BGP Update Report

[cidr-report]

BGP Update Report
Interval: 18-Feb-08 -to- 20-Mar-08 (32 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS9498   115119  2.0%  91.8 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
 2 - AS24731   66934  1.2% 826.3 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering 
Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA)
 3 - AS958353584  0.9%  45.7 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
 4 - AS815149042  0.9%  40.8 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.
 5 - AS17974   47372  0.8%  71.0 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT 
Telekomunikasi Indonesia
 6 - AS26829   42744  0.8%   42744.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC
 7 - AS462135757  0.6% 230.7 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH
 8 - AS123935047  0.6%   9.1 -- SPRINTLINK - Sprint
 9 - AS982931709  0.6%  53.1 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet 
Backbone
10 - AS11830   28688  0.5%  12.3 -- Instituto Costarricense de 
Electricidad y Telecom.
11 - AS432328611  0.5%   7.1 -- TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc.
12 - AS33783   26507  0.5% 184.1 -- EEPAD
13 - AS912124749  0.4%   9.8 -- TTNET TTnet Autonomous System
14 - AS10481   23219  0.4%  27.3 -- Prima S.A.
15 - AS21332   23038  0.4% 886.1 -- NTC-AS New Telephone Company
16 - AS614022731  0.4%  31.7 -- IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat USA, Inc.
17 - AS19334   22652  0.4%   22652.0 -- SPORTLINE-DBC - SPORTLINE
18 - AS919822422  0.4%  53.3 -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
19 - AS13495   22218  0.4%   22218.0 -- NTT do Brasil Telecomunicaoes 
Ltda
20 - AS701821525  0.4%  14.3 -- ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet 
Services


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS26829   42744  0.8%   42744.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC
 2 - AS19334   22652  0.4%   22652.0 -- SPORTLINE-DBC - SPORTLINE
 3 - AS13495   22218  0.4%   22218.0 -- NTT do Brasil Telecomunicaoes 
Ltda
 4 - AS17487   15970  0.3%   15970.0 -- ICBCASIA-AP Industrial and 
Commercial Bank
 5 - AS21291   15087  0.3%   15087.0 -- OMEGABANK 8 Dragatsaniou str
 6 - AS42787   10340  0.2%   10340.0 -- MMIP-AS MultiMedia IP Ltd.
 7 - AS32398   17017  0.3%8508.5 -- REALNET-ASN-1
 8 - AS292256817  0.1%6817.0 -- TAIF-TELCOM-AS JSC TAIF-TELCOM
 9 - AS14895   18847  0.3%6282.3 -- LAWSON-SOFTWARE - Lawson 
Software
10 - AS309296082  0.1%6082.0 -- HUTCB Hidrotechnical Faculty - 
Technical University
11 - AS190174661  0.1%4661.0 -- QUALCOMM-QWBS-LV - Qualcomm 
Wireless Business Solutions
12 - AS419073852  0.1%3852.0 -- POLFA PZPF Polfa
13 - AS797412175  0.2%3043.8 -- Instituto Mexicano del Petroleo
14 - AS369752775  0.1%2775.0 -- CBA-AS
15 - AS433822252  0.0%2252.0 -- IFOLOR-FIKA-AS Ifolor Oy - 
Kerava
16 - AS409812217  0.0%2217.0 -- UNIVCG University of Montenegro
17 - AS974719918  0.3%2213.1 -- EZINTERNET-AS-AP EZInternet Pty 
Ltd
18 - AS400112091  0.0%2091.0 -- 65-79-192-0-SYNIVERSE-CRX - 
Panhandle Telecommunications Systems, INC.
19 - AS324551885  0.0%1885.0 -- FNIS-HAWAII - FNIS
20 - AS353241880  0.0%1880.0 -- ECH-WILL-AS E.C.H. Will


TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes
Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name
 1 - 203.101.87.0/24   45923  0.8%   AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
 2 - 12.108.254.0/24   42744  0.7%   AS26829 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC
 3 - 202.140.63.0/24   35821  0.6%   AS17443 -- ESTELCOM-AP International 
Internet gateway , India
 AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
 4 - 125.23.208.0/20   31063  0.5%   AS9498  -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD.
 5 - 63.169.11.0/2422652  0.4%   AS19334 -- SPORTLINE-DBC - SPORTLINE
 6 - 200.194.64.0/19   22218  0.4%   AS13495 -- NTT do Brasil Telecomunicaoes 
Ltda
 7 - 80.243.64.0/2021713  0.3%   AS21332 -- NTC-AS New Telephone Company
 8 - 124.7.244.0/2420789  0.3%   AS9583  -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited
 9 - 203.63.26.0/2419736  0.3%   AS9747  -- EZINTERNET-AS-AP EZInternet Pty 
Ltd
10 - 64.79.128.0/1917365  0.3%   AS23005 -- SWITCH-COMMUNICATIONS - SWITCH 
Communications Group LLC
11 - 41.204.0.0/24 17005  0.3%   AS32398 -- REALNET-ASN-1
12 - 89.4.131.0/24 16087  0.3%   AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering 
Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA)
13 - 220.241.83.0/24   15970  0.3%   AS17487 -- ICBCASIA-AP Industrial and 
Commercial Bank
14 - 89.4.130.0/24 15968  0.3%   AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering 
Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA)
15 - 89.4.128.0/24 15431  0.2%   AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering 
Se

The Cidr Report

[cidr-report]

This report has been generated at Fri Mar 21 21:14:42 2008 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.

Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.

Recent Table History
Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
14-03-08256927  166206
15-03-08257269  164530
16-03-08257453  164797
17-03-08257532  165377
18-03-08257788  163602
19-03-08260443  164057
20-03-08260697  165137
21-03-08261084  164130


AS Summary
 27992  Number of ASes in routing system
 11704  Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
  1616  Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS4755 : VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System
  88763904  Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS721  : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center


Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as 
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').

 --- 21Mar08 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr  NetGain   % Gain   Description

Table 259087   1641229496536.7%   All ASes

AS9498  1212  161 105186.7%   BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET
   LTD.
AS4755  1616  588 102863.6%   VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam
   Ltd. Autonomous System
AS4323  1396  518  87862.9%   TWTC - Time Warner Telecom,
   Inc.
AS18566 1046  230  81678.0%   COVAD - Covad Communications
   Co.
AS1785  1007  235  77276.7%   AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
   Communications, Inc.
AS11492 1224  464  76062.1%   CABLEONE - CABLE ONE
AS22773  897  144  75383.9%   CCINET-2 - Cox Communications
   Inc.
AS17488 1035  322  71368.9%   HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
   Cable Internet
AS8151  1187  484  70359.2%   Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS18101  710  110  60084.5%   RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
   Internet Data Centre,
AS6478   938  366  57261.0%   ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet
   Services
AS19262  894  328  56663.3%   VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
   Internet Services Inc.
AS2386  1413  883  53037.5%   INS-AS - AT&T Data
   Communications Services
AS4134   873  382  49156.2%   CHINANET-BACKBONE
   No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS6197  1000  527  47347.3%   BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network
   Solutions, Inc
AS8103   645  175  47072.9%   STATE-OF-FLA - Florida
   Department of Management
   Services - Technology Program
AS4812   563  103  46081.7%   CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom
   (Group)
AS19916  557  101  45681.9%   ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC
AS4766   853  403  45052.8%   KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS855566  117  44979.3%   CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant
AS17676  510   67  44386.9%   GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp.
AS7011  1085  646  43940.5%   FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
   Frontier Communications of
   America, Inc.
AS6389   887  454  43348.8%   BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
   BellSouth.net Inc.
AS7018  1467 1037  43029.3%   ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet
   Services
AS3356   859  463  39646.1%   LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications
AS3602   462   82  38082.3%   AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom
   Inc.
AS6140   613  237  37661.3%   IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat USA, Inc.
AS5668   678  303  37555.3%   AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet
   Holdings, Inc.
AS9443   452   77  37583.0%   INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus
   Telecommunications
AS4808   523  151  37271.1%   

Re: NXDOMAIN data needed for survey

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:45:30AM -0700, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
> BTW: If someone legitimate needs NXDOMAIN data, I do have a bunch. 

If anyone else is interesting in a concerted effort to provide
falsified data, I'm interested in helping and hosting.


-- 
Ross Vandegrift
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine
man in the bonds of Hell."
--St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Barry Shein]

Is this for real?

Someone asks a harmless question about setting up multiple default
routes, not about Barack Obama or whether the moon is made of green
cheese, but about default routes.

Then 10 people decide to respond that this isn't appropriate for nanog.

