Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
Hi,, groupI need some help.Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability,scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ???Some experience in the real life Thanks!!! and Regards !!!
Re[2]: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
echlo Friday, August 3, 2007, 10:47:33 AM, you wrote: NE5000E is available in two linecard chassi solution. have anyone seen or maybe used 40Gig cards for NE5000E? are they available, and how do they work? (rumours say there might be some issue due to the fact that huawei has only 10G capable forwarding chip, but maybe that issue had been solved already). -- = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = tel +48-504-109307 = 2:480/70 = *in arp we trust* = === PGP: 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA = http://krap.pl/pgp/ ===
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. -Robert Tellurian Networks - Global Hosting Solutions Since 1995 http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ wrote: Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? There is no single answer to your question. Looking at what the platforms offer NOW (if you want future you have to talk to the vendors), some key points: CRS-1 scales to at least 4-8 linecard chassis with current software. Juniper T1600 doesn't have a multichassi solution. NE5000E is available in two linecard chassi solution. CRS-1 was designed from the beginning as a 64 (or 72, I dont remember) linecard chassi solution, Juniper and Huawei are working on their scalability. If you need a lot of multicast you need to look into how the platforms do this, none of them will do wirespeed multicast on all packet sizes and they all have different ways of handling it internally. If you have less than 10% of your packets that are multicast, this is less of a worry. Since Huawei is the challenger here, it's most likely they'll give you the most aggressive price. If you need netflow, it might be good to know that CRS-1 does without the need for anything additional, both T1600 and NE5000E needs feature acceleration cards to do netflow properly, and NE5000E will only do netflow in the ingress direction on a linecard whereas CRS-1 and T1600 will do it bidirectionally. When it comes to operational issues, my personal opinion: If you know Juniper, the OS of course identical on the T1600. If you know IOS, IOS XR is fairly easy to learn. Huawei OS looks configurationwise structurally like IOS, but with the commands changed on purpose (show is display etc). There are a lot more things to say but a lot of it might be under NDA, so you need to talk to the vendors directly to get more details. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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buncha updates to http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/ today
seems i've been ignoring it for two years. sorry about that. all the mail i had on this topic has been processed. check your entries. i'm in the mood for more updates if anybody's got anything. note that CCCP died and i replaced it with an entry for SFCCP, don't know if that's correct. i'd like all community colo projects in the world to be listed.
Re: 40Gbit private peer
Petri Helenius wrote: Could be, I heard that she was hosting the new Piratebay SupaNove service.. -- Leigh Leigh Porter wrote: Hey, BEcause you really need it ;-) 30 second input rate 77849000 bits/sec, 7236 packets/sec 30 second output rate 17464000 bits/sec, 5023 packets/sec Very nice though, it'll be great for all the P2P. Maybe Peter's mother needs a faster LAN connection to her computer? Pete
BGP Update Report
BGP Update Report Interval: 03-Jul-07 -to- 02-Aug-07 (31 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS14906 198492 1.9% 39698.4 -- 2 - AS9583 158564 1.5% 135.5 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 3 - AS4621 101317 1.0% 684.6 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH 4 - AS21452 96408 0.9%9640.8 -- skannet-ibadan 5 - AS24731 85941 0.8%2046.2 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 6 - AS701864510 0.6% 41.6 -- ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet Services 7 - AS30850 60686 0.6% 30343.0 -- DESMIE-AS Hellenic Trasmission System Operator S.A. 8 - AS24326 58004 0.6% 329.6 -- TTT-AS-AP Maxnet, Internet Service Provider, Bangkok 9 - AS815156564 0.5% 62.5 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 10 - AS477554245 0.5% 332.8 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Telecom Carrier / ISP Plus + 11 - AS760450191 0.5%1792.5 -- HWY1-AS Highway 1 12 - AS24863 49692 0.5% 136.9 -- LINKdotNET-AS 13 - AS702 47778 0.5% 71.0 -- AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 14 - AS31200 47454 0.5%2259.7 -- NTK Novotelecom