RE: long distance gigabit ethernet
* I'm looking at long-haul gigabit ethernet as a possible solution versus > traditional SONET and I'm a little bit wary as promises made on web pages > and white papers aren't *always* completely accurate. I'd appreciate it if > you all would share your experiences with it. By long-haul I mean in the > hundreds or thousands of miles. I need to know: Part of the MRV group you can find Optical Access and Charlotte's Web Networks solutions. We installed the solution for few Giga to OC48 in several places as backhaul connectivity and it works just find. It includes VLANS and MPLS on top of few Giga, OC48 Best Regard Chen Genossar VP Business Development phone: 972-4-9936290 fax: 972-4-9892743 mobile: 972-54-936290 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.OpticalAccess.com Optical Access part of the MRV group www.mrv.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg Pendergrass Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:54 PM To: Richard A Steenbergen Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: RE: long distance gigabit ethernet -Original Message- From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:47 AM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: long distance gigabit ethernet On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:36:22AM -0500, Greg Pendergrass wrote: > > I'm looking at long-haul gigabit ethernet as a possible solution versus > traditional SONET and I'm a little bit wary as promises made on web pages > and white papers aren't *always* completely accurate. I'd appreciate it if > you all would share your experiences with it. By long-haul I mean in the > hundreds or thousands of miles. I need to know: > > a. Does it work properly? > > b. Who offers it in the continental US? I'm going to take a stab and assume that you're actually more interested in finding a longhaul line with GigE on the ends, and not so much how many miles you can get with whatever optics... Absolutely right, I don't care what's in between as long as I have GigE at the end. Other options include using wave (too expensive), or ethernet over MPLS (worth considering although latency may be too high for longer that 1000 miles). GP
RE: long distance gigabit ethernet
Hi Greg, Are you familiar with companies that provide two gig Ethernets into an OC-48 channel ? Best Regard Chen Genossar VP Business Development phone: 972-4-9936290 fax: 972-4-9892743 mobile: 972-54-936290 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.OpticalAccess.com Optical Access part of the MRV group www.mrv.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Rimovsky Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:42 PM To: Greg Pendergrass Cc: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' Subject: Re: long distance gigabit ethernet One thing to consider here is that you have to buy and OC-192 service for 10GbE WAN phy. That is prohibitively expensive for many. Also, be sure to ask Ethernet vendors about their time frames for WAN PHY support. While there is a spec for WAN PHY, there has been a disconnect between the telco and ethernet oriented industries about which PHY will make money for them the fastest. Ethernet vendors in the 10G space typically provide LAN PHY now with vauge plans for WAN phy over the next 18 months. There are exceptions already and this will resolve over time. However, if you are seriously looking at 10GigE today, this is worth spending some time on. For GbE, another direction to look at is the DWDM products that can feed two gig ethernets into an OC-48 channel. On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 10:45:12AM -0500, Bill St. Arnaud wrote: > > Forget it with today's technology. All long haul systems use SONET framing. > But with the 10Gbe standard WAN PHY you can directly connect into a SONET > transponder and your ethernet will be carried transparently. > > Bill > > - > Bill St. Arnaud > Senior Director Network Projects > CANARIE Inc > www.canarie.ca/~bstarn > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Greg Pendergrass > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:36 AM > > To: 'Nanog@Merit. Edu' > > Subject: long distance gigabit ethernet > > > > > > > > I'm looking at long-haul gigabit ethernet as a possible solution versus > > traditional SONET and I'm a little bit wary as promises made on web pages > > and white papers aren't *always* completely accurate. I'd > > appreciate it if > > you all would share your experiences with it. By long-haul I mean in the > > hundreds or thousands of miles. I need to know: > > > > a. Does it work properly? > > > > b. Who offers it in the continental US? > > > > Please contact me off-list. Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Greg Pendergrass > > > >
DNS-O.NET?
