rogers cable

2003-11-08 Thread Andrew D Kirch

I need someone from Rodgers cable, specifically their DNS administrators
to contact me off-list if they could.  it appears that one of your DNS
cache servers may be mis-configured.
Thanks.

-- 

Andrew D Kirch  |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]| 
Security Admin  |  Summit Open Source Development Group  | www.sosdg.org



Re: This may be stupid but..

2003-11-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Vadim Antonov writes on 11/8/2003 7:49 PM:

Better use networking and referrals, and Internet-based resources.
Posting to nanog will already have got him a lot of quality resumes, I 
think :)

--
srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.com // gpg : EDEDEFB9
manager, outblaze.com security and antispam operations


Re: Openwave Opinions

2003-11-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Rubens Kuhl Jr. writes on 11/8/2003 7:51 PM:

Sometimes outsourcing corporate / isp mail handling to a provider like
us, criticalpath, postini etc might be a good way to go.
Outsourcing is usually a good way to get a solution with expertise instead
of a next->next->finish software installation and license to use it... but
for ISP use, integration with internal OSS (billing, tech-support etc.)
seems to be a challenge. Outsourcing costs also keeps most ISPs from using
such a solution, unless time-to-market is the one and only criteria.
Well - there are ways (such as that the outsourcer only handles the MX 
for the domain[s], and then routes all inbound mail to the ISP, who 
handles file storage / pop3 / webmail).  Or an onsite install of the mta 
/ antispam solution etc, updated by the outsourcer (push updates using 
rsync, for example) but sitting on racks in the ISP's data center.

--
srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.com // gpg : EDEDEFB9
manager, outblaze.com security and antispam operations


Re: Openwave Opinions

2003-11-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.


> > Every mail product that costs lots of money will yield a worse overall
> > solution that using a good free/open-source mail software (postfix,
qmail,
> > exim... pick one) and spending money on people with good technical
skills to
> > tune and adapt the system. Unless, of course, your financial resources
are
> > unlimited...
>
> It is not just financial resources - it is also a factor of time to
> build a filter / set of filters from scratch (even with spamassasin +
> bogofilter you need to train it extensively, and tweak its rulesets to
> suit your mail flow).

I think this part of question was referring only to MTAs, not MTA +
anti-spam/virus tools. Anti-spam tuning is really a bit slower to do than
general performance tuning (MTA or MTA + anti-virus), but this will be true
to whatever MTA software and anti-spam one might buy.


> Sometimes outsourcing corporate / isp mail handling to a provider like
> us, criticalpath, postini etc might be a good way to go.

Outsourcing is usually a good way to get a solution with expertise instead
of a next->next->finish software installation and license to use it... but
for ISP use, integration with internal OSS (billing, tech-support etc.)
seems to be a challenge. Outsourcing costs also keeps most ISPs from using
such a solution, unless time-to-market is the one and only criteria.


Rubens









Re: This may be stupid but..

2003-11-08 Thread Vadim Antonov



The only problem - they have no clue about the profession they're
recruiting for and tend to judge applicants not by them saying reasonable
things but by their self-assuredness and by keywords in resume.

Recruiters are only good for initial screening and attracting applicants,
and in this economic climate theis services are nearly worthless, too. As
for presuming they actually read resumes... well, they may, but they never
seem to be able to distinguish between reality and exaggregation or
outright lies.  In the end, they screen out all geeks and you end up with
a bunch of polished liars.

Better use networking and referrals, and Internet-based resources.

--vadim

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003,  John Brown (CV) wrote:

> 
> so negotiate with the recruiter.
> 
> benifits of a recuriter are:
> 
> * they take the twit calls
> * they read thru the resumes and sort the junk out
> * they do the screening
> * they do the reference and background checks
> * they have more resources to find people than you do
> 
> this saves you time and money on your end.  time better
> spent building customer base, solving customer problems, etc.
> 
> and if you do a good contract with the recruiter, if the
> person you hire is sacked, they find you a new one at no cost :)
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:16:46PM -0500, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
> > 
> > If this question is inappropriate for this list I apoligize in advance.
> > 
> > I have several open engineering positions that I am trying to fill without
> > the use of a recruiter.  My thoughts on using a recruiter is they end up
> > extracting a fee from the employer that would be better put to the future
> > employee.  
> > 
> > My question, what is the most effective way to recruit quality engineers?
> > Does anyone have experience or opinions to share?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > Shawn




Re: Openwave Opinions

2003-11-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Rubens Kuhl Jr. writes on 11/8/2003 5:53 PM:


Anyone have any openwave mail MX opinions or experience good or bad?