Then 25 people decide to dispute that.

Then 50 people are arguing (ok maybe I exaggerate but just a little)
about it.

So the person who asked the original question feels bad and apologizes.

And 5 people decide to tell her there's nothing to apologize for.

And 10 people dispute that...and...what next? Oh, right, and next I
feel an urge to write this idiotic meta-meta-meta-note.

I think psychologists have a term for this, "chaotic instability
disorder" or something like that.

Maybe what we need are NANOG GREETERS!

Hello, welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something? Hello,
welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something?...

-- 
-Barry Shein

The World  | [EMAIL PROTECTED]   | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD| Login: Nationwide
Software Tool & Die| Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Martin Hannigan]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Is this for real?
>
>  Someone asks a harmless question about setting up multiple default
>  routes, not about Barack Obama or whether the moon is made of green
>  cheese, but about default routes.
>
>  Then 10 people decide to respond that this isn't appropriate for nanog.
>
>  Then 25 people decide to dispute that.
>
>  Then 50 people are arguing (ok maybe I exaggerate but just a little)
>  about it.
>
>  So the person who asked the original question feels bad and apologizes.
>
>  And 5 people decide to tell her there's nothing to apologize for.
>
>  And 10 people dispute that...and...what next? Oh, right, and next I
>  feel an urge to write this idiotic meta-meta-meta-note.
>
>  I think psychologists have a term for this, "chaotic instability
>  disorder" or something like that.
>
>  Maybe what we need are NANOG GREETERS!
>
>  Hello, welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something? Hello,
>  welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something?...

Blue light special in slot 5? V6 only STM64's now half price!



I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
just for the clued.



Best,

Marty

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Scott McGrath]

If we do not help the newbies how will they ever become clued.   I can 
certainly remember when I did not know a bit from a byte.


Oh and btw I'll take 5 of those STM64's on special...

Regards all - Scott

Martin Hannigan wrote:

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 Is this for real?

 Someone asks a harmless question about setting up multiple default
 routes, not about Barack Obama or whether the moon is made of green
 cheese, but about default routes.

 Then 10 people decide to respond that this isn't appropriate for nanog.

 Then 25 people decide to dispute that.

 Then 50 people are arguing (ok maybe I exaggerate but just a little)
 about it.

 So the person who asked the original question feels bad and apologizes.

 And 5 people decide to tell her there's nothing to apologize for.

 And 10 people dispute that...and...what next? Oh, right, and next I
 feel an urge to write this idiotic meta-meta-meta-note.

 I think psychologists have a term for this, "chaotic instability
 disorder" or something like that.

 Maybe what we need are NANOG GREETERS!

 Hello, welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something? Hello,
 welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something?...



Blue light special in slot 5? V6 only STM64's now half price!



I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
just for the clued.



Best,

Marty
  

RE: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[andrew2]

Scott McGrath wrote:
> If we do not help the newbies how will they ever become clued.   I can
> certainly remember when I did not know a bit from a byte.

I agree, but I question if NANOG is the appropriate medium for such help.  I
tend to (maybe mistakenly) assume a working knowledge of basic multihoming
concepts is essentially a prerequisite for active participation on the NANOG
mailing list.  Isn't this akin to posting to a profesional mathematics forum
asking for help with your Algebra?  I know I read the list for high-level
discussions of the issues facing North American network operators, not for a
rehash of multihoming 101.  Certainly helping to educate newcomers can go a
long way towards making all of lives easier, but that seems outside the
scope of NANOG-L.  If NANOG isn't the appropriate forum for those types of
discussions, what is?  Where should we be referring people to have clue
bestowed upon them?

Is there a lack of alternatives out there for such discussion?  [vendor]-nsp
seems like a decent choice for questions such as the one that sparked this
discussion.  Inet-access used be a good place for finding that type of
information, but that list seems to be on life-support these days.  Would it
be appropriate for NANOG to start such a list?  (NANOG Lite?)  Would anyone
bother subscribing/participating?  Or are the available alternatives
sufficient?

Andrew Cruse

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:39 EDT, Martin Hannigan said:

> 
> 
> I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
> just for the clued.
> 
> 

And more to the point - if somebody manages to go through all the hoops needed
to ask a basic question on the NANOG list, it demonstrates a desire to
accumulate clue - so we should encourage those people.  I'll make the
prediction that in 5 years, the person who *started* this thread will be
substantially more clued than the lead network engineer at many AS's (you all
know the ones I mean - that AS that's 1 or 2 hops away from you that on a
weekly basis do something that makes you want to go and inject clue with a
baseball bat..)



