Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-12 Thread James D. Butt



I certainly understand why utility power goes out and that is the reason 
why MCI loosing power confuses me.  I am pretty sure that someone at MCI 
also realizes why the blackout happens and how fragile things are.


It is irresponsible for a Tier 1 infrastructure provider to not be able to 
generate their own and have large chunks of their network fail do to the 
inability to power it. I bet you every SBC CO in the affected area was 
still pushing power out to customer prems.


Unless there is some sort of crazy story related to why a service provider 
could not keep the lights on, this should have not been an issue with 
proper operations and engineering.


JD


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Not sure I understand how on earth something like this happens... power

is

not that confusing to make sure it does not stop working.


Is that so?

Have you read the report on the Northeast blackout of 2003?
https://reports.energy.gov/

--Michael Dillon



RE: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-12 Thread James D. Butt




Yes that is an exception... not what happened in this case

You can come up with a lot of valid exceptions...

There are many reasons why a Tier 1 provider does not stick all its eggs 
in multi-tenant buildings... smart things can be done with site selection. 
I am not saying ever customer needs to keep their network like this... but 
the really bug guys at the core of their network yes.



JD


On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Geo. wrote:



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Unless there is some sort of crazy story related to why a service provider
could not keep the lights on, this should have not been an issue with
proper operations and engineering.


The building where one of our nodes sites got hit with an electrical fire in
the basement one day, the fire department shut off all electrical to the
whole building including the big diesel generators sitting outside the back
of the building so all we had was battery power until that ran out 6 hours
later.

How do you prepare for that?

Geo.

George Roettger
Netlink Services



Re: UUNET connectivity in Minneapolis, MN

2005-08-11 Thread James D. Butt



we had a loss of comercial power(coned) in the downers grove terminal.
terminal is up on generator power now.



that seems to map to the internal firedrill as well, anyone else hit by
this event?



Electric utility had a sub-station burn up. resulting in a medium-sized
geographic area without power -- something like 17,000 residences according
to news reports (no numbers on 'commercial' custeomrs provided).

ATT has a facility in the affected area, and were also without utility power.

Rumor mill says that Sprint had a (moderately small) number of T-3 circuits
affected, as well.



ATT must adhere to some diffrent engineering standards; as well devices we 
monitor there were all fine no blips... but all of the MCI customers we 
have in IL, MI, WI, MN all had issues...



Power went out at 4:30 ish and ckts all dumped about 8:30 pm...

Then bounced until 6:30 AM this morning.

Not sure I understand how on earth something like this happens... power is 
not that confusing to make sure it does not stop working.


JD