Re: FCC rules for backup power

[Michael Loftis]

--On November 13, 2007 3:07:03 PM -0500 Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:





Proposed new FCC rules for backup power sources for central offices, cell
sites, remote switches, digital loops, etc.  For the first time, the FCC
is considering specific backup power time requirements of 24 hours for
central offices and 8 hours for outside plant and cell sites.  Although
most carriers tended to follow old Bell System Practices for backup power,
BSP's weren't official regulations.

ISPs aren't specifically covered, but 




If it makes Qwest put backup on the mini-DSLAM at my curb, good.  I'm damn 
sick of losing access every time we have a power bump out here because they 
are too cheap to provide backup for anything except their CO out here.


However I do agree that the FCC is the wrong org to do it, because, as 
stated elsewhere, they don't have a clue about local regs/etc.

Re: Postmaster Operator List?

[Steve Atkins]

On Nov 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote:



On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 22:13 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot  
send

mail to your domain blah blah"



Been to a MAAWG meeting yet?  Or been on one such list?

There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant
stuff that goes on.



From www.maawg.org:  "Your company must be a member of this  
organization

for you to gain access to the members area of this site"


Well, yes. That's why it's called the "members area". There's a bunch of
information there that is not in the "members area" (as well as some  
that

should be, but isn't, IMO but what can you do?).



Ok, so it's still a good-ole-boys club.  Interestingly enough, a  
lot of

the names on the "approved" companies are some of the ones that can't
very effectively control inbound/outbound spam from their net blocks.
How long has MAAWG been in existence?  Has email Abuse gotten  
better or

worse?


All of which is covered on the maawg website, IIRC, should you want to
look, rather than rant.



Perhaps if they weren't so exclusive




It being slightly exclusive keeps the idiots out, and reduces the "I  
cannot send
mail to your domain blah blah" to a negligible level. It's only about  
$3k / year to be
a corporate member, so it's not that high a bar to any company that  
actually

cares about email.

If you want a forum solely about email operations that's open to any  
idiot with
a mail client, you risk attracting all sorts of nutjobs on all sides  
of the spam / filtering
issue. If you limit it to operators, you'll attract the subset of  
those nutjobs who also
claim to be operators. You'll certainly attract a lot of write-only  
traffic of the "I cannot

send mail to..." mentioned above too.

Cheers,
  Steve

Re: Postmaster Operator List?

[Jim Popovitch]

On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 22:13 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send
> > mail to your domain blah blah"
> >
> 
> Been to a MAAWG meeting yet?  Or been on one such list?
> 
> There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant
> stuff that goes on.


>From www.maawg.org:  "Your company must be a member of this organization
for you to gain access to the members area of this site"

Ok, so it's still a good-ole-boys club.  Interestingly enough, a lot of
the names on the "approved" companies are some of the ones that can't
very effectively control inbound/outbound spam from their net blocks.
How long has MAAWG been in existence?  Has email Abuse gotten better or
worse?  Perhaps if they weren't so exclusive

Re: Postmaster Operator List?

[Leigh Porter]

If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send
mail to your domain blah blah"

--
Leigh


Justin Scott wrote:
> Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG specifically for e-mail
> operations?  I've seen some smaller lists around that deal with specific
> issues (spam, etc.) but have not seen a general postmaster operations
> mailing list, though I'm sure there has to be one around somewhere.  Any
> hints in that direction would be appreciated.
>
>
> -Justin Scott | GravityFree
>  Network Administrator
>
> 1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210
> Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431
> 941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429
> www.GravityFree.com
>   

Re: Postmaster Operator List?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Nov 16, 2007 10:04 PM, Leigh Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> If there was, I sure would not join it. It'd be full of "I cannot send
> mail to your domain blah blah"
>

Been to a MAAWG meeting yet?  Or been on one such list?

There's a lot more interesting and useful / operationally relevant
stuff that goes on.

Postmaster Operator List?

[Justin Scott]

Is there a mailing list similar to NANOG specifically for e-mail
operations?  I've seen some smaller lists around that deal with specific
issues (spam, etc.) but have not seen a general postmaster operations
mailing list, though I'm sure there has to be one around somewhere.  Any
hints in that direction would be appreciated.


-Justin Scott | GravityFree
 Network Administrator

1960 Stickney Point Road, Suite 210
Sarasota | FL | 34231 | 800.207.4431
941.927.7674 x115 | f 941.923.5429
www.GravityFree.com

New AUP as of 16 NOV 07

[Martin Hannigan]

Dear Colleagues:

This morning, a new Acceptable Use Policy was posted on the NANOG website.

 http://www.nanog.org/aup.html

Please be aware of it and note some significant changes. Much of the
language like "discouraged" was removed so that readers of the list
can interpret the AUP clearly vs. the general and vague
interpretations that were possible before. The problem we recently saw
with marketers contacting people has been addressed as well.

