The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Dec 19 21:47:30 2003 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
12-12-03128773 90505
13-12-03129001 90420
14-12-03128764 90423
15-12-03128830 90530
16-12-03128882 90557
17-12-03128998 89968
18-12-03128463 90378
19-12-03128899 90357
AS Summary
16277 Number of ASes in routing system
6489 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
1397 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc.
73533696 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 19Dec03 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 128821903603846129.9% All ASes
AS4134 730 123 60783.2% CHINANET-BACKBONE
No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS6197 820 294 52664.1% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network
Solutions, Inc
AS4323 677 205 47269.7% TW-COMM Time Warner
Communications, Inc.
AS701 1397 963 43431.1% ALTERNET-AS UUNET
Technologies, Inc.
AS7018 1392 960 43231.0% ATT-INTERNET4 ATT WorldNet
Services
AS7843 505 118 38776.6% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp.
AS6198 567 228 33959.8% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network
Solutions, Inc
AS22909 320 13 30795.9% DNEO-OSP1 Comcast Cable
Communications, Inc.
AS27364 381 79 30279.3% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable
Services
AS1239 953 663 29030.4% SPRINTLINK Sprint
AS22773 323 33 29089.8% CCINET-2 Cox Communications
Inc. Atlanta
AS4355 380 99 28173.9% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC
AS1221 928 663 26528.6% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd
AS17676 289 41 24885.8% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp.
AS6347 329 85 24474.2% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications
Corporation
AS25844 243 16 22793.4% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate,
Meagher Flom LLP
AS209734 517 21729.6% ASN-QWEST Qwest
AS6140 348 137 21160.6% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat
AS9583 262 56 20678.6% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway
Ltd.,
AS14654 2063 20398.5% WAYPORT Wayport
AS11305 231 38 19383.5% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland
Incorporated
AS4519 194 13 18193.3% MAAS Maas Communications
AS6327 204 28 17686.3% SHAW Shaw Communications Inc.
AS9929 201 27 17486.6% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp.
AS6478 207 37 17082.1% ATT-INTERNET3 ATT WorldNet
Services
AS2386 402 234 16841.8% INS-AS ATT Data
Communications Services
AS20115 580 412 16829.0% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC Charter
Communications
AS2048 246 81 16567.1% LANET-1 State of Louisiana
AS15270 204 41 16379.9% AS-PAETEC-NET PaeTec.net -a
division of
PaeTecCommunications, Inc.
AS9800 209 56 15373.2% UNICOM CHINA UNICOM
Total 14462 6263 819956.7% Top 30 total
Possible Bogus Routes
24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 ANDARA-HSI Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax
Cable Ltd.
61.12.32.0/24AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd
61.12.34.0/24AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd
64.62.64.0/24
Bandwidth Control Question
Title: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Tom, If you are using Cisco's on both ends, you can easily do: interface SerialX/0 bandwidth 6144 ip address IP Address 255.255.255.252 no ip redirects no ip directed-broadcast no ip proxy-arp load-interval 30 dsu bandwidth 6144 no dsu remote accept scramble cablelength 450 no cdp enable ! This configuration is specific to Cisco, but if you have a device that is not Cisco on the other end, just look at the dsu mode options. Btw, this configuration will allow you to do traffic-shaping, or rate-limiting for other things without making it overly complicated. thanks, charles On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 09:25:44AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Title: Bandwidth Control Question Why not simply use configuration option Cisco gives you to set your DS3 to 6 meg dsu bandwidth X Dan, your suggestion will unncessarily tax his equipment. Bryan - Original Message - From: Dan Ellis To: Claydon, Tom ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Tom, My suggestion is to enable the full DS3 and have each router traffic-shape to 6M on the neighboring interfaces. Rate-limit on the input of your router to disallow the customer from sending you more than the limit. Remember that for the most part rate-limiting polices, where traffic shaping performs more buffering and shaping. Thats why you should use the combo of a shape on the sender side and a police on your side to protect. --Dan -- Daniel Ellis,CTO, PenTeleData (610)826-9293 "The only way to predict the future is to invent it." --Alan Kay -Original Message-From: Claydon, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:26 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Bryan Heitman Why not simply use configuration option Cisco gives you to set your DS3 to 6 meg dsu bandwidth X That's what I do, works fine. Dan, your suggestion will unncessarily tax his equipment. Not only that, but the rate-limiting on the input interface will likely force the customer to do some QOS at their end too; the discrepancy between what the customer's router thinks the bandwidth is and what it really is will cause packet loss. I like the solution of the sending interface to queue the egress traffic at whatever speed is available better. Michel.
