It's only a flesh wound (was Re: OT: Anyone here know what's up with inet-access.net)

2005-10-11 Thread JC Dill


Gerry Boudreaux emailed Avi and me about this on 9/30:

 The server that has been hosting inet-access took a nose dive
 yesterday.

 Hopefully we can have it rebuilt by tomorrow.

Apparently rebuilding the server is taking a bit longer than 
anticipated.  Well, maybe it's a pretty big flesh wound, but it's not 
dead yet!


jc


Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record

2005-10-11 Thread Peter Dambier


The A record for '.' is gone.

I am told it was a typo. I guess nameservers for at least one domain
where involved too. That is the reason why I had problems.

Kind regards,
Peter and Karin


Peter Dambier wrote:


See with your own eyes:

;  DiG 9.1.3  -t any . @a.public-root.net
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;.  IN  ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
.   172800  IN  SOA a.public-root.net. 
hostmaster.public-root.net.\
2005101006 43200 3600 
1209600 14400

.   172800  IN  A   57.67.193.188
.   172800  IN  NS  k.public-root.net.
.   ...
.   172800  IN  NS  j.public-root.net.

;; Query time: 81 msec
;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net)
;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005


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Folks - got some bad news.  The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup
thats right - an A record.  Which see below.  Have tried to contact Paul
Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to
criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake.  Noone is at home at
the inn.  Not good.  See appened message to Peter Dambier and our
public-root associates.

I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it.  Should be
interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been
broken.

regards
joe

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory


Report this to NANOG and the IETF.  Make sure you send them a copy of my
response and the headers of this message.  I am holding UNIDT personally
responsible for this technical nightmare.

regards
joe

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:


Kewl, '.' has got an A record :)

;  DiG 9.1.3  @a.public-root.net . axfr
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.   172800  IN  SOA a.public-root.net. 
hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400

.   172800  IN  A   57.67.193.188
.   172800  IN  NS  a.public-root.net.



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Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record

2005-10-11 Thread Andre Oppermann


Peter,

nobody here cares even the slightest bit for your public-root problems.

Please stop spamming NANOG lists NOW!

--
Andre


Peter Dambier wrote:


The A record for '.' is gone.

I am told it was a typo. I guess nameservers for at least one domain
where involved too. That is the reason why I had problems.

Kind regards,
Peter and Karin


Peter Dambier wrote:



See with your own eyes:

;  DiG 9.1.3  -t any . @a.public-root.net
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;.  IN  ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
.   172800  IN  SOA a.public-root.net. 
hostmaster.public-root.net.\
2005101006 43200 3600 
1209600 14400

.   172800  IN  A   57.67.193.188
.   172800  IN  NS  k.public-root.net.
.   ...
.   172800  IN  NS  j.public-root.net.

;; Query time: 81 msec
;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net)
;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005


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Folks - got some bad news.  The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup
thats right - an A record.  Which see below.  Have tried to contact Paul
Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very 
close to
criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake.  Noone is at 
home at

the inn.  Not good.  See appened message to Peter Dambier and our
public-root associates.

I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it.  Should be
interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been
broken.

regards
joe

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory


Report this to NANOG and the IETF.  Make sure you send them a copy of my
response and the headers of this message.  I am holding UNIDT personally
responsible for this technical nightmare.

regards
joe

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:


Kewl, '.' has got an A record :)

;  DiG 9.1.3  @a.public-root.net . axfr
;; global options:  printcmd
.   172800  IN  SOA a.public-root.net. 
hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400

.   172800  IN  A   57.67.193.188
.   172800  IN  NS  a.public-root.net.




Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the
United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593

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Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record

2005-10-11 Thread Michael . Dillon

 nobody here cares even the slightest bit for your public-root 
problems.
 Please stop spamming NANOG lists NOW!

Seems to me that such appeals might be a bit more
effective if you sent it privately to the list
administrators via the address published here:
http://www.nanog.org/listadmins.html

--Michael Dillon



Problems

2005-10-11 Thread Philip Lavine

I am having problems with people connecting from the
East Coast to my AS 17021 via qwest AS 209 on the West
Coast. How do I troubleshoot this?




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Requesting P.I. Space from ARIN - latest issues?