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Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Scott McGrath]

I'll take that bet Valdis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:44:39 EDT, Martin Hannigan said:

  



I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
just for the clued.





And more to the point - if somebody manages to go through all the hoops needed
to ask a basic question on the NANOG list, it demonstrates a desire to
accumulate clue - so we should encourage those people.  I'll make the
prediction that in 5 years, the person who *started* this thread will be
substantially more clued than the lead network engineer at many AS's (you all
know the ones I mean - that AS that's 1 or 2 hops away from you that on a
weekly basis do something that makes you want to go and inject clue with a
baseball bat..)

  

I'm going to stay on the NANOG list anyway

[James R. Cutler]

Whoops!  I'm still coming to grips with multihoming.  According to  
your thinking, my many years on the NANOG mailing list were wrong and  
you tell me I should leave.


I don't think I can allow you to do that, Andrew.

Paul Vixie, Dillon, Bush, and others have given many examples of  
appropriate and concise direction giving to newby questioners.  Follow  
their lead, please.


Cutler

On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:15 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Scott McGrath wrote:
If we do not help the newbies how will they ever become clued.   I  
can

certainly remember when I did not know a bit from a byte.


I agree, but I question if NANOG is the appropriate medium for such  
help.  I
tend to (maybe mistakenly) assume a working knowledge of basic  
multihoming
concepts is essentially a prerequisite for active participation on  
the NANOG

mailing list.

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:15:06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

> mailing list.  Isn't this akin to posting to a profesional mathematics forum
> asking for help with your Algebra?

In 1943 he (Einstein) answered a little girl who had difficulties in school
with mathematics.
"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are
still greater. Best regards Professor Albert Einstein."

http://www.einstein-website.de/z_kids/letterskids.html



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Description: PGP signature

AS7018 (ATT) bgp contact needed

[Kevin Loch]

Could someone from AS7018 (AT&T) please contact me about a
route you are originating that is hijacking/blackholing traffic?

The route is:

66.235.248.0/22

- Kevin

Re: NXDOMAIN data needed for survey

[Martin Hannigan]

>
>  I think it's best that we let David Ulevitch and the crew @ OpenDNS make
>  the money that is to be made off this. He's doing good while doing well.

Why shouldn't anyone be able to "make the money"? The problem with
that post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking, it was that it's
a marketing missive and inconsistent with community norms, IMHO. That
doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly doesn't mean it's ok
for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit and one unknown not to.
Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data creates
unfairness in the system and it should be all or none.

What you really want to look at is privacy policy. Not all of the good
guys are actually good guys in that respect.

>
>  BTW: If someone legitimate needs NXDOMAIN data, I do have a bunch.
>

How much are you charging?

-M<

RE: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[andrew2]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:15:06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
>> mailing list.  Isn't this akin to posting to a profesional
>> mathematics forum asking for help with your Algebra?
> 
> In 1943 he (Einstein) answered a little girl who had difficulties in
> school with mathematics.
> "Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure
> you mine are still greater. Best regards Professor Albert Einstein."
> 
> http://www.einstein-website.de/z_kids/letterskids.html

That's cute Valdis, but did the little girl and Einstein force thousands of
people around the world to read their correspondence?  I whole-heartily
encourage and thank anyone willing to take the time to help the original
poster.  Off-list.

Andrew

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:59 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That's cute Valdis, but did the little girl and Einstein force thousands of
>  people around the world to read their correspondence?

  Suggestion: Before creating list rule about appropriate level of
expertise in questions, wait until volume of question traffic merits
such.  In my experience, easy questions sometimes even yield tips or
discussion useful to experts.

-- Ben

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Sena, Rich]

Can someone put this in a digest for me? 