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Thanks. I not very familiar with the integrated DSU T3/E3 command set - still used to the good ol HSSI ports. I'll agree, this sounds like a better solution if you are using one of the integrated cards. Yes - you are correct, in my solution both sides should always use a traffic-shape or other shaping QoS command. The rate limit is a final police in case the customer does try to send more than you would like them to. Again, agreed, obviously if you can control the port speed (above - DSU bandwidth), that's a better solution. -- Daniel Ellis, CTO, PenTeleData (610)826-9293 The only way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay -Original Message- From: Michel Py [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:58 AM To: Bryan Heitman; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Bryan Heitman Why not simply use configuration option Cisco gives you to set your DS3 to 6 meg dsu bandwidth X That's what I do, works fine. Dan, your suggestion will unncessarily tax his equipment. Not only that, but the rate-limiting on the input interface will likely force the customer to do some QOS at their end too; the discrepancy between what the customer's router thinks the bandwidth is and what it really is will cause packet loss. I like the solution of the sending interface to queue the egress traffic at whatever speed is available better. Michel.
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Title: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Title: Bandwidth Control Question Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Claydon, TomSent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:26 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:24:36AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). This is for point-to-point DS3, right? I don't think you want -MC- anything, you'd want e.g. PA-2T3+ . (I don't remember the original message though.) mm
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Hi Mark, Yes, it's a point-to-point link. = TC -Original Message- From: Mark E. Mallett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:36 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:24:36AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). This is for point-to-point DS3, right? I don't think you want -MC- anything, you'd want e.g. PA-2T3+ . (I don't remember the original message though.) mm
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Roy wrote: Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. I'd be cautious about metal between buildings, but Ethernet on fiber might make sense.
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 11:35:34AM -0500, Mark E. Mallett wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:24:36AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). This is for point-to-point DS3, right? I don't think you want -MC- anything, you'd want e.g. PA-2T3+ . (I don't remember the original message though.) The PA-MC-2T3+ will do both channelized and unchannelized DS3 with the same PA. This makes it easier on some of us who need both and for doing sparing of hardware. It's worthwhile to spend the extra cash if you think you're going to need to do both clear channel and channelized in the same box.. when it comes time to deal with hardware failure, etc.. it'll easily pay for itself. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from [EMAIL PROTECTED] clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Title: Message Or wireless. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RoySent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:30 AMTo: Claydon, Tom; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Claydon, TomSent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:26 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:36:08AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Hi Mark, Yes, it's a point-to-point link. Somebody else mentioned ethernet; I know (without specific recommendation though) that you can run fiber and use some inexpensive media converters on each end to produce something that looks like ethernet, without worrying about stringing wire between separate electrical systems. Ethernet ports are cheaper than T3 ports too, but then you'd still have to deal with shaping/limiting. mm
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Roy wrote: Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. I'd be cautious about metal between buildings, but Ethernet on fiber might make sense. WhatHeSaid. You do NOT want to smoke an expensive box or two. Fiber is your friend. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Incase you didn't notice, the original poster works for a Telephone Company. Such things as short distance x-connects, DS3, and other services will make the most sense as they likely have the necessary hardware and equipment to test and repair these types of cabling whereas, wireless and other cable based solutions they will not necessarily have the ability to repair at a low cost. This is not to say that I don't think that telephone companies shouldn't be looking at more fiber based CPE solutions, I suspect that this isn't something that Tom can influence. - Jared On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:49:11AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or wireless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:30 AM To: Claydon, Tom; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claydon, Tom Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341 -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from [EMAIL PROTECTED] clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 11:45:08AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 11:35:34AM -0500, Mark E. Mallett wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 10:24:36AM -0600, Claydon, Tom wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). This is for point-to-point DS3, right? I don't think you want -MC- anything, you'd want e.g. PA-2T3+ . (I don't remember the original message though.) The PA-MC-2T3+ will do both channelized and unchannelized DS3 with the same PA. I stand corrected, thanks. I had thought the -MC- adaptors were channelized only. Is that something with with the '+' or have I just always been wrong? :-) mm
