Re: [Nagios-users] OS Change Management Auditing using Nagios?

2009-04-15 Thread Kevin Keane
I am not using Nagios for that purpose, but rather Open-Audit. I believe 
there is a way to have changes in OA propagate to Nagios.

Another tool you may want to look into is tripwire; it generates exactly 
the logs based on changes that you were looking for. Then use the 
check_log plugin to monitor the tripwire log file.

The biggest concern with this type of tool that I would have is that 
monitoring OS changes is very labor-intensive. For me, to the point of 
impracticality. The problem is the sheer volume of patches that come out 
on a regular basis makes it all but impossible to keep up with. You'd 
have to look at every single patch and find out which files it changes 
before you have a way of knowing whether a particular tripwire alert is 
legitimate or not.

Ken Netzorg wrote:
 Is anyone leveraging Nagios for notification of changes done to 
 operating systems?

 I am looking to deploy a solution that monitors OS changes and 
 generates alerts when a configuration or file change is made. Is 
 anyone doing this type of thing through a Nagios plug-in? My goal 
 would be to know when an OS is being changed and be able to correlate 
 that to a scheduled change or potential compromise of the OS that 
 needs to be further investigated. (Something more holistic than basic 
 log monitoring unless there is a service that generates logs based on 
 changes that will then be captured by a log review.)

 The monitoring would be done on both Windows and Linux platforms.

 Thanks,
 Ken

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Re: [Nagios-users] OS Change Management Auditing using Nagios?

2009-04-15 Thread Ken Netzorg
Thanks, Kevin.
You do raise a valid point about knowing what is changing in the general
updates vs what is un-authorized and knowing the difference. My, possibly
naive, thought is that I could batch updates/patches and make the assumption
the changes are due to that process, but there is that chance something
changes in that period as well. If nothing else, changes at 2am or off
hours would hopefully raise an alarm to be investigated.

I'll take a look at Tripwire in more depth (I glanced at it briefly and
wasn't sure if it was too involved for what I was looking for or not) as
well as open-audit.

Thanks.
Ken

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.comwrote:

 I am not using Nagios for that purpose, but rather Open-Audit. I believe
 there is a way to have changes in OA propagate to Nagios.

 Another tool you may want to look into is tripwire; it generates exactly
 the logs based on changes that you were looking for. Then use the
 check_log plugin to monitor the tripwire log file.

 The biggest concern with this type of tool that I would have is that
 monitoring OS changes is very labor-intensive. For me, to the point of
 impracticality. The problem is the sheer volume of patches that come out
 on a regular basis makes it all but impossible to keep up with. You'd
 have to look at every single patch and find out which files it changes
 before you have a way of knowing whether a particular tripwire alert is
 legitimate or not.

 Ken Netzorg wrote:
  Is anyone leveraging Nagios for notification of changes done to
  operating systems?
 
  I am looking to deploy a solution that monitors OS changes and
  generates alerts when a configuration or file change is made. Is
  anyone doing this type of thing through a Nagios plug-in? My goal
  would be to know when an OS is being changed and be able to correlate
  that to a scheduled change or potential compromise of the OS that
  needs to be further investigated. (Something more holistic than basic
  log monitoring unless there is a service that generates logs based on
  changes that will then be captured by a log review.)
 
  The monitoring would be done on both Windows and Linux platforms.
 
  Thanks,
  Ken

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Re: [Nagios-users] OS Change Management Auditing using Nagios?

2009-04-15 Thread Kevin Keane
All that really depends on exactly how you are working. If you are 
manually applying the patches, and if you can take the machine offline 
for that period of time, your method will work. You'd simply have to 
tell tripwire to update its database. That's not a huge deal.

I am using automatic updates wherever possible, so all the updates are 
expected to happen around 3AM. Since that is the default setting (at 
least in Windows), a hacker might well use the same window to sneak in 
his own changes.

You are right - Tripwire is involved. When you are trying to track some 
tens of thousands of files (the size of most operating systems today) 
that is hardly surprising.

Ken Netzorg wrote:
 Thanks, Kevin.

 You do raise a valid point about knowing what is changing in the 
 general updates vs what is un-authorized and knowing the difference. 
 My, possibly naive, thought is that I could batch updates/patches and 
 make the assumption the changes are due to that process, but there is 
 that chance something changes in that period as well. If nothing 
 else, changes at 2am or off hours would hopefully raise an alarm to be 
 investigated.

 I'll take a look at Tripwire in more depth (I glanced at it briefly 
 and wasn't sure if it was too involved for what I was looking for or 
 not) as well as open-audit.

 Thanks.
 Ken

 On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com 
 mailto:subscript...@kkeane.com wrote:

 I am not using Nagios for that purpose, but rather Open-Audit. I
 believe
 there is a way to have changes in OA propagate to Nagios.

 Another tool you may want to look into is tripwire; it generates
 exactly
 the logs based on changes that you were looking for. Then use the
 check_log plugin to monitor the tripwire log file.

 The biggest concern with this type of tool that I would have is that
 monitoring OS changes is very labor-intensive. For me, to the point of
 impracticality. The problem is the sheer volume of patches that
 come out
 on a regular basis makes it all but impossible to keep up with. You'd
 have to look at every single patch and find out which files it changes
 before you have a way of knowing whether a particular tripwire
 alert is
 legitimate or not.

 Ken Netzorg wrote:
  Is anyone leveraging Nagios for notification of changes done to
  operating systems?
 
  I am looking to deploy a solution that monitors OS changes and
  generates alerts when a configuration or file change is made. Is
  anyone doing this type of thing through a Nagios plug-in? My goal
  would be to know when an OS is being changed and be able to
 correlate
  that to a scheduled change or potential compromise of the OS that
  needs to be further investigated. (Something more holistic than
 basic
  log monitoring unless there is a service that generates logs
 based on
  changes that will then be captured by a log review.)
 
  The monitoring would be done on both Windows and Linux platforms.
 
  Thanks,
  Ken

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