Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?
At 05:29 PM 3/20/2006, you wrote: I've got a customer running a few 3660s with 12.2.29 on them. We went back to 12.2.29 because we saw all sorts of evil stuff with 12.3.16 on our test box - we'd drop all BGP sessions and end up with half a dozen obviously foreign prefixes listed as directly connected. The 12.2 train shows none of this sort of stuff. I touch BGP on 3660s, 7200s, and 7500s and this is a common theme - the customers I have are sticking to the 12.2 train. Is anyone seeing different trends than this? I'd be curious to know if there are certain 12.3 versions that act better than others, etc. We run mostly on 7200s. 12.3 definitely still has some bugs. Esp. with odd things like directly connected routes and networks disappearing from the routing table when using CEF - at least until you globally disable and re-enable CEF. However, there are some scenarios where we have to use the 12.3 train. We run 12.2(20 something) wherever possible. We have some customers running super new gear with 12.4T. Craziness I say! I'm not directly involved with those clients at all, but I certainly wouldn't want to run that in production yet. :) -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?
Sorry folks, I'm up too late. I replied to the wrong list! Have a good night everyone. -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: DNS Amplification Attacks
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 07:09:49AM +, Andy Davidson wrote: Joseph S D Yao wrote: [...] service except perhaps to their own population, than against what can you compare the DNS service that you are getting, to see whether it is giving you what the world should be seeing? DNS looking glasses, in much the same way that we use web-form based BGP or traceroute looking glasses today. Yes, I think I wrote one of those. ;-) It would have to become a common service to allow folks to trust the service [by comparing outputs]. -- Joe Yao --- This message is not an official statement of OSIS Center policies.
Re: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?
--On March 21, 2006 3:41:47 AM -0500 Robert Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We run mostly on 7200s. 12.3 definitely still has some bugs. Esp. with odd things like directly connected routes and networks disappearing from the routing table when using CEF - at least until you globally disable and re-enable CEF. However, there are some scenarios where we have to use the 12.3 train. We run 12.2(20 something) wherever possible. We have some customers running super new gear with 12.4T. Craziness I say! I'm not directly involved with those clients at all, but I certainly wouldn't want to run that in production yet. :) 12.2 for everything I touch as well, except for some ooold gear which is stuck in older chains. Similar problems observed with 12.3.
RE: [c-nsp] Which IOS do *you* use?
anyone running rockies 3 on 76 in anger?
TLD strings currently in use
Hi folks, I hope you consider this operational and on Topic:) We have been receiving some reports of rejection of TLD strings at the ISP level. Some of this may be due to length limitations set in peoples software, there may also be other causes. We want to make sure that there is a place where people can go and pick up a current list of the strings that are in the root zone. (Without having to parse the zone file itself). To this end the IANA is maintaining a list that can be downloaded from the following information page http://icann.org/topics/TLD-acceptance/ If you have questions please feel free to use the e-mail listed on the above URL. John Crain CTO ICANN
Final report: national diversity assurance initiative
ATIS has issued its final reports about its circuit national diversiety assurance initiative. The NDAI report confirmed our suspicions that diversity assurance is not for the meek, Malphrus added. It is expensive and requires commitment by the customer to work closely with carriers in performing due diligence. Until the problem is solved, circuit route diversity should not be promoted as a general customer best practice. Press release: http://www.atis.org/PRESS/pressreleases2006/031506.htm Report: http://www.atis.org/ndai/
Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative
Due to the cost structures for these projects, the telecommunications carriers believe that funding for the scoping effort and the implementation of an automated solution would need to come from the Federal government or some other external source prior to project implementation. .. and not afraid to ask for handouts either to fix their own backoffice challenges.. In a word: ridiculous, and flat out incredible. On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: ATIS has issued its final reports about its circuit national diversiety assurance initiative. The NDAI report confirmed our suspicions that diversity assurance is not for the meek, Malphrus added. It is expensive and requires commitment by the customer to work closely with carriers in performing due diligence. Until the problem is solved, circuit route diversity should not be promoted as a general customer best practice. Press release: http://www.atis.org/PRESS/pressreleases2006/031506.htm Report: http://www.atis.org/ndai/
Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative
It may be ridiculous and incredible, as you suggest, but, in an ironic way it also opens the door to a discussion on nationalizing the 'Net's backbone infrastructure ;-) Christian Kuhtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to the cost structures for these projects, the telecommunications carriers believe that funding for the scoping effort and the implementation of an automated solution would need to come from the Federal government or some other external source prior to project implementation. .. and not afraid to ask for handouts either to fix their own backoffice challenges.. In a word: ridiculous, and flat out incredible. On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: ATIS has issued its final reports about its circuit national diversiety assurance initiative. The NDAI report confirmed our suspicions that diversity assurance is not for the meek, Malphrus added. It is expensive and requires commitment by the customer to work closely with carriers in performing due diligence. Until the problem is solved, circuit route diversity should not be promoted as a general customer best practice. Press release: http://www.atis.org/PRESS/pressreleases2006/031506.htm Report: http://www.atis.org/ndai/
Re: Final report: national diversity assurance initiative
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:57 CST, Frank Coluccio said: It may be ridiculous and incredible, as you suggest, but, in an ironic way it also opens the door to a discussion on nationalizing the 'Net's backbone infrastructure ;-) Well, looking at the recent security scorecards, we can choose between letting DHS call the shots (wait, they got an F for their OWN security), and the NSF, which got an A. Wait, didn't those guys used to run the backbone? ;) pgpeR8iSWDNqC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Network graphics tools
Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio.