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Once upon a time, Jared Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The PA-MC-2T3+ will do both channelized and unchannelized DS3 with the same PA. This makes it easier on some of us who need both and for doing sparing of hardware. It's worthwhile to spend the extra cash if you think you're going to need to do both clear channel and channelized in the same box.. when it comes time to deal with hardware failure, etc.. it'll easily pay for itself. The quite annoying thing about that is switching a PC-MC-2T3+ interface from channelized (the default) to unchannelized causes a cbus complex restart, which interrupts traffic through the router for a period of time (the time varies based on the number of interfaces in the router). Of course, since OIR sometimes can cause a router reload anyway, maybe that's not such a problem. :-) -- Chris Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Title: Message Wireless is fine too. I use Airaya (http://www.airaya.com). You can get a pair of radios capable of 35mbps for $999. I have them working over 6 miles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Or wireless. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RoySent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:30 AMTo: Claydon, Tom; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Claydon, TomSent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:26 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters? Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me... = TC -Original Message- From: David Lesher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Roy wrote: Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. I'd be cautious about metal between buildings, but Ethernet on fiber might make sense. WhatHeSaid. You do NOT want to smoke an expensive box or two. Fiber is your friend. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
The quite annoying thing about that is switching a PC-MC-2T3+ interface from channelized (the default) to unchannelized causes a cbus complex restart, which interrupts traffic through the router for a period of time (the time varies based on the number of interfaces in the router). Even with service single-slot-reload-enable? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Thus spake Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters? PA-POS-OC3MM$6000/card$38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX$3200/card$32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX$5000/card$25.00/Mbit Why muck with SONET unless necessary? Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me... Yes. ! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer ! S Stephen Sprunk God does not play dice. --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSSdice at every possible opportunity. --Stephen Hawking
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
PA-2FE-FX$5000/card$25.00/Mbit $2,000 on ebay randy
Increased activity on UDP/1434?
Title: Message Is anyone seeing increased activity on UDP/1434? We are seeing boxes which have been patched for SQL slammer spewing lots of traffic to randomized destination addresses for about 2 hours. Intense googling has revealed nothing new since SQL slammer. Any information would be appreciated. :) Thanks,Tim
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? No one send you a box of rocks? What about Cisco SPAR for TAC support? -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:24 PM To: Stephen Sprunk Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question PA-2FE-FX$5000/card$25.00/Mbit $2,000 on ebay randy
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? No one send you a box of rocks? I've had 100% success buying on eBay. The Cisco TAC issue has never come up; they NEVER ask me where I got something. Of course, the only hardware that has ever failed on us has been exactly one Catalyst 2924 switch, which they advance replace anyway, and one NM-16AM modem card, for which they offered to give us the 4 hour replacement, even though it wasn't in any of the routers we have that contract on. -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 http://www.greatbasin.net
Ebay experience
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Fisher, Shawn wrote: Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? No one send you a box of rocks? buying, selling you name it. Hardware on Ebay is usually less than anywhere else. WRT failures you can normally afford 2 or more from Ebay for the price difference of (buying elsewhere + support contract). For business use beware hardware that has self-destruct worded licenses for software like IOS or netapp DoT on it. Just picked up a CSU/DSU for $1 that I will be using in a home test lab. (The guy was selling 5 for $1 each...I had to resist the urge to buy all 5) Gerald
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Fisher, Shawn Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? No one send you a box of rocks? That's the question the UPS driver once asked when delivering a 7507; the box did contain a router though and no rocks. What about Cisco SPAR for TAC support? For some, it has come to a point where storing spares on-site is cheaper. I just bought a VIP2-40 for 50 bucks for example. Seen some GSRs for as low as $5k. This is hurting Cisco and I heard some talking about suppressing software-only support but so far so good. Michel.