2005-10-11 Thread up


After taking IP space from upstreams for years, I am on the verge of
requesting PI space from ARIN, but after reviewing their guidelines, I
have a couple of questions:

1) I meet the Multihoming requirement, which means I can get a block as
small as a /22, which is about right for my needs.  Are there still any
concerns about networks (as Verio and Sprint have done in the past)
filtering out longer prefixes, and if so, does it depend on whether it;s
former class A, B, C or swamp space?  I know when I got my current block
from my upstream, I had to make sure I got swamp space, because the former
class B block they initially allocated to me wouldn't have made it past
Verio's filters at that time.

2) I currently have a /21 from an upstream, for which I met the
requirements for when I got it, but since outsourcing the dialup, I am
probably well below ARIN's guidelines for efficient utilization at this
time.  Would this cause a problem in my application, even though I am
applying for a smaller block?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Problems

2005-10-11 Thread Sabri Berisha

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 07:37:15AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote:
 
 I am having problems with people connecting from the
 East Coast to my AS 17021 via qwest AS 209 on the West
 Coast. How do I troubleshoot this?

I would suggest to check up on a view route-servers, do some
traceroutes, etc.

telnet route-views.oregon-ix.net
telnet route-server.cerf.net

and do some bgp queries

(show ip bgp your address range)

-- 
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Re: Problems

2005-10-11 Thread Matthew Crocker



Philip,


 Go to a looking glass site and see what the 'internet' knows about  
your network.  You can look for your netblocks and see if their are  
in BGP tables of routers around the globe


http://www.bgp4.as/looking-glasses

-Matt

On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Philip Lavine wrote:



I am having problems with people connecting from the
East Coast to my AS 17021 via qwest AS 209 on the West
Coast. How do I troubleshoot this?




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Re: Requesting P.I. Space from ARIN - latest issues?

2005-10-11 Thread Justin M. Streiner


On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


1) I meet the Multihoming requirement, which means I can get a block as
small as a /22, which is about right for my needs.  Are there still any
concerns about networks (as Verio and Sprint have done in the past)
filtering out longer prefixes, and if so, does it depend on whether it;s
former class A, B, C or swamp space?  I know when I got my current block
from my upstream, I had to make sure I got swamp space, because the former
class B block they initially allocated to me wouldn't have made it past
Verio's filters at that time.


Most if not all of the /8s that get assigned to ARIN have a prescribed 
minimum allocation size.  How rigorously that is followed is another 
story :-)  I don't think you can specifically request that ARIN assign you 
space out of the swamp these days.


jms


Re: Problems

2005-10-11 Thread Richard A Steenbergen

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 07:37:15AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote:
 
 I am having problems with people connecting from the
 East Coast to my AS 17021 via qwest AS 209 on the West
 Coast. How do I troubleshoot this?

Big fiber cut in Radium Colorado at around 6:30 UTC, affecting lots of 
crosscountry transport via northern paths.

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Re: Requesting P.I. Space from ARIN - latest issues?

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Abley



On 11-Oct-2005, at 11:33, Justin M. Streiner wrote:


On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

1) I meet the Multihoming requirement, which means I can get a  
block as
small as a /22, which is about right for my needs.  Are there  
still any

concerns about networks (as Verio and Sprint have done in the past)
filtering out longer prefixes, and if so, does it depend on  
whether it;s
former class A, B, C or swamp space?  I know when I got my current  
block
from my upstream, I had to make sure I got swamp space, because  
the former
class B block they initially allocated to me wouldn't have made it  
past

Verio's filters at that time.


Most if not all of the /8s that get assigned to ARIN have a  
prescribed minimum allocation size.  How rigorously that is  
followed is another story :-)


I believe it is followed rigourously for new assignments, and that / 
22 assignments are made from a range of addresses whose minimum  
allocation size is /22 (or longer).


ISPs who filter based on prefix length according to RIR minimum  
allocation sizes should not block a route based on such an  
assignment, assuming their filters are up-to-date.


Whether or not any particular prefix is blocked is best determined  
experimentally (e.g. feed a box with two interface addresses from  
different ranges a list of hosts to ping at a polite, low frequency,  
and compare the results sourced from each address).


I have had dealings with many ISPs who have announced blocks based on  
fairly long-prefix assignments from RIRs, following policies such as  
ARIN's multi-homing assignment policy, and I haven't heard of any  
substantial problems due to the prefix length. James' MMV, of course.


