RE: Quick Question on Industry Standard

2002-04-07 Thread Gary Blankenship
Title: Message



Kim:

Any thoughts?

OK, 
I'll bite. 

CAUTION: As always, my email is long, wordy, 
technical and sometimes skirts off topic; however, I've got to put up with free 
marketing references to Cisco/Juniperat every turn on NANOG. It's 
nice to get Foundry's name here every once in awhile. We're all good 
companies. For the most part (95%), I'll stay on HA operational topics for 
the NANOG reader.

Some 
recommended books on this subject are listed below. I will refer to these 
books during this email:

Top 
Down Network Design by Priscilla Oppenheimer (Cisco Press)
Designing Enterprise Routing and Switching 
Architectures by Howard Berkowitz (McMillan Press)
High 
Availability Network Fundamentals by Chris Oggerino (Cisco 
Press)

Lot's 
of other referencesto include industry standards by Telcordia (how's your 
calculus?). See HA Networking Fundamentals for a good root reference 
list.

I 
guess the main thing to do is look on page 48 of Priscilla's book. She 
categorizes customer requirements and recommends a method to prioritize those 
requirements for network design tradeoffs. I've added "profitability" to 
the list for service providers. You can tailor it to your business 
goals. I go back to this a lot and it helps me know where availability 
sits as a design requirement.

Now we 
have to think about what you mean by "Industry Standard". This definitely 
depends on the industry; however, it varies per company based on design 
requirements mapped to business goals of YOUR company in that industry. 
Obviously, having better availability is just one part of a multi-faceted 
competitive business plan. In some industries, it is assumed to be basic 
to have high availability. Other's ignore it. 

Some 
components you must look at are:

Human 
Error/Process Error
Physical Infrastructure Security and 
Robustness
Equipment Quality
Technologies
Special Events, Risks, and Threats (Sean Donelan 
digging up your fiber, hacker attack, governmental or organizational 
shutdown/de-peering, war or political unrest, resource shortages, economy, 
insert your imagination here)
Maintenance

On the 
technology side, basically... The lower you push your redundant failover 
technology, the better your failover. SONET APS can failover in 50ms over 
and over again. L2 and L3 protocols continue to operate as normal with 
minimum In-Flight Packet loss (IFP). This is exactly why the 10GbE Forum 
is promoting APS in the 10GbE WAN PHY! 

Foundry Networks (my company) has two new technologies that can give you 
sub second failover and avoid the failover of L3 and slower L2 redundancy 
protocols (RSTP and STP). The technologies are Metro Ring Protocol and 
Virtual Switch Redundancy Protocol. Both of these are currently in beta 
(soon to be released), but I've been playing with them for the past week. 
VSRP is VRRP on L2 steroids (sub second failover). Easy to understand (one 
switch is actively forwarding while the other is on standby).All of 
these L2 protocols are interoperable on the same devices in the same networks 
(RSTP, STP, VSRP, MRP). A customer can run STPwith a provider VSRP 
edge and MRP core. VLAN stacking and STP tunneling is supported for those 
of you looking at Metro business plans. Below is an example of HA 
technology with MRP. Take a look at this 
topology:

 _P1A
PE1 1 
| ___P2A___P2C
 
\_P1B/2 
| _P4A
 
\___P2B___P3A/3 
|
 
\_PE2

I've 
got link P2B to P3A running MPLS (LER to LER, don't ask why, it's just a lab) 
OC-48 (wire speed 2.5G) with Draft Martini L2 VPN. Link P2A to P2C is 
802.3ae draft 4.2 compliant 10GbE. All other links are GbE. I've got 
50 VLAN's. 25 of them travel clockwise around the rings and 25 of them 
travel counter clockwise. Each group of 25 is grouped in a topology group 
and run an instance of MRP on the lead (master) VLAN of that topology 
group. Rings are 1, 2, and 3. I really hope my diagram shows up OK 
for the readers of this email.

The 
MRP ring masters are PE1 for ring1, P1B for ring 2, and PE2 for ring 3. 
MRP masters send out Ring Health Packets (RHP) around the ring every 100ms 
(configurable). They originate these out of their primary ports and 
receive them on their secondary ports. MRP masters block forwarding on 
their secondary ports if they receive the RHP's. They transition to 
forwarding (ring broken) when they stop receiving the RHP's. 


Now 
let's assume that all traffic is taking the bottom path via MRP primary paths on 
the masters. OK, let's start pinging (192.168.1.40 is PE2 loopback 
address):

PE1#ping 192.168.1.40 count 1 time 800Sending 1, 
16-byte ICMP Echo to 192.168.1.40, timeout 800 msec, TTL 64Type Control-c to 
abort 511000Request timed out.  Here I unplug PE1 to 
P1B link(primary path).1 In-Flight Packet(IFP) 
lost. 854000Request timed out.  Here I unplug PE1B to 
P2B link (primary path) 1 IFP lost 116Request timed out. 
Here I unplug P3A to PE2 link (primary path) 2 IFP's lost. All traffic on 

Load balancing in routers

2002-04-07 Thread abhijit bare


Does anybody know what are load balancing algorithms
by most routers ? Where can I more information about
this ?

thanks
Abhi

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NANOG on Trial

2002-04-07 Thread Paul Revere


* To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Subject: Legal Recourse
* From: Nick Catalano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:07:46 -0600


Recently my personal system has been attacked by
someone from the IRC
channel #nanog on EFNet. This along with multiple
instances of
showing/providing pornography to minors as well as
defamation of
character/slander as well as numerous other civil and
criminal items
have really plagued my past 3 months. I think it's
time to look into
fighting back.

Other than to warn others of the pending danger of
dealing with the
immature people found within that channel, I would
love to know what all
legal recourse I have in this matter. I have a lawyer
but I am not quite
ready to sue.

I fully expect to get flamed by this, of course. Yet I
also expect most
of those who flame me to be from Nanog.  I don't care
how you play the
game, but if you try to play me you can burn in hell.
Strong words from
a person who isn't going to take it anymore.

- Nick Catalano
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n|Catalano Ventures :: The Next Generation is Coming
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