Of note to many of our enterprise network operator readers, there is a
new addition that should be of great concern and note:

  8. Autoresponders sending mail either to the list or to the
poster are prohibited.

If you for any reason turn on an automatic courtesy response
(vacation, out of office, etc.) to people who mail you directly, you
will be removed from NANOG and you can resubscribe later.


There is process that was agreed upon by the MLC and that you can use
to set expectations:

• AUP Adherence and Support
▪ MLC comments that address a posters behavior not on the list
▪ MLC comments that address the relevancy of any thread will be
  consensus based and public
 ▪ MLC will seek internal consensus on warnings and warnings will
  be clearly identified as such
 ▪ AUP non-conformance is equally weighted
 ▪ Roll call votes for subscriber bans and/or reinstatement

We tend to send notes of "concern" mostly, and if you are getting a
warning, it will clearly be marked "warning" and will carry the full
backing of the MLC.

There was work around transparency of the inner workings of the list itself:

• Transparency
 ▪ Automated filters will be posted clearly and accurately on website
 ▪ Automated monthly statistics will be posted on website
 ▪ Public minutes of monthly meetings posted in a timely fashion on
 website

Note: The AUP was _not_ unanimously approved by the NANOG MLC. The
fractious item was #8, since it is beyond many folks control and
required by employers _and_ easily mitigated by local filtering.

And the obligatory -- "Please abide by the AUP".

-M<

BGP Update Report

[cidr-report]

BGP Update Report
Interval: 15-Oct-07 -to- 15-Nov-07 (32 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS8452   236412  2.8% 731.9 -- TEDATA TEDATA
 2 - AS16637  176594  2.1%2487.2 -- MTNNS-AS
 3 - AS8866   152479  1.8% 550.5 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian 
Telecommunication Company Plc.
 4 - AS9583   130832  1.6% 112.6 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
 5 - AS288101767  1.2% 841.0 -- European Space Agency
 6 - AS558392027  1.1%1460.7 -- GIPNL Equant Benelux AS
 7 - AS33783   75378  0.9% 593.5 -- EEPAD
 8 - AS321568184  0.8% 104.6 -- AS3215 France Telecom - Orange
 9 - AS949867483  0.8%  63.0 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
10 - AS815160452  0.7%  45.8 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.
11 - AS14390   52659  0.6% 940.3 -- 
12 - AS462151998  0.6% 346.7 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH
13 - AS475551798  0.6%  34.6 -- VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam 
Ltd. Autonomous System
14 - AS17540   50222  0.6%   50222.0 -- MTL-AP Modern Terminals Limited
15 - AS12975   45762  0.5% 572.0 -- PALTEL-AS PALTEL Autonomous 
System
16 - AS26829   44072  0.5%   44072.0 -- 
17 - AS24731   43509  0.5% 925.7 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering 
Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA)
18 - AS702 40687  0.5%  66.2 -- AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - 
Commercial IP service provider in Europe
19 - AS983539781  0.5% 313.2 -- GITS-TH-AS-AP Government 
Information Technology Services
20 - AS475036812  0.4% 161.5 -- CSLOXINFO-ISP-AS-AP CSLOXINFO 
Public Company Limited.


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS17540   50222  0.6%   50222.0 -- MTL-AP Modern Terminals Limited
 2 - AS26829   44072  0.5%   44072.0 -- 
 3 - AS22072   13360  0.2%   13360.0 -- 
 4 - AS42704   10021  0.1%   10021.0 -- ELITENETWORK-AS SC Elite 
Network Communications SRL
 5 - AS43830   19813  0.2%9906.5 -- ADECCO-ASN Adecco IT Services
 6 - AS33356   15124  0.2%7562.0 -- 
 7 - AS193347160  0.1%7160.0 -- 
 8 - AS382406330  0.1%6330.0 -- CALYONFINANCIAL-AS-JP Calyon 
Financial, Inc.
 9 - AS10275   11268  0.1%5634.0 -- 
10 - AS382424257  0.1%4257.0 -- FORTIS-AU-AS Fortis Clearing 
Sydney
11 - AS343823389  0.0%3389.0 -- ASSYRUS-SRL-AS Assyrus Srl 
Maintainer
12 - AS360116192  0.1%3096.0 -- 
13 - AS139565692  0.1%2846.0 -- 
14 - AS307078373  0.1%2791.0 -- 
15 - AS336187558  0.1%2519.3 -- 
16 - AS16637  176594  2.1%2487.2 -- MTNNS-AS
17 - AS126116839  0.1%2279.7 -- RKOM R-KOM Regensburger 
Telekommunikations GmbH & Co. KG
18 - AS319424350  0.1%2175.0 -- 
19 - AS316712003  0.0%2003.0 -- AKTINFOSYS AKT 
Informationssysteme AG
20 - AS288131988  0.0%1988.0 -- VECERNJI-AS Vecernji list d.d.


TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes
Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name
 1 - 192.96.14.0/2483388  0.9%   AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS
 2 - 192.96.13.0/2483383  0.9%   AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS
 3 - 83.228.103.0/24   66280  0.7%   AS8866  -- BTC-AS Bulgarian 
Telecommunication Company Plc.
 4 - 209.163.125.0/24  51466  0.6%   AS14390 -- 
 5 - 203.83.127.0/24   50222  0.6%   AS17540 -- MTL-AP Modern Terminals Limited
 6 - 125.23.208.0/20   44115  0.5%   AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
 7 - 12.108.254.0/24   44072  0.5%   AS26829 -- 
 8 - 83.228.61.0/2427363  0.3%   AS8866  -- BTC-AS Bulgarian 
Telecommunication Company Plc.
 9 - 83.228.59.0/2427358  0.3%   AS8866  -- BTC-AS Bulgarian 
Telecommunication Company Plc.
10 - 83.228.71.0/2426558  0.3%   AS8866  -- BTC-AS Bulgarian 
Telecommunication Company Plc.
11 - 210.18.10.0/2426005  0.3%   AS9583  -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
12 - 221.135.22.0/24   23642  0.3%   AS9583  -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
13 - 221.135.113.0/24  23114  0.3%   AS9583  -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
14 - 196.219.236.0/24  20005  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
15 - 196.219.234.0/24  19991  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
16 - 196.219.235.0/24  19979  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
17 - 196.219.244.0/24  19976  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
18 - 196.219.245.0/24  19971  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
19 - 196.219.246.0/24  19970  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
20 - 196.219.249.0/24  19970  0.2%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA

Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net

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The Cidr Report

[cidr-report]

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 16 21:17:23 2007 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
09-11-07243678  155686
10-11-07243974  156046
11-11-07243839  148347
12-11-07235665  148466
13-11-07235821  154894
14-11-07244197  155135
15-11-07243680  155759
16-11-07243479  157541


AS Summary
 26754  Number of ASes in routing system
 11260  Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
  1966  Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS4538 : ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network 
Center
  89032704  Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS721  : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center


Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as 
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').

 --- 16Nov07 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr  NetGain   % Gain   Description

Table 243623   1575338609035.3%   All ASes

AS4538  1966  718 124863.5%   ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education
   and Research Network Center
AS4755  1476  298 117879.8%   VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam
   Ltd. Autonomous System
AS9498  1048   69  97993.4%   BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET
   LTD.
AS4323  1363  463  90066.0%   TWTC - Time Warner Telecom,
   Inc.
AS11492 1171  420  75164.1%   CABLEONE - CABLE ONE
AS22773  819   72  74791.2%   CCINET-2 - Cox Communications
   Inc.
AS6478  1123  395  72864.8%   ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet
   Services
AS8151  1160  445  71561.6%   Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS18566 1032  360  67265.1%   COVAD - Covad Communications
   Co.
AS19262  811  183  62877.4%   VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
   Internet Services Inc.
AS17488  879  265  61469.9%   HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
   Cable Internet
AS15270  601   41  56093.2%   AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
   Communications, Inc.
AS18101  611   72  53988.2%   RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
   Internet Data Centre,
AS4134  1102  595  50746.0%   CHINANET-BACKBONE
   No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS7545   725  230  49568.3%   TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
   Pty Ltd
AS7018  1518 1029  48932.2%   ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet
   Services
AS2386  1279  798  48137.6%   INS-AS - AT&T Data
   Communications Services
AS6197  1031  557  47446.0%   BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network
   Solutions, Inc
AS4766   817  374  44354.2%   KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS4812   524   87  43783.4%   CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom
   (Group)
AS7011   982  574  40841.5%   FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
   Frontier Communications of
   America, Inc.
AS17676  503  126  37775.0%   GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp.
AS4808   503  127  37674.8%   CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
   network China169 Beijing
   Province Network
AS9443   450   76  37483.1%   INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus
   Telecommunications
AS19916  569  206  36363.8%   ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC
AS4668   520  168  35267.7%   LGNET-AS-KR LG CNS
AS3602   413   76  33781.6%   AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom
   Inc.
AS16814  427   95  33277.8%   NSS S.A.
AS4802   482  155  32767.8%   ASN-IINET iiNet Limited
AS9829   530  206  32461.1%   BSNL-NIB National Internet