Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread Jack Bates


D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:


You're kidding, right?  Have you ever called an ISP to report a
technical problem that has nothing to do with your computer or even
your connection to them, say a reverse DNS issue?  If you tell them
that you run Unix they just ask you to run IE anyway.  If you don't run
Windows they won't help you.  That's a pretty clear message.



You're kidding, right? We much prefer the security holes of Firefox and Safari. 
Of course, don't ask my helpdesk for help with linux dialup issues. Too many 
variations of how to do it. They'll give you the right info, though.


Jack


Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:42:04 -0700
Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're kidding, right?  Have you ever called an ISP to report a
 technical problem that has nothing to do with your computer or even
 your connection to them, say a reverse DNS issue?  If you tell them
 that you run Unix they just ask you to run IE anyway.  If you don't run
 Windows they won't help you.  That's a pretty clear message.
 ---
 
 No I've never heard of that except, possibly, from non-clued phone monkeys.  
 It's easy to get past them to more clued folks, though...

For anyone on this list I'm sure but the fact is that the great
unwashed are told that only Windows is supported.  In fact it's
probably a factor in why we often tell friends to just use WinBlows so
that someone else can support them.

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Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:42:04 PDT, Scott Weeks said:
 No I've never heard of that except, possibly, from non-clued phone monkeys.  
 It's easy to get past them to more clued folks, though...

Maybe it's easy for you.  It's usually a bit harder for a Joe Sixpack who
has a Mac or Linux box, but doesn't have the industry connections we do.



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Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg


No I've never heard of that except, possibly, from non-clued phone 
monkeys.  It's easy to get past them to more clued folks, though...


Stop it!  You're making my sides hurt.


--lyndon

  Always Mount a Scratch Monkey


Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Weeks



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:42:04 PDT, Scott Weeks said:

 No I've never heard of that except, possibly, from non-clued phone monkeys.  
 It's easy to get past them to more clued folks, though...

Maybe it's easy for you.  It's usually a bit harder for a Joe Sixpack who
has a Mac or Linux box, but doesn't have the industry connections we do.
---

If Joe Sixpack has a Mac, calls his ISP for help, is told the ISP only supports 
Micro$loth, asks for escalation and can't get that (or even doesn't ask for 
escalation) I would think Joe would move to another ISP.  Thus my earlier 
statement that the ISP which does this we-support-Micro$loth-only crazyness is 
doomed to failure.

scott



Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:17:50 -0700
Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If Joe Sixpack has a Mac, calls his ISP for help, is told the ISP only 
 supports Micro$loth, asks for escalation and can't get that (or even doesn't 
 ask for escalation) I would think Joe would move to another ISP.  Thus my 
 earlier statement that the ISP which does this we-support-Micro$loth-only 
 crazyness is doomed to failure.

Perhaps I have just been unlucky when dealing with the big guys.  Not
that I mind since I run a small ISP and I am happy to skim the
one-tenth of one percent of their users that won't put up with that
shit.  However, it isn't going to make any dent in their business.

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