RE: Operational Issues with 69.0.0.0/8...
Title: RE: Operational Issues with 69.0.0.0/8... One would think that operators not updating filters to permit properly allocated space IS an operational issue. True, there are some non-operational facets to the issue, but that is not sufficient to call this off-topic... I can think of no better place than NANOG to say Hey, some of you still have not updated your filters, I still do not have the reachability I should have.. His problem is indicative of future problems to come as we expand the use of previously unallocated IPv4 space. If the community cannot solve his problem, what reachability assurance do we have on any future allocations out of spaces with a similar history? James H. Smith II NNCSE NNCDS Senior Systems Engineer First Call Response Center The Presidio Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Operational Issues with 69.0.0.0/8... My question is as follows - We are losing customers because of this problem. It is costing us reputation and money. It is out of our control. If you were us, what would you do? We have already asked ARIN to reassign us to a friendlier CIDR, and they refuse. This is no longer a technical operational issue so it is out of scope for this mailing list. But if you think that ARIN could do something to solve your problem then you should raise the issue on the ARIN public policy mailing list. You can find subscription information for that list here http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/index.html -- Michael Dillon
RE: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address
Title: RE: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address IIRC, the tanker used to refuel the SR-71 Blackbird had separate tanks for JP-4 (for itself) and JP-3 (for the Blackbird)... James H. Smith ex-SAC KC-135 fixer-upper -Original Message- From: Al Rowland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address Actually, there are different grades of jet fuel as well as diesel. JP4 is 'common' but JP3 also has the characteristic of extinguishing fires and requires an accelerant to ignite. It was used in SR-71s among others. Best regards, __ Al Rowland -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:28 AM To: Johannes Ullrich Cc: Sean Donelan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Diesel can even exstinguish flame in some cases. It is a much different anamal than aircraft fuel. There are concerns yes but not a good compairison. On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Johannes Ullrich wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/19/nyregion/19FUEL.html ... While almost everyone on this list knows which building is the subject of the article, we can discuss the issue without discussing the particular building. On-site fuel storage is one of those double-edge swords. The article is comparing the relatively 'inert' diesel fuel to the aircraft fuel that caused the devastation at the WTC. Did the authors of this article ever hear about heating oil tanks? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collaborative Intrusion Detection join http://www.dshield.org
RE: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org
Title: RE: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org -Original Message- From: Robert Blayzor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: RE: IETF SMTP Working Group Proposal at smtpng.org I'm not a company, I'm Joe Blow private citizen - do you expect me to pay $100 just to sign up with AOL? If you are Joe Blow private citizen, why would you need to run a mail server? Would you not use your ISP's, at least as a smart relay? Because he doesn't want to. He already provides POP3/SMTP services to me under his own domain name, and why should he change his servers to permit me to send mail as if from another domain where I do have a real mail account? I hate the free stuff (no POP3/SMTP unless you pay), I already have my own on another domain (for which I pay), and I don't want his (because I don't want to keep changing email addresses everytime they get bought out/sold). In short, because if I have to depend on my ISP for my convenience, it won't get done, unless it's done their way. I use it for outbound only, I pop my mail from my other provider... James H. Smith II Speaking for myself...
RE: WorldComm Fiber Cut????
Title: RE: WorldComm Fiber Cut Ah, but she didn't say she believed it. Just said where the data was... Do we really need to verify what it shows? At best, it shows that they have spotty reporting. At worst, it shows rather severe reliability problems. Take your pick... James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE First Call Response Center Professional Services - Network Engineer The Presidio Corporation -Original Message- From: Internet Guy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut HHHMMM... Very interesting. Someone who believes what a carrier really tells them. If you go to the MFN homepage click on the graphs listed below, then you might see that possibly the data being displayed is both inaccurate, as well as misleading. Go to SJC OC3 Los Angeles, to OC192 SJC3 to SJC4, to OC12 MaeW ATM, OC48 # 2 for IAD to NYR, IAD # 2 to PAIX VA OC48, DCA2 to DFW2 OC48, PAIX OC12 to Core1.sjc, NPA - DS3 to San Jose, LGA1 OC192#2 to IAD, LGA1 OC48 to Chicago, NYC Backbone OC192 to LGA2, NYC Backbone OC48 # 2 to core3.lga1, ETC... Each one of these graphs shows abnormalities in the flow of internet data, such as pits, spikes, square wave function graphs, clipping on some waveforms, etc. This is not limited to MFN. I have observed this on other similiar types of Sundry network data collection systems. It is not easy to see HOW BAD the problem is with these Sundry data collection systems, UNTIL you expand the MRTG graph. Once this is done, then you can really see how bad the integrity of the collected data really is. A small MRTG graph really masks the problems associated with the data which is being displayed. With a larger graph, you definately see the problems associated with todays Sundry systems. As there is no way to really verify the QUALITY or INTEGRITY of the data being displayed, then I submit as fact, that what is being shown here is really in a grey area, at best. So who really knows how correct, the data which is being displayed on the MFN home page is really is ? Cause with the clipping, spiking, pits, squarewave graphs, small graphing scale being shown, definately, I have my doubts ... One would also wonder, that if this data collection system is used by MFN to generate bills for customers of MFN who are charged by the Megabyte, what these customers bills look like HOW accurate these bills really are... Regards, Mike Martin. From: Pawlukiewicz Jane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:52:18 -0400 MFNs status page is: http://www.mfn.com/network/ip_networkstatus.shtm#sjc Jane Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Gerardo A. Gregory wrote: Can someone from WorldComm please verify a fiber cut that happened today at around 11:30 am (Central). I have bveen informed that a fiber cut in Illinois (or Indiana) has been in effect (until just a few minutes) for all of the afternoon and most of the evening. Worldcom is reporting a problems near Chicago. Earthlink is reporting problems affecting its customers in Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio. http://help.mindspring.com/netstatus/ http://www.noc.uu.net/ Cable Wireless is showing delays out of Cleveland, Ohio http://sla.cw.net/ ATT and Sprint aren't reporting any problems. http://ipnetwork.bgtmo.ip.att.net/index.html http://www.sprint.net/ MFN's and PSI's network status pages have stopped working for me, so I don't know if they are having problems. http://www.above.net/html/techlog.txt http://www.psi.net/cgi-bin/netstatus.pl5 _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