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu 
Sent: Fri Mar 21 16:44:39 2008
Subject: Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant


On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Is this for real?
>
>  Someone asks a harmless question about setting up multiple default
>  routes, not about Barack Obama or whether the moon is made of green
>  cheese, but about default routes.
>
>  Then 10 people decide to respond that this isn't appropriate for
nanog.
>
>  Then 25 people decide to dispute that.
>
>  Then 50 people are arguing (ok maybe I exaggerate but just a little)
>  about it.
>
>  So the person who asked the original question feels bad and
apologizes.
>
>  And 5 people decide to tell her there's nothing to apologize for.
>
>  And 10 people dispute that...and...what next? Oh, right, and next I
>  feel an urge to write this idiotic meta-meta-meta-note.
>
>  I think psychologists have a term for this, "chaotic instability
>  disorder" or something like that.
>
>  Maybe what we need are NANOG GREETERS!
>
>  Hello, welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something? Hello,
>  welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something?...

Blue light special in slot 5? V6 only STM64's now half price!



I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
just for the clued.



Best,

Marty

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Peter J. Cherny]

At 04:20 AM 21/3/08, ann kok wrote:

ls it possible to have 2 default routes?
or how can I do the rebundant when the route is still
working either eth1 or eth2 down?


A google search for 
turns up lots of hints (mine included).

There are some variations using lo0 so that the route
is always available esp. in BSDs.


Though this is NANOG, I'd guess that many subscribers are
only familiar with using Cisco and Juniper boxen i.e. fully
fledged routers, for multihoming at the edge.
Some of us live at the edge, providing services and content
using Alteon/F5/BSD
We have often solved these issues WITHOUT using C or J
(other than for upstream connections).
Even with multi Gb connectivity, C & J are not essential !

RE: I'm going to stay on the NANOG list anyway

[Al Iverson]

Thanks for letting us know that we should update our kill files.

Al


-Original Message-
From: James R. Cutler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: March 21, 2008 4:39 PM
To: ?NANOG? Operators Group 3F_Operators_Group_ 
Subject: I'm going to stay on the NANOG list anyway

Whoops!  I'm still coming to grips with multihoming.  According to  
your thinking, my many years on the NANOG mailing list were wrong and  
you tell me I should leave.

I don't think I can allow you to do that, Andrew.

Paul Vixie, Dillon, Bush, and others have given many examples of  
appropriate and concise direction giving to newby questioners.  Follow  
their lead, please.

Cutler

On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:15 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott McGrath wrote:
>> If we do not help the newbies how will they ever become clued.   I  
>> can
>> certainly remember when I did not know a bit from a byte.
>
> I agree, but I question if NANOG is the appropriate medium for such  
> help.  I
> tend to (maybe mistakenly) assume a working knowledge of basic  
> multihoming
> concepts is essentially a prerequisite for active participation on  
> the NANOG
> mailing list.

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Paul Vixie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> And more to the point - if somebody manages to go through all the hoops
> needed to ask a basic question on the NANOG list, it demonstrates a
> desire to accumulate clue - so we should encourage those people.  ...

yes, please.  (i've not given up on accumulating clue some day.)
-- 
Paul Vixie

Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant

[Adrian Chadd]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008, Sena, Rich wrote:
> Can someone put this in a digest for me? 

I will, once the shit settles.




Adrian

> 
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu 
> Sent: Fri Mar 21 16:44:39 2008
> Subject: Re: default routes question or any way to do the rebundant
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Barry Shein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Is this for real?
> >
> >  Someone asks a harmless question about setting up multiple default
> >  routes, not about Barack Obama or whether the moon is made of green
> >  cheese, but about default routes.
> >
> >  Then 10 people decide to respond that this isn't appropriate for
> nanog.
> >
> >  Then 25 people decide to dispute that.
> >
> >  Then 50 people are arguing (ok maybe I exaggerate but just a little)
> >  about it.
> >
> >  So the person who asked the original question feels bad and
> apologizes.
> >
> >  And 5 people decide to tell her there's nothing to apologize for.
> >
> >  And 10 people dispute that...and...what next? Oh, right, and next I
> >  feel an urge to write this idiotic meta-meta-meta-note.
> >
> >  I think psychologists have a term for this, "chaotic instability
> >  disorder" or something like that.
> >
> >  Maybe what we need are NANOG GREETERS!
> >
> >  Hello, welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something? Hello,
> >  welcome to Nanog, can we help you find something?...
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> I dont think that there's any issue at all to be honest. NANOG isn't
> just for the clued.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Marty

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Re: default routes question or any way to do the redundant

[Randy Bush]

as a friend who reads this list but clearly wants to remain anonymous
pointed out



randy