looks if the IP is allowed to connect to this service, then xinetd looks at 
the only_from and compares the IPs.
Your only_from contains just 127.0.0.1, thats localhost, nothing else as your 
server itself is allowed to connect to nrpe.

This has nothing to do with nagios/nrpe, please read about networking, xinetd, 
and linux in generall if you are not familiar with it.

Greetings


 Its on Centos 5.3, I'm going to try Fedora to see if that is the same

 Thanks for your help

 Martyn

 PS what his top posting, once I find out I will stop it

 -Original Message-
 From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de]
 Sent: 23 April 2009 12:06
 To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

 On Thursday April 23 2009 01:01:41 pm Martyn wrote:
  I'm not being ignorant but as I complete novice on none windows boxes,
  how do I  put setting 3 in front of the line

 Sorry, it should be #, no 3 (dumb shift mistake).

 just comment the line out by putting the # in the front of the line:
 # only_from   = 127.0.0.1


 Sorry for that,
  Christian

  Many thanks for your reply
 
  Martyn
 
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  From: Christian Schneemann [mailto:cschneem...@suse.de]
  Sent: 23 April 2009 11:05
  To: nagios-users@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1
 
  On Thursday April 23 2009 11:07:06 am Martyn wrote:
   Can anybody tell me how I use domains names instead of IP address in
   the nrpe file, I have read somewhere that you can use tcp wrappers
   which I have tried.
  
   My nrpe file looks like this:
  
   # default: on
   # description: NRPE (Nagios Remote Plugin Executor) service nrpe {
   flags   = REUSE
   socket_type = stream
   port= 5666
   wait= no
   user= nagios
   group   = nagios
   server  = /usr/local/nagios/bin/nrpe
   server_args = -c /usr/local/nagios/etc/nrpe.cfg --inetd
   log_on_failure  += USERID
   disable = no
   only_from   = 127.0.0.1
   }
  
  
   And my hosts.allow looks like
  
   #
   # hosts.allow   This file describes the names of the hosts which are
   #   allowed to use the local INET services, as decided
   #   by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server.
   #
   nrpe: 17.0.0.1 monitor.domain.co.uk
  
   But I'm still getting Could not complete SSL handshake, is the above
   configuration correct or can I not use domain names instead of IP's
 
  You have to adjust the olny_from line, your hosts.allow allows
  17.0.0.1 to connect to nrpe, but xinetd rejects the request, because
  you just allows connections from 127.0.0.1 (or is there the 2 missing
  in the hosts.allow
  line?)
 
  you can simply write the domain name to only_from.
 
  If you use the hosts.allow you could even exclude the only_from line
  from the xinetd configuration by setting 3 in front of the line.
 
  Greetings,
  Christian
 
   Thanks
  
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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Marc Powell

On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Martyn wrote:

 That has now done the trick but I'm a little confused as to why this  
 work
 under host.allow and not when used in my nrpe file, does anybody  
 have the
 answer to that?

NRPE's allowed_hosts only accepts ip addresses, not domain names.

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Marc Powell

On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Martyn wrote:

 PS what his top posting, once I find out I will stop it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style, specifically 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Martyn

On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Martyn wrote:

 PS what his top posting, once I find out I will stop it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style, specifically
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Schneemann
On Thursday 23 April 2009 13:47:38 Marc Powell wrote:
 On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Martyn wrote:
  That has now done the trick but I'm a little confused as to why this
  work
  under host.allow and not when used in my nrpe file, does anybody
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 NRPE's allowed_hosts only accepts ip addresses, not domain names.
That's not correct, domain names work here too.

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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Marc Powell

On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Christian Schneemann wrote:

 NRPE's allowed_hosts only accepts ip addresses, not domain names.
 That's not correct, domain names work here too.

I stand corrected. I could swear I looked at the code for that just a  
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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Kevin Keane
Top-posting means that you put what you have to say at the top of the 
reply the way I do it here. Bottom-posting means that you put your reply 
below the original message. Which of the two styles is preferred is 
largely a matter of personal taste, rather than right or wrong, 
actually*. Both have advantages, and some people tend to get very 
passionate about their particular style. I have seen moderators on both 
sides of the issue admonish members don't top-post or don't bottom-post.

In the original Internet culture, bottom-posting was preferred, and some 
people still like it better. Bottom posting makes most sense when you 
combine multiple thoughts in a single post, and want to be able to 
respond to each one individually. In my mind, most of the time top 
posting actually is better because the reply stands out more than the 
original question - which usually is what you want.

The majority of mailing lists that I am on seems to have switched to 
primarily top-posting, though, and most of the big email programs make 
it quite difficult to do bottom-posting. When you hit Reply, the cursor 
is usually positioned at the top of the page, not at the bottom.

My personal rule: if there already is a longer thread, stick with 
whatever style it has. The one thing you don't want to happen is having 
to look for the next reply because somebody switched style in the 
middle. If there is no pattern to follow (such as in this case), and I 
only want to respond to a post as a whole rather than individual points, 
I use top posting.

* technically speaking, there is a still-valid RFC that specifies 
bottom-posting, but in practical terms it has been obsoleted by history.

Martyn wrote:
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Re: [Nagios-users] only_from = 127.0.0.1

2009-04-23 Thread Marc Powell

On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Kevin Keane wrote:

 Top-posting means that you put what you have to say at the top of the
 reply the way I do it here. Bottom-posting means that you put your  
 reply
 below the original message.

Don't forget about the best method, inline reply.

 In the original Internet culture, bottom-posting was preferred, and  
 some

Actually, no. inline replying was and still is preferred for technical  
mailling lists. I'd hazard to say that's true the technical users on  
this list as well. The day you subscribe to a list via digest mode,  
you'll fully understand why. ;)

 In my mind, most of the time top posting actually is better because  
 the reply stands out more than the
 original question - which usually is what you want.

Not if you want to make multiple points without entirely restating  
what you're replying to. Try to make my responses sensible in a top or  
bottom posting context without doing that.

 The majority of mailing lists that I am on seems to have switched to
 primarily top-posting,

fooey. heh

 though, and most of the big email programs make
 it quite difficult to do bottom-posting. When you hit Reply, the  
 cursor
 is usually positioned at the top of the page, not at the bottom.

Double fooey. It's laziness. Not configuring the client to do it or  
get as close as possible and not using the highlight-delete combo :P I  
used Outlook for years, arguably the initiator of the top-posting  
epidemic, and had no problems responding in text/plain and inline.

 My personal rule: if there already is a longer thread, stick with
 whatever style it has.

That's great! If it's a top or bottom post, you're increasing the  
redundancy of what's stored/sent in everyone's mail client, in the  
archives and most terribly, in the digests. by the number of replies  
to that thread. Brilliant G. My personal rule is to use the style of  
the person who appears to be most able to answer whatever question I  
have ;) That's almost always inline as hackers see top/bottom posting  
as a waste of space/bandwidth/time.

 * technically speaking, there is a still-valid RFC that specifies
 bottom-posting, but in practical terms it has been obsoleted by  
 history.

That's arguable, but could approach the passion level of a discussion  
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