RE: Curing the BIND pain
Michael - one of the things that I am sure of is that this life and in fact things on this earth are moving targets. And what I see you saying here is leave us alone - I want it to stay the way it was... Am I wrong and if so how? Uhh, do I have to say it again? If you want to change the world, create new protocols or build an working group on some topic or other, you really shouldn't try to do it on NANOG because it just ain't gonna work. What I want is irrelevant. NANOG is what it is and it isn't going to change much unless and until it fails to meet the needs of its members. --Michael Dillon
Re: Semi-OT: solicitations to nanog
So as not to cluter up the list, I've posted the response/thread of email I received regarding this, complete with the explaination so to speak. I don't buy it, but perhaps I'm missing something. http://www.rocknyou.com/nanogspam.html I was surprised to get a response none the less. Cheers -Joe - Original Message - From: Dan Hollis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Semi-OT: solicitations to nanog Just curious if anyone feels that jeff wheeler's friendster solicitation[1] was appropriate content for the nanog ml? -Dan -- [1]http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg08799.html
AOL---
Title: AOL--- Is there anyone lurking out there from the AOL NOC? I have an issue I need to discuss with you without the voice mail roulette or number extension jeopardy.. Please respond off-list. Jim
Re: Semi-OT: solicitations to nanog
Joe wrote: So as not to cluter up the list, I've posted the response/thread of email I received regarding this, complete with the explaination so to speak. I don't buy it, but perhaps I'm missing something. http://www.rocknyou.com/nanogspam.html I was surprised to get a response none the less. In this particular case, reguardless of the Friendster TOS (which I don't believe supported the action), it is (if I'm not mistaken) the list maintainer's call concerning whether it was appropriate or not and what action (if any) is needed. My personal opinion is that the list is designed to bring people together and its membership is, I'm sure, aware that there are other ways of communications which are often handled on a case by case basis off-list (or perhaps the off-topic list depending on it's charter?). -Jack
Re: [Re: Semi-OT: solicitations to nanog]
i seem to remember other similar 'solicitations' by nanog members seeking to join up with fellow networkers in their local community, at the next arin/nanog/sushi/etc meeting...i don't think that this is really that much different. granted, i don't know how 'tasteful' it was, but i am sure that jeff has been sufficiently spammed^W informed about the situation. (maybe he was trying to pull some of the noise from the list to a social organization, thereby increasing the signal level for us to discuss more valid things like the comparing pe^H^Hego^H^H^Hrouter size) now is shall step back to let the next nanoger forth to desperately flail the pulpy carcass or this thing that used to be a fine equine Jack Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe wrote: So as not to cluter up the list, I've posted the response/thread of email I received regarding this, complete with the explaination so to speak. I don't buy it, but perhaps I'm missing something. http://www.rocknyou.com/nanogspam.html I was surprised to get a response none the less. In this particular case, reguardless of the Friendster TOS (which I don't believe supported the action), it is (if I'm not mistaken) the list maintainer's call concerning whether it was appropriate or not and what action (if any) is needed. My personal opinion is that the list is designed to bring people together and its membership is, I'm sure, aware that there are other ways of communications which are often handled on a case by case basis off-list (or perhaps the off-topic list depending on it's charter?). -Jack Walk with me through the Universe, And along the way see how all of us are Connected. Feast the eyes of your Soul, On the Love that abounds. In all places at once, seemingly endless, Like your own existence. - Stephen Hawking -
RE: AOL---
Title: AOL--- Thanks to those that responded off-list I believe the issue has been handled... Jim -Original Message-From: McBurnett, Jim Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: AOL--- Is there anyone lurking out there from the AOL NOC? I have an issue I need to discuss with you without the voice mail roulette or number extension jeopardy.. Please respond off-list. Jim
Re: Router too busy???
Thus spake Mark J. Scheller [EMAIL PROTECTED] After convincing someone to drive to its location and do a power cycle, it rebooted happily and has run fine since. My mrtg graphs show that the CPU was pegged at 100% during the time it was acting up; memory was fine; traffic was (not surprisingly) very low -- and no spike prior to the CPU getting pegged. ... Has anyone seen anything like this before? Basically, I'm wondering whether this may be an IOS bug or whether I may have hardware on its way out or whether this was some kind of new crafty DoS attack. In my experience, this is most often caused by overzealous NMS types accidentally downloading the routing table every few minutes. DoS attacks against routers are thankfully pretty rare, but it's possible. Since you didn't list the IOS version you're running, I can't comment on the odds of this being a bug. S Stephen Sprunk God does not play dice. --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSSdice at every possible opportunity. --Stephen Hawking
sFLOW collector?
I am trying to implement sflow in my network, and looking for a free sflow collector, that I can use to better see my peer to peer, and route utilization. Right now I have the problem of not knowing how much of my traffic is coming/going to what ASs. I have installed ntop so far, but don't see the tools/benefits that I am looking for to help me specifically with the BGP. Is there a plug-in that I am missing or something. If someone could point me in the right direction, or recommend another free collector that could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. TIA, Darrell
Re: sFLOW collector?
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Darrell Carley wrote: If someone could point me in the right direction, or recommend another free collector that could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. We use Argus http://www.qosient.com/argus/ I guess we kind of have a paternal link to it. It is very nice, very flexible. We are able to monitor our core network, our egress. It has a nice model, using probes to get the data and collectors to (guess what) collect the data. For any significant amount of traffic, you don't want to do complex filtering of the data on the same machine that is trying to collect that data. I am a user of the software, not an implementer or inhouse developer of it, so I don't know how hard it is to get up and running. Using it is fairly simple though. It is quite flexible and worth looking at. Peter Hill Network Engineer Carnegie Mellon University
Re: sFLOW collector?