ltd. 15 - AS13285 46372 0.4%6624.6 -- OPALTELECOM-AS Opal Telecom 16 - AS26210 42782 0.4% 411.4 -- AES Communications Bolivia S.A. 17 - AS27685 41764 0.4%2456.7 -- PEOPLE ONLINE 18 - AS949840654 0.4% 37.1 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 19 - AS19444 40123 0.4% 647.1 -- CHARTER-STL - CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS 20 - AS791039042 0.4% 245.5 -- COLDECON TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS14906 198492 1.9% 39698.4 -- 2 - AS30850 60686 0.6% 30343.0 -- DESMIE-AS Hellenic Trasmission System Operator S.A. 3 - AS22433 22511 0.2% 22511.0 -- HRMC - Human Resource Management Center, Inc. 4 - AS21452 96408 0.9%9640.8 -- skannet-ibadan 5 - AS21348 17545 0.2%8772.5 -- KOPTERIFI KOPTERIFI is autonomous system. Located in Vammala Finland 6 - AS19001 13450 0.1%6725.0 -- AVENTCOMMTECH - Aventure Communications 7 - AS13285 46372 0.4%6624.6 -- OPALTELECOM-AS Opal Telecom 8 - AS12879 35898 0.3%5983.0 -- OJSC-STN-AS Svyaztransneft Autonomus System 9 - AS30707 16932 0.2%5644.0 -- 10 - AS9833 5080 0.1%5080.0 -- HICOM-AS-AP http://www.plexus.net 11 - AS268294883 0.1%4883.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 12 - AS148544475 0.0%4475.0 -- AOL-MTC2 - America Online, Inc. 13 - AS5956 4159 0.0%4159.0 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 14 - AS220723954 0.0%3954.0 -- 15 - AS319493630 0.0%3630.0 -- APEXDIGITAL - Apex Digital 16 - AS343783551 0.0%3551.0 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 17 - AS30763 30099 0.3%3344.3 -- IOS-SECONDARY-AS Internet of Siberia ISP 18 - AS382813004 0.0%3004.0 -- ASN-ABSYSTEMS-PH ABSystems Inc 19 - AS208162772 0.0%2772.0 -- IIP-NET-AS20816 Science and Society Telecomm Center 20 - AS410272757 0.0%2757.0 -- NETEX-AS NETEX Company, Kyiv, Ukraine TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 194.110.73.0/24 60607 0.6% AS30850 -- DESMIE-AS Hellenic Trasmission System Operator S.A. 2 - 203.23.208.0/24 48542 0.5% AS7604 -- HWY1-AS Highway 1 3 - 62.24.238.0/2446247 0.4% AS13285 -- OPALTELECOM-AS Opal Telecom 4 - 12.27.90.0/24 42519 0.4% AS14906 -- 5 - 12.27.91.0/24 42519 0.4% AS14906 -- 6 - 12.27.88.0/24 39882 0.4% AS14906 -- 7 - 12.27.89.0/24 39774 0.4% AS14906 -- 8 - 221.135.253.0/24 35786 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 9 - 12.27.88.0/22 33798 0.3% AS14906 -- 10 - 80.250.36.0/2332255 0.3% AS21452 -- skannet-ibadan 11 - 80.243.64.0/2032136 0.3% AS21332 -- NTC-AS New Telephone Company 12 - 80.250.44.0/2232113 0.3% AS21452 -- skannet-ibadan 13 - 80.250.40.0/2231429 0.3% AS21452 -- skannet-ibadan 14 - 221.135.22.0/24 30098 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 15 - 212.109.192.0/20 29469 0.3% AS30763 -- IOS-SECONDARY-AS Internet of Siberia ISP 16 - 64.215.207.0/24 22511 0.2% AS22433 -- HRMC - Human Resource Management Center, Inc. 17 - 200.123.224.0/24 19982 0.2% AS27685 -- PEOPLE ONLINE 18 - 200.123.225.0/24 19980 0.2% AS27685 -- PEOPLE ONLINE 19 - 203.177.10.0/24 19774 0.2% AS4775 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Telecom Carrier / ISP Plus + 20 - 203.177.132.0/24 19582 0.2% AS4775 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Telecom Carrier / ISP Plus +
The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Aug 3 21:14:14 2007 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
27-07-07229936 152470
28-07-07230100 151885
29-07-07230059 151909
30-07-07230025 152277
31-07-07230837 153204
01-08-07231530 153629
02-08-07232017 148578
03-08-07231908 149802
AS Summary
25947 Number of ASes in routing system
10982 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
1497 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet Services
88836096 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 03Aug07 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 231833 1498418199235.4% All ASes
AS4134 1369 366 100373.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE
No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS18566 1017 99 91890.3% COVAD - Covad Communications
Co.
AS4323 1320 406 91469.2% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom,
Inc.
AS4755 1312 413 89968.5% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam
Ltd. Autonomous System
AS6478 1103 341 76269.1% ATT-INTERNET3 - ATT WorldNet
Services
AS11492 1115 369 74666.9% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE
AS9498 1010 338 67266.5% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET
LTD.
AS9394 844 220 62473.9% CRNET CHINA RAILWAY
Internet(CRNET)
AS19262 768 187 58175.7% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
Internet Services Inc.
AS6197 1029 532 49748.3% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network
Solutions, Inc
AS15270 564 70 49487.6% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a
division of
PaeTecCommunications, Inc.