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Sprunk Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:13 AM To: Claydon, Tom Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question Thus spake Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. There's plenty of fiber between the two buildings, so we may go that route. Anyone know if there's any easy way to limit bandwidth on the PA-POS-OC3 adapters? PA-POS-OC3MM$6000/card$38.71/Mbit PA-FE-FX$3200/card$32.00/Mbit PA-2FE-FX$5000/card$25.00/Mbit Why muck with SONET unless necessary? Sounds like another job for rate limiting to me... Yes. ! policy-map 6Mb-customer class class-default police 6144 ! interface foo service-policy input 6Mb-customer service-policy output 6Mb-customer ! S Stephen Sprunk God does not play dice. --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSSdice at every possible opportunity. --Stephen Hawking
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Interestingly enough, sometimes it's cheaper to buy a small unmanaged switch with a fiber uplink port than to buy a media converter... -Original Message- Media converters are much cheaper than specialized FX cards like these. A 10Mbps converters are just $99 each and 100Mbps is $150. 12/19/2003 - 2:15:49 PM -- this message has been intercepted __ This message was scanned by GatewayDefender 12/19/2003 - 2:19:13 PM
RE: Bandwidth Control Question
Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? yep. use rating system No one send you a box of rocks? nope What about Cisco SPAR for TAC support? new cisco parts randy
Re: Bandwidth Control Question
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Randy Bush wrote: PA-2FE-FX$5000/card$25.00/Mbit $2,000 on ebay And for the 7500s, you can get POSIP full cards for $250-$1000 depending on fiber type, also from ebay. -- Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]| I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Low end router alternative?
I'm experimenting at home with hardware. I'm playing with low end T1 equipment at the moment. What is a low-cost router solution to hook to a CSU/DSU? (where I don't have to pay a ridiculous $800+ IOS relicensing fee preferably.) With Cisco 2500's going on Ebay for $10-$30, I'd like to find something in the $50 price range that will do basic routing and has an RJ45 connector plus some serial way for me to hook the CSU/DSU in to it. Bonus abilities would be built in DHCP, NAT, 1-1 NAT mapping, port mapping, and basic firewalling. Maybe I'm looking at this too hard. Is there a cheap Smart-Jack to Ethernet conversion system out there I'm missing for small businesses? I know the hardware has been around for a while and the software I'm looking for is not complicated. Maybe someone knows of a different OS that'll go on the cheap cisco routers like: http://www.mcvax.org/~koen/uClinux-cisco2500/images/ ...only with a heartbeat. (That's not going to stop me from downloading it and trying it though.) Thanks for any suggestions on or off list. Gerald
RE: Low end router alternative?
Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. Cheap, Reasonably reliable, no external CSU-DSU required. Personally, I won't run Nat on them. It's been my experience that 9 out of 10 will work fine with Nat, but 1 will have odd problems and require reboots. -Ejay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerald Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Low end router alternative? I'm experimenting at home with hardware. I'm playing with low end T1 equipment at the moment. What is a low-cost router solution to hook to a CSU/DSU? (where I don't have to pay a ridiculous $800+ IOS relicensing fee preferably.) With Cisco 2500's going on Ebay for $10-$30, I'd like to find something in the $50 price range that will do basic routing and has an RJ45 connector plus some serial way for me to hook the CSU/DSU in to it. Bonus abilities would be built in DHCP, NAT, 1-1 NAT mapping, port mapping, and basic firewalling. Maybe I'm looking at this too hard. Is there a cheap Smart-Jack to Ethernet conversion system out there I'm missing for small businesses? I know the hardware has been around for a while and the software I'm looking for is not complicated. Maybe someone knows of a different OS that'll go on the cheap cisco routers like: http://www.mcvax.org/~koen/uClinux-cisco2500/images/ ...only with a heartbeat. (That's not going to stop me from downloading it and trying it though.) Thanks for any suggestions on or off list. Gerald
RE: Low end router alternative?
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. Well 2 minutes on Froogle tell me your definition of cheap and mine don't match. For the same price range I would get a netopia R4522 or 5300 which will reliably do NAT and all. With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking for just about any router ($50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 port. For what I'm looking for at the moment (experimenting) used/refurbished doesn't matter so long as it works. Gerald
RE: Low end router alternative?
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Gerald wrote: With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking for just about any router ($50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 You ever hit send and then wish you could chase after that E-mail with a s/HSSI/v.35/ ? I was wrongly using the term. HSSI apparently cisco claimed. I was just looking for a router with a serial interface that will handle 1.5 Mb traffic which I've been told fits v.35. Gerald
RE: Low end router alternative?