We use flow-tools. It doesn't have a graphical interface, but there is a perl module that you can use to write your own. We actually use perl to summarize and put into a database, and then PHP for the front end. http://www.splintered.net/sw/flow-tools/ Thanks, Adam Debus Linux Certified Professional, Linux Certified Administrator #447641 Network Administrator, ReachONE Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darrell Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: sFLOW collector? I am trying to implement sflow in my network, and looking for a free sflow collector, that I can use to better see my peer to peer, and route utilization. Right now I have the problem of not knowing how much of my traffic is coming/going to what ASs. I have installed ntop so far, but don't see the tools/benefits that I am looking for to help me specifically with the BGP. Is there a plug-in that I am missing or something. If someone could point me in the right direction, or recommend another free collector that could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. TIA, Darrell
RE: NANOG Splinter List (Was: State Super-DMCA Too True)
If you want to splinter off to lists that already exist and actually have a number of NANOG participants, can I recommend Cybertelecom-l : federal initiatives that impact the Internet with an emphasis on the FCC www.cybertelecom.org Cyberia-l : general rabble about Internet law with lots of intellectual property bickering = | Washington Internet Project | | www.cybertelecom.org| | cannon(a)cybertelecom.org | __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com
Re: Looking for advice on datacenter electrical/generator
Yo Dan! On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Dan Lockwood wrote: He also is strongly opposed to us purchasing a natural gas generator which seemed like a shoe-in for us. I know of several cases where the San Jose fire marshall turned off natural gas as a precaution. You may wish to discuss with your local fire marshall under what conditions they will turn off the gas. Some places require auto-shutoff valves for NG as an earthquake precaution. RGDS GARY --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676
Large tanks of pressurized hydrogen
Greetings list, I recently ran across this company: http://www.hydrogenics.com/hyups.htm They're marketing a hydrogen fuel cell generator to the telecom market. I know they have a few competitors (Ballard Power Systems?), with more companies in the RD phase of product development. Would you store a large tank of pressurized hydrogen in a downtown Manhattan office building? Should people legally be allowed to? Does anyone think fuel cell technology is a viable replacement for Diesel generators yet? NY Times article, 11/19/02 for those who haven't seen it yet: http://ufalocal94.org/news_stories/nytimes/nytimes_11_19_02.html
Re: Looking for advice on datacenter electrical/generator
I don't know what policy is like in the USA, but before a fire crew even breathes here in Toronto, they shut off the gas. Not to mention that in the event of any political disaster, the supply of natural gas just cannot be guaranteed. Although it took a lot of begging, we were able to put a 200KW diesel on top of our wooden building. Wouldn't have it any other way. On the topic of batteries, our rule of thumb has been to have enough batteries around to cover a situation in which the genset does not start. That most likely will happen when nobody is paying attention and everybody competant is drunk at an office party. Even if you have a maintenance contract on the genset with a 1 hour response time, odds are that something is screwed up where the service guy will need a part that is somewhere else, etc. etc. Do a risk./benefit analysis. There is a point you reach where the cost of redundancy outweighs the cost of downtime. Dan. Alex Rubenstein wrote: He also is strongly opposed to us purchasing a natural gas generator which seemed like a shoe-in for us. We currently have a 133 kwatt nat gas genset. It has performed flawlessly -- they work well. The point of the marshall shutting of gas is a valid one, but I've not run across that. Also, if you are in a situation that the fire marshall need sto shut of nat gas, it may be a moot issue. -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, [EMAIL PROTECTED], latency, Al Reuben -- --Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
Re: Large tanks of pressurized hydrogen
Um, hydrogen fuel cell != pressurized tank of hydrogen Most sources of hydrogen for fuel cells will probably be from breaking down a hydrocarbon hootch of some sort, stealing the hydrogen and (hopefully) storing the rest for recycling... http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell.htm If they are trying to make it safe for use in cars, then it probably going to be safe enough to use in a backup generator situation. /herb -Original Message- From: Eric Kuhnke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Large tanks of pressurized hydrogen Greetings list, I recently ran across this company: http://www.hydrogenics.com/hyups.htm They're marketing a hydrogen fuel cell generator to the telecom market. I know they have a few competitors (Ballard Power Systems?), with more companies in the RD phase of product development. Would you store a large tank of pressurized hydrogen in a downtown Manhattan office building? Should people legally be allowed to? Does anyone think fuel cell technology is a viable replacement for Diesel generators yet? NY Times article, 11/19/02 for those who haven't seen it yet: http://ufalocal94.org/news_stories/nytimes/nytimes_11_19_02.html
Reporting Internet incidents to Homeland Security
In case you missed the memo, Howard Schmidt acting chairman of the President's Cybersecurity Board announced the National Communications System is the place you are supposed to report Internet infrastructure incidents. http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2003/0331/web-cyber-04-02-03.asp Many incidents can be handled by the private sector, but there is current discussion about how to better define expectations on the government side and to institutionalize what type of incidents will be automatically reported to the government, Schmidt said. One step officials already have made is to establish the National Communications System (NCS) as the key contact point for industry representatives when reporting Internet infrastructure incidents, he said.