I don't think you can specifically request that ARIN assign you  
space out of the swamp these days.


You can request anything you like. Whether it makes a difference is  
another thing entirely :-)



Joe



SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread Drew Weaver








 We need some fairly complex SNMP accounting
software (data center) style stuff that can monitor cisco equipment for bandwidth
utilization and generate reports based on 95th percentile and also
perhaps even their actual bandwidth usage (how many gigs of transfer they use
per month, day, week.. etc) Does anyone know of anything good that does
anything like this? It needs to be reliable? Can be open source, were
using MRTG to track utilization but we need something that really handles accounting
for us.



Thanks,

-Drew








RE: SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread McNamara, Colin








I would recommend using Cacti for
interface speed monitoring.

It is available at www.cacti.net



--Colin











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew
Weaver
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005
9:21 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: SNMP
Accounting Software






We need some fairly complex SNMP accounting software (data center) style stuff
that can monitor cisco equipment for bandwidth utilization and generate reports
based on 95th percentile and also perhaps even their actual
bandwidth usage (how many gigs of transfer they use per month, day, week.. etc)
Does anyone know of anything good that does anything like this? It needs to be
reliable? Can be open source, were using MRTG to track utilization but
we need something that really handles accounting for us.



Thanks,

-Drew








RE: SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread Chad Skidmore

 
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Check out RTG.  It has 95th percentile reporting and if you don't
like the included reporting format you are free to build your own. 
Data is retained in a SQL db so it is easy enough to report on.
 
http://rtg.sourceforge.net/
 
Regards,
chad



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Drew Weaver
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:21 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: SNMP Accounting Software



We need some fairly complex SNMP accounting software
(data center) style stuff that can monitor cisco equipment for
bandwidth utilization and generate reports based on 95th percentile
and also perhaps even their actual bandwidth usage (how many gigs of
transfer they use per month, day, week.. etc) Does anyone know of
anything good that does anything like this? It needs to be reliable?
Can be open source, we're using MRTG to track utilization but we need
something that really handles accounting for us.

 

Thanks,

- -Drew


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Re: SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread Alex Rubenstein




Most people who need this have written custom apps to do so -- myself 
included.


There is nothing off the shelf that I cound find that fits the true need.



On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Drew Weaver wrote:


   We need some fairly complex SNMP accounting software (data
center) style stuff that can monitor cisco equipment for bandwidth
utilization and generate reports based on 95th percentile and also
perhaps even their actual bandwidth usage (how many gigs of transfer
they use per month, day, week.. etc) Does anyone know of anything good
that does anything like this? It needs to be reliable? Can be open
source, we're using MRTG to track utilization but we need something that
really handles accounting for us.



Thanks,

-Drew




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Re: SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread Ross Hosman

http://www.nocwizard.com/

--- Drew Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We need some fairly complex SNMP
 accounting software (data
 center) style stuff that can monitor cisco equipment
 for bandwidth
 utilization and generate reports based on 95th
 percentile and also
 perhaps even their actual bandwidth usage (how many
 gigs of transfer
 they use per month, day, week.. etc) Does anyone
 know of anything good
 that does anything like this? It needs to be
 reliable? Can be open
 source, we're using MRTG to track utilization but we
 need something that
 really handles accounting for us.
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Drew
 
 







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Re: Problems

2005-10-11 Thread Richard A Steenbergen

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 04:38:14PM -0400, liz fazekas wrote:
 hey y'all:
  Good desktop staple:
  http://loadrunner.uits.iu.edu/weathermaps/abilene/abilene.html

Don't know if I would go that far, seeing as there is no useful content 
there. Honestly, the sooner that I2 folks realize that they are neither 
the center of the Internet, nor even a particularly large customer of just 
one commercial carrier, the better off they will be when they have to deal 
with the real world. :)

Interestingly, this is the only thing I could find on the subject:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/5083804/detail.html

I haven't found anyone other than Qwest and GX (who share a common build 
here) affected so far, but there hasn't really been much discussion on the 
subject. While this is certainly a decemt amount of impact, I don't think 
anyone with a decently built network is suffering unduely (this is why 
there are southern paths :P).

Last report I heard on the subject a couple of hours ago was that Qwest 
had not begun splicing but is standing by to do so as soon as the scene is 
cleared.