RE: How important is IM? was RE: How important is the PSTN
Title: RE: How important is IM? was RE: How important is the PSTN -Original Message- From: Christopher J. Wolff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How important is IM? was RE: How important is the PSTN So my question for the group is, do chat programs (IM, IRC, yahoo) serve a substantial network support purpose or are they more of a distraction, allowing staff to communicate with friends, relatives, drifters, interlopers on company time? Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories http://www.bblabs.com It also allows other employees to ask/answer quick questions, have an impromptu engineering con-call (with hard copy!) without having to get someone to approve the cost, provide a support channel for customers (ever try to talk a dyslexic through a command line config? cut-paste is your friend...), and several other things that we find useful. In fact, every engineer in the company is told to get a hotmail account and load MSN Messenger when they come on board. IMHO, abuse of company resources should be handled in HR, not IT. Tools don't waste time, people waste time... James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE First Call Response Center Professional Services - Network Engineer The Presidio Corporation
Effects of de-peering... (was RE: ratios)
Title: Effects of de-peering... (was RE: ratios) I apologize in advance, I'm a total newbie...so what did you have to do? Build resilience into his single homed, single point of failure non-redundant network. Steve = Maybe it is possible he made a business decision based on the long term costs involved with multihoming/redundancy vs. the loss of near total reachability. He may have come to the conclusion that the probability of that scenario occuring was not sufficient reason to multihome. His call. I think we all assume that our provider guarantees us some sort of total reachability. Near as I can figure, they do not. Therefore, you buy a pipe into their network based on percieved and actual connectivity and hope that the situation remains static at best. Does ANY provider give a reachability guarantee? James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE Systems Engineer The Presidio Corporation So I'm top posting. Sue me.
RE: Effects of de-peering... (was RE: ratios)
Title: RE: Effects of de-peering... (was RE: ratios) -Original Message- From: E.B. Dreger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Effects of de-peering... (was RE: ratios) snip H maybe there should be a list of peering policies site a la Jared's NOC page. == Interesting idea. Include verifiable user comments as to what the policy actually is as exemplified by actual practice vs. what they say it is (or should be)... James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE Systems Engineer The Presidio Corporation
RE: Help with bad announcement from UUnet
Title: RE: Help with bad announcement from UUnet I would generally agree that non-paying customers should not get top-shelf service, but when it is someone with clue calling (your people should be able to tell, they should be clueful to a degree) about an issue that is being sourced from your network, or transits your network, is it not an issue that you should be involved in anyway? Why wait for the call from your upstream when you can get a jump on the problem? James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE Systems Engineer The Presidio Corporation Yeah, I know, top-posting is frowned upon. I have other bad habits... -Original Message- From: fingers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:51 AM To: Leo Bicknell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Help with bad announcement from UUnet Hi Note that in both cases, b0rken-noc takes a single call, so their load is unchanged. The second case adds a call to both my-upstream-noc, and b0rken-noc-upstream-noc. It would seem going direct would put a lower load on NOC's in general, which presumably would let them spend more time on problems and provide better service. surely a noc's first responsability is to direct customers? even if the other network experiencing the problem may affect said customer, the service is not just about connectivity, but also about trying to deal with calls in the best possible manner. if more time were spent on non-customers, a paying customer would end up losing out on that warm fuzzy feeling when his call is answered promptly, the person he speaks to actually listens, and his general experience interacting with the noc is something he doesn't walk away from feeling cheated. Regards --Rob
RE: How to get better security people
Title: RE: How to get better security people -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get better security people | The problem right now is if you advertise for a job, you will get | blasted with literally tens of thousands of resumes. What should I | be telling the HR department to look for? New careers. Sean. = That's the problem. Too many folks seeing the big money going to the tech weenies, and upon taking an MCSE boot camp, think they now qualify for a senior Admin/Security job. That and resume inflation, real or percieved. Too much noise in the system and inefective noise reduction methods... My resume is factual, and when I got out of the military, I was penalized by my first civilian employer. When I stated I could in fact set up a needed DNS, I was told they would hire it out. I asked why hire it out when I could do it. I was told, we only believe half of any resume we get, and we don't think that you have the necessary experience. If setting up and running deleted.af.mil (now gone), and doing the very first deleted.af.mil DNS located on the base (complete with off-site secondaries), and running it until transitioned about a year later to the comm squadron folks I trained didn't count, then what did? Not bitter, though. Got a new employer... James H. Smith II NNCDS NNCSE Systems Engineer The Presidio Corporation