Is anyone aware of the significance of the domain dns-o.net in China. I just registered this domain for another purpose and pointed it to an empty website for now and the log file is full of what appear to be requests for random URLs (mostly for banners .gifs, etc). I'm just curious if anyone knows the history of that domain. AGN Domain Name Services, Inc http://www.adns.net Since 1995. The Registry for .AMERICA, .EARTH, .LION, .USA and .Z Define yourself or Be Defined. Censorship-free GA list at : http://dns-o.org/mailman/listinfo/ga
Yipes
Hello, Almost a year ago Ralph Los asked the following: "2. They're not funded yet, and selling WAY below cost. Does this mean that a year from now they're going to triple their prices? worse?" Yesterday they declared bankruptcy: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/23/BU240955.DTL&type=business Ralph -- if you are still around, I hear Miss Cleo is hiring :). allan -- allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.allan.org
RE: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
> Subject: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments? > > I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional > upstream provider. > > If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any > feedback on them? > Thanks. > > - mz Given the rapidly shrinking size of the geographic area served, the sale of all of the dialup business to Earthlink and the closure of many of the data centers I would not be surprised to see significant depeering with Verio in the near future. We had service with Verio for several years. Don't expect to be able to resolve BGP issues any time other than 9-5pm. First level dedicated access tech support is sometimes difficult to reach and can be extremely clueless. Billing is an utter basket case. I really like the part where Verio closed the Toledo POP and left town but is still billing us for service. I'm waiting for them to call and threaten to shut us off - that should be a fairly humorous conversation. The network itself was decent. Good connectivity and low latency but I wouldn't expect it to last much longer. Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 833-3635
Re: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
On 23 Mar 2002 at 9:23, matthew zeier wrote: > I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider. > > If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? > Thanks. We heard here in Eugene Oregon that Verio is pulling back from 32(?) markets to 25(?) markets. The local contracts apparently say something to the effect that the clients have a multi year contract but VERIO can pull out any time. 1. Who would present a contract like that? 2. Who would sign a contract like that? Ohhh well.
Re: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Jason Slagle wrote: > > AFAIK, Verio is shrinking back to a small footprint. As far as I'm concerned, Verio is the new AGIS...host to many "bulletproof" commercial spammers. Complaints to abuse@ and a host of other verio addresses are apparently ignored since I keep receiving spams from the same verio customers. The worst one is: Custom Offers (NETBLK-C052-128-121-16-224) C052-128-121-16-224 128.121.16.224 - 128.121.16.255 Verio Data Centers - Sterling/Dulles (NETBLK-VRIO-128-121-000) VRIO-128-121-000 128.121.0.0 - 128.121.31.255 Verio Inc. (NETBLK-VRIO-128-121) VRIO-128-121128.121.0.0 - 128.121.255.255 > ... > I would avoid them if at all possible. I would agree and would not recommend anyone buy anything from verio. If you have circuit contracts up for renewal, ask your salesdroid about verio's policy on spam, and take your business elsewhere. -- -- Jon Lewis *[EMAIL PROTECTED]*| I route System Administrator| therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
AFAIK, Verio is shrinking back to a small footprint. We ordered service from them in Toledo, and after being over a year late in being turned up due to delays on their end, we got a letter from Verio Legal stating they were pulling out of Toledo, leaving us with a DS3 into their pop that they refuse to pay term liability on. I would avoid them if at all possible. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . Admin - spork/wombat.dal.net X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . Team Lead - Coding The DALnet IRC Network / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, matthew zeier wrote: > > > I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider. > > If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? > Thanks. > > - mz > > -- > matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just > get used to them." - Johann von Neumann >
Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
I'm looking into possibly using Verio as an additional upstream provider. If you have any experience with Verio, can you give me any feedback on them? Thanks. - mz -- matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - Johann von Neumann
RE: Senator Hollings is at it again
> > So cool, in fact, that I think that this bill is doomed because > > it does not go far enough to support exactly that sort of development. > > What I would like to know is, in the unlikely event that this > bill passed, how is it supposed to be implemented? > Particularly among the free software community, which most > likely wouldn't have the resources to implement this in the > timeline specified in this bill. Which should make us suspicious that MS is involved someplace, as well. Russ (not representing cisco, of course) __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCIE <>< Grace Alone