Every mail product that costs lots of money will yield a worse overall
solution that using a good free/open-source mail software (postfix, qmail,
exim... pick one) and spending money on people with good technical skills to
tune and adapt the system. Unless, of course, your financial resources are
unlimited...
It is not just financial resources - it is also a factor of time to 
build a filter / set of filters from scratch (even with spamassasin + 
bogofilter you need to train it extensively, and tweak its rulesets to 
suit your mail flow).

Sometimes outsourcing corporate / isp mail handling to a provider like 
us, criticalpath, postini etc might be a good way to go.

Or you might elect to get a managed antispam solution that plugs into 
your mta (kind of like brightmail or spamsquelcher.org)

Design question:  Is it better to have integrated or seperate Anti-spam
and
Anti-virus built into the mail platform?
The unix way - one tool per job.  Build a mail system out of components 
- it is often the best way to go.

	srs

--
srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.com // gpg : EDEDEFB9
manager, outblaze.com security and antispam operations


Re: Datacenter Spec's

2003-11-08 Thread Sean Donelan

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a good resource for datacenter spec's or best
> practices?

There isn't a one-size fits all data center spec.  I try to outline
various considerations for evaluating data center specs on my web
site http://www.donelan.com/design/general.html

There are very few things which justify the cost of a Level V
(Grade AAA) data center design.  A Level I computer room is satisfactory
for many ordinary business purposes.  Heck, most computers used in
business wouldn't meet the Orange Book "C" rating for security, why
put a "C" rated system in an "A" rated data center.  Better concrete
won't improve the software.

Hire a licensed architect and professional engineering firm with
experience designing datacenters. Several vendors have data center white
papers, but usually the white paper consists of recommendations to buy a
particular vendor's equipment.



RE: Datacenter Spec's

2003-11-08 Thread Dan Lockwood

Try here too:

http://www.averillpark.net/datacenter/

Dan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ron Malenfant (rmalenfa)
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'Fisher, Shawn'; 'Nanog List (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: Datacenter Spec's



Hi Shawn, take a look at a few docs here - 

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/neso/wnso/power/gdmdd_wp.pdf 
http://whitepapers.comdex.com/data/rlist?o=979246117_954
http://www.apcc.com/go/promo/expo/form4.cfm?tsk=m684y&thepromo=powering_
whitepaper
ron

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Fisher, Shawn
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:24 PM
To: Nanog List (E-mail)
Subject: Datacenter Spec's



Can anyone point me to a good resource for datacenter spec's or best
practices?

Looking for specs related to:

Powering

Racking

Cablemanagement

Grounding

Raised Floors

etc.

TIA





RE: Datacenter Spec's

2003-11-08 Thread Ron Malenfant (rmalenfa)


Hi Shawn, take a look at a few docs here - 

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/neso/wnso/power/gdmdd_wp.pdf 
http://whitepapers.comdex.com/data/rlist?o=979246117_954
http://www.apcc.com/go/promo/expo/form4.cfm?tsk=m684y&thepromo=powering_
whitepaper
ron

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Fisher, Shawn
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:24 PM
To: Nanog List (E-mail)
Subject: Datacenter Spec's



Can anyone point me to a good resource for datacenter spec's or best
practices?

Looking for specs related to:

Powering

Racking

Cablemanagement

Grounding

Raised Floors

etc.

TIA



Re: Openwave Opinions

2003-11-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.


> Anyone have any openwave mail MX opinions or experience good or bad?

Every mail product that costs lots of money will yield a worse overall
solution that using a good free/open-source mail software (postfix, qmail,
exim... pick one) and spending money on people with good technical skills to
tune and adapt the system. Unless, of course, your financial resources are
unlimited...

> Design question:  Is it better to have integrated or seperate Anti-spam
and
> Anti-virus built into the mail platform?

There are some design mistakes (such as trying to do these time-consuming
process synchronously) that both integrated and isolated anti-spam/virus
solutions have shown... the interesting thing with separate solutions is
that you can see the architeture from the configuration instructions, so
someone can quickly tell if that solution will scale or not. Using
monolithic or separate solutions will have some strategic consequences, but
design issues can arise in both.


Rubens



Re[2]: This may be stupid but..

2003-11-08 Thread Richard Welty

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:33:52 -0700 "John Brown (CV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and if you do a good contract with the recruiter, if the
> person you hire is sacked, they find you a new one at no cost :)

i'd also suggest using an independent recruiter, and check
references.

the big firms that do recruiting often take a cut that is all out of
proportion to the amount of work they actually do. an independent
will often be more reasonable.

richard
-- 
Richard Welty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592
Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security



Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by Belkin

2003-11-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.