AS17488 738 250 48866.1% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
Cable Internet
AS7545 714 230 48467.8% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
Pty Ltd
AS7018 1497 1017 48032.1% ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet
Services
AS18101 578 106 47281.7% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
Internet Data Centre,
AS19916 568 101 46782.2% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC
AS2386 1194 743 45137.8% INS-AS - ATT Data
Communications Services
AS17676 504 65 43987.1% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan
Network Information Center
AS8151 898 462 43648.6% Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS4766 796 362 43454.5% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS4812 530 103 42780.6% CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom
(Group)
AS9443 480 82 39882.9% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus
Telecommunications
AS7029 555 187 36866.3% WINDSTREAM - Windstream
Communications Inc
AS4808 477 114 36376.1% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
network China169 Beijing
Province Network
AS4668 512 168 34467.2% LGNET-AS-KR LG CNS
AS22773 750 406 34445.9% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications
Inc.
AS7011 899 579 32035.6% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
Frontier Communications of
America, Inc.
AS16852 400 81 31979.8% BROADWING-FOCAL - Broadwing
Weekly Routing Table Report
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 04 Aug, 2007 Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net This report:http://thyme.apnic.net/ap-data/2007/08/04/0400 Analysis Summary BGP routing table entries examined: 227298 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 119323 Deaggregation factor: 1.90 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 110484 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 25850 Prefixes per ASN: 8.79 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 22525 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 10999 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:3325 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 78 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 21 Max AS path prepend of ASN (35389) 16 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 8 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 4 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 5 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 11 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1743111648 Equivalent to 103 /8s, 229 /16s and 197 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 47.0 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 61.6 Percentage of available address space allocated: 76.4 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 119891 APNIC Region Analysis Summary - Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:53242 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 20681 APNIC Deaggregation factor:2.57 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 50181 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:22059 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:3024 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 16.59 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:814 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:461 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:3.6 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 306088608 Equivalent to 18 /8s, 62 /16s and 138 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 75.8 APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 116/6, 120/6, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:107633 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:62571 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.72 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:79239 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 31555 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:11715 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 6.76 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:4524 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:1072 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.4 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 341376000 Equivalent to 20 /8s, 88 /16s and 252 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 75.4 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959 ARIN Address Blocks24/8,
Re: 365 Main reason for outage report published
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Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Robert Boyle wrote: At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. Any experiences of Foundry routing w/ more complex protocols (PIM, MSDP, various IPv6 stuff)? The last time we tried running non-C/J as a router was a very Extreme experience and we swore never again to touch similar router underdogs in the future. -- Pekka Savola You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds. Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
RE: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
We're Juniper right now, but we're looking at the Foundry MLX line for possible future sites due to cost/performance. So I'd be interested in folks' experience with Foundry's Terathon gear and associated IronWare revs. Its supposed to be a lot better than the JetCore stuff (cam-trashing problems etc.) but it'd be nice to hear what folks are seeing in real life. Best Regards, Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pekka Savola Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:07 PM To: Robert Boyle Cc: ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Robert Boyle wrote: At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. Any experiences of Foundry routing w/ more complex protocols (PIM, MSDP, various IPv6 stuff)? The last time we tried running non-C/J as a router was a very Extreme experience and we swore never again to touch similar router underdogs in the future. -- Pekka Savola You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds. Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings !SIG:46b39bc6156532946815078!
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
ALEJANDRO, You can use Foundry XMR box. It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... Att, Giuliano Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Thanks!!! and Regards !!!
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:47:44PM -0300, Giuliano (UOL) wrote: It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But a CLI/config as modern as a grammophone. If only they would copy JunOS instead of IOS... sigh. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... They already fail at light conditions, given that there is no multitopology IS-IS. This equals to showstopper if your network uses multitopo IS-IS for v4+v6 (and perhaps even for unicast and multicast). Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
Daniel, Like Juniper T1600 and CRS-1 I have to agree it will be very difficult to compare thinking about performance and S.O functionality (ASICs, Internet Processor 2, Multicasting Matrix Architecture, Hardware Arch, QNX, Real Time OS, I-Chip ASICs, Forwarding Plane, Control Plane and Service Plane etc.) ... thinking that major (95 % ?) of the service providers, telecom companies and research networks (I2, NLR, AARNET, APAN...) in the world are using something the both trades. We do not have a lot of other companies cases to show. Juniper has IPv6 implementation since 10 years ? JUNOS 4.2 ? We have to agree (too) they have a lot expertise in how it works under mix, heavy traffic, etc. Only prices fro this 2 machines are very HARD to work !!! Thinking about Juniper a good suggestion could be the MX Series Family with high concentration of Ethernet High Speedy Interfaces (SFP). Cisco CRS-1 is very new, right ? People from NLR (I think) is using the 8 slot router with the new IOS XR based on QNX ... Maybe some of them could tell how it works under heavy conditions of traffic, v4+v6 mix with multicast, unicast and MPLS VPNs .. all running togheter. Thanks, Giuliano On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:47:44PM -0300, Giuliano (UOL) wrote: It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But a CLI/config as modern as a grammophone. If only they would copy JunOS instead of IOS... sigh. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... They already fail at light conditions, given that there is no multitopology IS-IS. This equals to showstopper if your network uses multitopo IS-IS for v4+v6 (and perhaps even for unicast and multicast). Best regards, Daniel