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NANOG Program Committee announcement

2005-10-11 Thread Steve Feldman

On behalf of the NANOG Steering Committee, we are pleased to announce
that the eight new members of the NANOG Program Committee are:

Dan Golding
Joel Jaeggli
Ren Provo
Jennifer Rexford
Josh Snowhorn
Pete Templin
Todd Underwood
Vish Yelsangikar

They will be joining the eight returning members from the current
Program Committee:

Joe Abley
Kevin Epperson
Steve Feldman
Hank Kilmer
Christopher Morrow
David O'Leary
Ted Seely
Bill Woodcock

With so many well-qualified new candidates and current PC members,
this was an extraordinarily difficult decision process, but in the
end we believe we have come up with a solid, diverse panel which
represents most of the NANOG constituency, and has the ability to
recruit and select talks from a wide pool.

The selection process is documented in detail at
http://www.nanog.org/pc.selection.05.html

Please join us in thanking everyone who participated as a candidate.
All of them are valuable members of the NANOG community, and we
look forward to their continuing contributions.

We would also like to thank the outgoing PC members:

Bill  Norton
Elise Gerich
Susan Hares
Craig Labovitz
Bill Manning
Dave Meyer
Stephen Stuart
Rob Thomas

for their hard work and invaluable contribution to the community.

For the Steering Committee,
Randy Bush, SC chair
Steve Feldman, PC chair


Another Program Committee change

2005-10-11 Thread Steve Feldman

As provided in the NANOG charter, Merit Network has one representative
on the Program Committee.  Susan Harris as been in that role since
the adoption of the charter, and has been an integral part of the
PC for a long time prior to that.

Susan is stepping down from her PC membership role, and Merit has
designated Bert Rossi as their new representative.

Susan will continue working with the PC in her administrative and
support role, including the tasks of collecting and organizing
submissions, communicating with speakers, and drafting the agenda,
calls for presentations, and other documents.  And perhaps most
important, she will continue keeping me and the rest of the PC
focused and on schedule.

She will also continue to be active in other ways with the NANOG
community, including acting as Merit's representative on the mailing
list committee.

Bert Rossi is a Senior Network Engineer with Michnet, the statewide
high-speed research and education network operated in Michigan by
Merit.

On behalf of the Program Committee I, would like to express heartfelt
thanks to Susan, and welcome to Bert.

Steve Feldman, PC chair


RE: SNMP Accounting Software

2005-10-11 Thread Chad Skidmore

It uses the 2nd (monthly) method you describe and gives you a 95th
percentile number for both inbound and outbound.  You can then use both
or one of them.  Also, as I mentioned, you can write your own reports
using anything that can query MySQL.  I've done Crystal Reports and some
C# .Net reporting off of RTG data with great success.

Chad
 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Mersberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:43 PM
To: Chad Skidmore
Cc: Drew Weaver; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: SNMP Accounting Software

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:53:48AM -0700, Chad Skidmore wrote:

Hi...

 Check out RTG.  It has 95th percentile reporting and if you don't like

 the included reporting format you are free to build your own.
 Data is retained in a SQL db so it is easy enough to report on.

from the documentation, this looks interesting. Does anybody know, which
95%ile is implemented? I know at least about 6  95%ile favors around. 
Does anybody know, which of them are mostly used?
the two variants, I have in mind are daily 95%ile ( drop the max 5%
samples per day for each  direction, average on the end of the month for
each direction and use the higher value then ) and a monthly 95%ile (
drop the max 5% samples over all samples over the month for both
directions, use the higher value then )

cheers
Martin


VPLS Experience

2005-10-11 Thread danazster

I keep hearing that VPLS is a Good Thing.

Indeed for certain design models it seems to offer some real
advantages. There doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of
stability concern that we saw when MPLS first came out - there was a
really strong negative about MPLS in 1999 at nanog, behind the scenes
anyway. [1]

Has anyone got any good deployment or lab test experience they can share?

Obviously comment on debug tools, operating models etc would be cool.

Basically I am hearing a bit of FUD about jumbo frames, dDOS and
multicast, but they look like design problems to me.


Has anyone got any backbone or converged network experience they can
share? Off or on list is fine

ta

nazster
[1] and they were right *then* weren't they but that's ANOTHER thread