Re: Certification or College degrees?
(this is actually my first NANOG post ever...) --On Thursday, May 23, 2002 03:07:55 +0100 cw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am currently studying a BSc degree in merry old England. I have > just finished my second year (well I'm part way through the exams). > When I applied to do my degree I found two universities whose course > were anything related to Networking. Mine is called Computing > (Networks and Communications). At the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, Sweden, we have a series of courses that focus on networking. The starting one can be seen as "getting the programmer to know IP's quirks", but as we progress, we teach deeper and deeper into the technicalities of routing, including theory of routing (discussion of Dijkstra, and similar) and practice; we have a routing lab where we first make them understand that static routes don't work and then progress into understanding first OSPF, then BGP. The entire package runs over a period of half a year. Prereqisites are that the student is at her/his third year in a Master of Science path aiming for one of Computer Science, Technical Physics or Electric Engineering; i.e. we want people to have a solid ground in theory before we teach them the dirty details of networking. The best students are encouraged to write their final paper in the field of networking. Some of these are later found working at KTHNOC operating the NREN Sunet and the pan-Nordic REN NorduNet. Myself, I teach DNS in the introductory classes, including such novelties as DNSSEC, which we have the students sweat over in the lab. I've been somewhat depressed by the point-and-click generation, who don't understand classic Unix, (because the DNS part does border quite a bit on sysadmin stuff, which we do not teach) but on the whole, it's been successful. -- Måns NilssonSystems Specialist +46 70 681 7204 KTHNOC MN1334-RIPE We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead.
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
> The net worked before DNS existed 'cept we hit this little scaling problem > I'm more concerned about well-meaning people and Secure-BGP than > DNS. run a few thousand zones, and you'll worry about the dns too randy
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Randy Bush wrote: > but semi-clued governments and semi-clued folk in general seem to > be attracted to the domain name space. i suspect it is one of > those areas that appear simpler, more powerful, and more lucrative > than they actually are. running a cctld well is a major pita with > no thanks and thin rewards. The net worked before DNS existed, and could work after DNS. If DNS serves no other purpose than to keep semi-clued governments and semi- clued folks in general distracted from messing with things which could really break the net, its good. I'm more concerned about well-meaning people and Secure-BGP than DNS.
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
> ISC has had very little in the way of problems as a .ZA slave its the ac.za and co.za messes
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Bush) writes: > well, za and some of its principal subdomains are the highest error > rate zones i secondary or use. but i can imagine a different part > of the government doing an even funkier job. the contest is likely > keen. ISC has had very little in the way of problems as a .ZA slave, fwiw. [phred.isc:alpha] ls -l *.[a-z][a-z] ?? -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 282852 May 25 08:41 bg -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 284449 May 25 08:04 br -rw-r--r-- 1 root system5149177 May 25 07:59 cl -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 69640307 May 25 07:28 com.br -rw-r--r-- 1 root system7722812 May 25 06:55 cz -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 15684581 May 25 04:33 fr -rw-r--r-- 1 root system393 May 25 08:53 kailua-kona.hi.us -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 9585 May 25 08:38 palo-alto.ca.us -rw-r--r-- 1 root system 9409 May 25 04:57 za (btw, more are welcome if anybody else needs a feeless TLD/SLD slave.) > but semi-clued governments and semi-clued folk in general seem to > be attracted to the domain name space. i suspect it is one of > those areas that appear simpler, more powerful, and more lucrative > than they actually are. running a cctld well is a major pita with > no thanks and thin rewards. brother, you just said a mouthful.
Re: AOL and Sprint
On Sat, 25 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone else unable to reach AOL this morning via Sprint's network? I can > get there through C&W or UUNet, but not via Sprint. No problem here (at Sat May 25 10:29:18 EDT 2002): traceroute to 8.internet.aol.com (205.188.76.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 lancastrian (208.8.16.1) 0.332 ms 0.385 ms 0.254 ms 2 sl-gw17-pen-2-0-0-TS6.sprintlink.net (144.232.201.29) 4.546 ms 4.431 3 sl-bb23-pen-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.16.238) 4.325 ms 4.405 ms 4 sl-bb27-nyc-15-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.102) 6.589 ms 6.246 ms 5 sl-gw37-nyc-1-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.13.66) 6.444 ms 6.273 ms 6 sl-ameronl-16-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.228.74) 6.267 ms 6.227 ms 7 bb2-nye-P5-0.atdn.net (66.185.141.18) 81.659 ms 164.309 ms 221.260 8 bb2-vie-P8-0.atdn.net (66.185.153.118) 10.820 ms 10.742 ms 216.182 9 bb2-dtc-P1-3.atdn.net (66.185.152.229) 11.731 ms 11.792 ms 11.875 10 pop2-dtc-P15-0.atdn.net (66.185.140.30) 11.707 ms 11.781 ms 11.595 11 swing2-dr5-P0-0.atdn.net (66.185.145.78) 11.539 ms 11.671 ms 11.511 12 gar1-dr2-P13-0.red.aol.com (205.188.64.226) 11.688 ms 11.499 ms 13 berp-fi05.dial.aol.com (205.188.76.13) 11.720 ms 11.752 ms 11.889 James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://3.am =
AOL and Sprint
Anyone else unable to reach AOL this morning via Sprint's network? I can get there through C&W or UUNet, but not via Sprint. -- -- Jon Lewis *[EMAIL PROTECTED]*| I route System Administrator| therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
what i did was negligible. many folk in za, vic shaw, jacot guillarmod, alan barrett, chris pinkham, and then the whole uucp crew up on the reef, did the real work. but mike did push it, though with vastly excessive use of violence. > However, there is a larger arrogance he is battling - a poorly > informed committee writing bad legislation that presumes they can > do a better job of administering .za than he can. well, za and some of its principal subdomains are the highest error rate zones i secondary or use. but i can imagine a different part of the government doing an even funkier job. the contest is likely keen. but semi-clued governments and semi-clued folk in general seem to be attracted to the domain name space. i suspect it is one of those areas that appear simpler, more powerful, and more lucrative than they actually are. running a cctld well is a major pita with no thanks and thin rewards. randy
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
Yes it is .. And I am aware of the great deal of assistance you provided for the initial UUCP links here. http://www.nsrc.org/about.html However, there is a larger arrogance he is battling - a poorly informed committee writing bad legislation that presumes they can do a better job of administering .za than he can. Cheers, Andy! On Fri, 24 May 2002, Randy Bush wrote: > > > "I write in my capacity as the person who brought the Internet to > > South Africa, > > that must be mike lawrie. only he has such misplaced arrogance. > > randy > >