May be they simply flag your router to not redirect to any web site, but the
router still goes every x hours to their site to verify the current redirect
status of your product. This wouldn't require admin privileges on your box
to be done... but could make every router with such firmware DoS'able; just
blackhole the Belkin site and every such request would need to timeout
before the router resumes normal behaviour.


Rubens


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by
Belkin


>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> an.net writes:
> >
> >Would be interesting to see if their current advertisement (every 8
hours)
> >page would now be replaced with "We're so sorry that you're seeing this
> >page, please make sure to download our latest patch so your router never
> >bother you again and would keep us out of legal trouble" message...
>
> The Belkin posting reproduced on Slashdot indicates that when you
> unsubscribe via their Web page, it modifies the configuration of your
> router.  Say, what?  There are ways in which an external Web server can
> change things on my box?  How is that secured?  I can think of lots of
> bad answers to that question, and not very many good ones.
>
> --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
>
>
>



Re: This may be stupid but..

2003-11-08 Thread John Brown (CV)

so negotiate with the recruiter.

benifits of a recuriter are:

* they take the twit calls
* they read thru the resumes and sort the junk out
* they do the screening
* they do the reference and background checks
* they have more resources to find people than you do

this saves you time and money on your end.  time better
spent building customer base, solving customer problems, etc.

and if you do a good contract with the recruiter, if the
person you hire is sacked, they find you a new one at no cost :)


On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:16:46PM -0500, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
> 
> If this question is inappropriate for this list I apoligize in advance.
> 
> I have several open engineering positions that I am trying to fill without
> the use of a recruiter.  My thoughts on using a recruiter is they end up
> extracting a fee from the employer that would be better put to the future
> employee.  
> 
> My question, what is the most effective way to recruit quality engineers?
> Does anyone have experience or opinions to share?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Shawn


Openwave Opinions

2003-11-08 Thread Fisher, Shawn

Anyone have any openwave mail MX opinions or experience good or bad?

Design question:  Is it better to have integrated or seperate Anti-spam and
Anti-virus built into the mail platform?

Thanks,

Shawn


Datacenter Spec's

2003-11-08 Thread Fisher, Shawn

Can anyone point me to a good resource for datacenter spec's or best
practices?

Looking for specs related to:

Powering

Racking

Cablemanagement

Grounding

Raised Floors

etc.

TIA


This may be stupid but..

2003-11-08 Thread Fisher, Shawn

If this question is inappropriate for this list I apoligize in advance.

I have several open engineering positions that I am trying to fill without
the use of a recruiter.  My thoughts on using a recruiter is they end up
extracting a fee from the employer that would be better put to the future
employee.  

My question, what is the most effective way to recruit quality engineers?
Does anyone have experience or opinions to share?

TIA,

Shawn


Re: hinet.net contact

2003-11-08 Thread John Obi


--- Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> John Obi writes on 10/30/2003 12:22 PM:
> 
> > Hello folks,
> > 
> > I can tell you that hinet.net hosts being
> exploited by
> > script kiddies and no one in hinet.net cares.
> > 
> > And I really failed to get a contact of their
> abuse
> > department, or any live person bothers to reply.
> 
> You might want to contact the TW-CERT people  at 
> http://www.cert.org.tw/eng/index.htm
> 
> -- 

Folks, 
I tried that with no luck, I also tried other listed
conacts in the whois list with no luck.
I found that AT&T , UUNet, and Sprint are the NSPs of
this ISP.

Can anyone from these ISPs get hinet.net to deal with
the abuse emails?

Please contact me off list if you can help.

Thanks,

-J


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Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement byBelkin

2003-11-08 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.

Dave Stewart wrote:
> 
> At 11:42 PM 11/7/2003, Kee Hinckley wrote:
> 
> >It appears that they've learned their lesson.  This is tacked at the
> >bottom of the front page at Belkin.
> >
> >>Important message from Belkin:
> >>We at Belkin apologize for the recent trouble our customers have
> >>experienced with the wireless router/browser redirect issue.  We will be
> >>offering firmware fixes available for download early next week. We do not
> >>have exact details yet but we can tell you now that each router's
> >>firmware that incorporates Parental Control as an option will be changed.
> >>
> >>Please expect more detailed information to follow early next week.  Thank
> >>you.
> 
> Imagine that... they listened to the community.
> 
> Should they actually follow up on this and remove this abomination from
> their firmware, I'd suggest they should earn back some respect.

I'll look to see if they are making something I'd be willing to buy
(buggy whips, perhaps?) in 200 years.