Re: Network graphics tools
xfig emacs artist-mode randy
Re: Network graphics tools
On Mar 21, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio. I use OmniGraffle Pro for OS/X: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/pro/ It can import and export Visio XML format, as well. -- Roland Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] // 408.527.6376 voice Everything has been said. But nobody listens. -- Roger Shattuck
Re: Network graphics tools
KDE has a Visio-like tool called kivio It was pretty much useless last I looked, but looks like it has some potential. Think I heard that you would be able to use the visio format at some point too, probably not yet though. http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ I've used dia a bit, seems reasonable. http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ -Wil Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio.
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:20:19 -1000, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xfig And something I learned only recently -- xfig comes with a large library of clip art. Here are the categories on my system: $ ls /usr/pkg/lib/X11/xfig/Libraries/ Arrows Electronic Labels Optics Audiovisual ExamplesLogic Origami Buildings Flags MapsProcessFlowsheet Charts Flowchart Mechanical_DIN Structural_Analysis Computers Furniture Miscellaneous UML DSP GUI Music Welding ERD HospitalNetworksElectrical KnittingOfficeEquip And if you must, Networks/router3.fig is a hockey puck --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio. Omnigraffle! http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ -Bill
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. ^ That's exactly what my network diagrams in dia look like. You can get dia for *NIX and Blows (if you want it). -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 09:17:44PM -0500, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Not sure how preferring things like rectangles stops you from using Visio, but *shrug* Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio. If you're doing diagrams for internal use and know the chances of them being used with external parties is slim-to-none, go ahead, play with toys like dia. Omnigraffle looks hopeful, but haven't personally used. On the other hand, if you are doing professional business communications I'd seriously condsider getting vmware and Visio. I might be a little backward to many here, as I work for a consulting company and 95% of what we do is client-facing. Maybe, more accurately, if you never expect anybody other than you to edit your work, Visio's not a necessity. PDFs are almost 100% acceptable, with a few losers left who won't install a reader. Not trying to start a Visio religious war, just saying there's a reason enterprises use it. Random thought - think Visio's capabilities are about as underused as Excel's... John
Re: Network graphics tools
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio. http://www.nethack.net/software/netmapr/ is an alternative as well. I personally use Dia, and it seems fine in both OS types, and exports various types of files that [OOo/MS-office] can deal with easily. You can download shapes for a variety of presenters/office/visio/etc from the cisco website (as well as others). Cheers, andy
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, John Kinsella wrote: If you're doing diagrams for internal use and know the chances of them being used with external parties is slim-to-none, go ahead, play with toys like dia. Omnigraffle looks hopeful, but haven't personally used. Omnigraffle can read/write Visio XML format, .vdx It's not Visio's default file format, but it does give you 100% compatibility. -Bill
Re: Network graphics tools
An entity claiming to be John Kinsella ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : Not trying to start a Visio religious war, just saying there's a reason : enterprises use it. : And it's not just that they think that having thousands of open stencil windows is impressive when you open a single diagram? Mark -- []| I once saw a page that said, This page best viewed [] Mark Rogaski | by coming over to my office and looking at it on my [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | monitor. You don't often see honesty like that. [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Jamie Zawinsky []| signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Network graphics tools
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo Howard! On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 09:17:44PM -0500, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. I am surprised no one has mentioned Open Office 2. It's drawing function can do a lot of Visio like things. I like it a lot better than dia and it does all the network drawing that I need. RGDS GARY - --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+1(541)382-8588 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEINmp8KZibdeR3qURAg2UAKCF6M1AN9CYWRvHgkPWSfjvxBrKVgCg6bJj CXgt4PcQfea+5EkKPZ4kgUk= =zmju -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Network graphics tools
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Mark Rogaski wrote: An entity claiming to be John Kinsella ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : Not trying to start a Visio religious war, just saying there's a reason : enterprises use it. : And it's not just that they think that having thousands of open stencil windows is impressive when you open a single diagram? If you save the document without any surplus stencil windows open, that doesn't happen. In my experience it simply remembers how many were open the last time it was saved, and reopens all the same ones again assuming theyre available. And this is rapidly moving OT ...
Re: Network graphics tools
Mechanical pencil, a sheet of paper for a straight edge, and a penny when you want to make a proffesional looking round object. I publish to Flickr using macro mode on my Fuji Finepix 5100 to make the picture. No little Cisco hockey puck stencils, but last year when I sketched a steaming pile o' poo all parties involved understood this to be the Cisco ICS 7750 we were scheduled to replace. Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: Much of the enterprise market seems wedded to Visio as their network graphics tool, which locks them into Windows. Personally, I hate both little pictures of equipment and Cisco hockey-puck icons; I much prefer things like rectangles saying 7507 STL-1 or M160 NYC-3. Assuming you use *NIX platforms (including BSD under Mac OS X), what are your preferred tools for network drawings, both for internal and external use? I'd hate to be driven to Windows only because I need Visio. -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // IM:layer3arts voice: 402 408 5951 cell : 402 301 9555 fax : 402 408 6902