Technically speaking, the port is definitely not a HSSI port. HSSI is ~ 52mbps and used for DS-3 and E3. You're probably looking for a v.35 interface, EIA-422/485, or similar interface to match your CSU. Dave -Original Message- From: Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:18 PM To: Ejay Hire Cc: 'Gerald'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Low end router alternative? On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. Well 2 minutes on Froogle tell me your definition of cheap and mine don't match. For the same price range I would get a netopia R4522 or 5300 which will reliably do NAT and all. With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking for just about any router ($50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 port. For what I'm looking for at the moment (experimenting) used/refurbished doesn't matter so long as it works. Gerald
[OT] Level3, 111 8th
Hello, Given that our L3 rep is useless for this information, perhaps another customer of L3 @ 1118th (3rd floor) can help me out. We are ordering our first cross-connect to the meet-me room since I've arrived, and I'm wondering how to specify the location to the vendors. We're dropping a POTS line and a few T1s. Most of the forms I've seen want a suite number, etc. If anyone can supply that info, I'd be most grateful. Bonus points for any extra tips about making things go smoothly in this datacenter. I've heard nasty stories about telcos leaving the demarc in the basement or somewhere else outside the meet-me room... Thanks, Charles -- Charles Sprickman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Low end router alternative?
At 05:18 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. Well 2 minutes on Froogle tell me your definition of cheap and mine don't match. For the same price range I would get a netopia R4522 or 5300 which will reliably do NAT and all. With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking for just about any router ($50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 port. For what I'm looking for at the moment (experimenting) used/refurbished doesn't matter so long as it works. Then you probably want a Netopia PN660. v.35 serial port, NAT, RJ45 Ethernet, etc. They can't be upgraded with a Netopia OS later than 2 years ago due to flash and RAM limitations so they have limited VPN capability, but they work great for what they are. You can get them for $25 on eBay. This one is currently $9.99. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3066361701category=3706 DO NOT buy a PN630/640 or any other model except the PN660 since that is the only one which will work for your specs. I would have given you one, but I threw them away a few months ago. -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Good will, like a good name, is got by many actions, and lost by one. - Francis Jeffrey
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Anyone from AS 577 (BellNexxia) around ?
I asked through regular channels, but no one knew the answer. You used to have a looking glass at http://looking-glass.in.bellnexxia.net:8080/ but its been offline for a while. Did it move ? Is it gone for good ? ---Mike Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing Internet since 1994www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike
Re: Anyone from AS 577 (BellNexxia) around ?
the mirror may be gone because, according to Francois menard, bell nexxia was disbanded by bell canada in april or may 2003 and absorbed back into bell canada's operations I asked through regular channels, but no one knew the answer. You used to have a looking glass at http://looking-glass.in.bellnexxia.net:8080/ but its been offline for a while. Did it move ? Is it gone for good ? ---Mike Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing Internet since 1994www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike -- = The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 609 882-2572 (PSTN) 703 738-6031 (Vonage) Subscription info prices at http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml Googin on real time global corp. http://cookreport.com/12.11.shtml Purchase 10 years of back issues at http://www.cafeshops.com/cookreportinter.6936314 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free World Dial up 17318 =
Re: Anyone from AS 577 (BellNexxia) around ?
Having dealt with them for some time, the public interfaces to the Bell object have not really changed one way or another. This is from my perspective as a consumer of Bell wholesale services... The same main help desks are there-- AOC, INOC, DSSC. Despite the host name being bell nexxia it is/was for AS577 which is Bell Canada proper. ---Mike At 10:42 PM 19/12/2003, Gordon Cook wrote: the mirror may be gone because, according to Francois menard, bell nexxia was disbanded by bell canada in april or may 2003 and absorbed back into bell canada's operations I asked through regular channels, but no one knew the answer. You used to have a looking glass at http://looking-glass.in.bellnexxia.net:8080/ but its been offline for a while. Did it move ? Is it gone for good ? ---Mike Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing Internet since 1994www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike -- = The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 609 882-2572 (PSTN) 703 738-6031 (Vonage) Subscription info prices at http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml Googin on real time global corp. http://cookreport.com/12.11.shtml Purchase 10 years of back issues at http://www.cafeshops.com/cookreportinter.6936314 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free World Dial up 17318 =