The time to be cautious about your reputation is before you do some-
thing criminally stupid.


Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by Belkin

2003-11-08 Thread Steven M. Bellovin

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
an.net writes:
>
>Would be interesting to see if their current advertisement (every 8 hours) 
>page would now be replaced with "We're so sorry that you're seeing this 
>page, please make sure to download our latest patch so your router never 
>bother you again and would keep us out of legal trouble" message...

The Belkin posting reproduced on Slashdot indicates that when you 
unsubscribe via their Web page, it modifies the configuration of your 
router.  Say, what?  There are ways in which an external Web server can 
change things on my box?  How is that secured?  I can think of lots of 
bad answers to that question, and not very many good ones.

--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb




Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by Belkin

2003-11-08 Thread william


On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Bradley Dunn wrote:

> Peter Galbavy wrote:
> > I hope that the US - the largest single market for technology products I
> > assume - has a similar bunch of useful [consumer] law.
> 
> I don't. Who needs a bunch of laws (and accompanying bureaucrats and 
> lawyers) when market pressure dealt with the issue quickly and forcefully.
No doubt. But still it should have been clear to them this is not allowed 
in the first place... And besides that haven't we just seen how "market 
pressure" works in case of Verisign where there were getting millions of 
dollars of extra income and did not care what others say!

Btw - here is Belkin's apology posted on usenet:

"From: Eric Deming ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Subject: Re: [OT-evil marketing] Belkin does Verislime one better - router spam! 
 Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
 Date: 2003-11-07 20:00:08 PST 

 All,

 We at Belkin apologize for the recent trouble our customers have
 experienced with the wireless router/browser redirect issue.  We
 unintentionally overlooked the effect this feature would have.  We
 never intended to compromise the trust of our customers, and we never
 intend to do so in the future.

 We are taking responsibility for this, and we will be offering
 firmware fixes early next week. We do not have exact details yet as we
 are still working on them, and will continue to work on them over the
 weekend. What we can tell you now is that each Router's firmware that
 incorporates Parental Control as an option will be changed.

 I'll keep posting as things develop. Stay tuned..."

I have to note that first email post by the same person from Belkin has 
been removed from google (the post where he revealed why the did it in 
the first place). This was surprising as it would seem belkin did not 
know usenet is not google-only service so if it appeared at google groups, 
many many others would have had copy locally at thousands of places. And 
for those who did not, somebody made sure an extra copy was available on 
the web at:
 
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=85076&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=153&mode=thread&cid=7419497

I'm not sure if its the hundreds of people saying they will never buy from 
belkin again or if its the actual legal problems (what they did probably 
broke laws and if it did not it would make them liable in certain cases 
of redirection happen at very inconvient moment) that forced belkin to react
so quickly, but I'm happy they are doing it and taking responsibilityh and 
hopefully this will establish good precident in case somebody else was 
considering something similar (i.e. don't you dare imitate verisign!)

Would be interesting to see if their current advertisement (every 8 hours) 
page would now be replaced with "We're so sorry that you're seeing this 
page, please make sure to download our latest patch so your router never 
bother you again and would keep us out of legal trouble" message...

-- 
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by Belkin

2003-11-08 Thread Bradley Dunn
Peter Galbavy wrote:
I hope that the US - the largest single market for technology products I
assume - has a similar bunch of useful [consumer] law.
I don't. Who needs a bunch of laws (and accompanying bureaucrats and 
lawyers) when market pressure dealt with the issue quickly and forcefully.

Bradley



Re: Web hijacking by router - a new method of advertisement by Belkin

2003-11-08 Thread Peter Galbavy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How original of them! But for other router manufactures present on
> this
> list, make notice - DO NOT DO IT IN YOUR OWN PRODUCT EVER. I (and from
> newsgrousp there are appears to be many others with same opinion
> about it)
> do not want routers modifying my network packets without my knowledge
> about it and definetly not for marketing of your own products.


Note, I am no legal professional here, but to looking forward to others
being stupid; In the UK I am reasonable certain that this breaks a number of
separate laws that no amount of "EULA" type small print can get around. For
those interested, I suggest looking at the protection offered (assuming this
product is sold to consumers in the first instance) the various "Sale of
Goods" acts, UK and EU "unfair terms in [consumer] contracts" ("but the
small print says..."), "computer misuse act" (modification of data without
permission), data protection (leaked URLs) and I am sure many more.

Now if only we had government departments that actually cared and helped
lean on these types of idiot.

I hope that the US - the largest single market for technology products I
assume - has a similar bunch of useful [consumer] law.

Peter