Cross Posting and List Development

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Afternoon,

I would like to request caution when cross posting between nanog@ and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please keep discussions related to "future ideas" for the list on
nanog-futures.  If we decide to solicit opinions on ideas that come out of
the futures list, we will introduce a new thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To Reiterate, please take all "developmental ideas" to the nanog-futures
list.  This list is reserved for operationally related content.

Please see the list AUP.

1   Discussion focuses on Internet operational and technical
issues as described in the charter 
of NANOG.

The nanog-futures list is an open list, please feel free to subscribe.

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

RE: Sprint LD routing affected by Katrina?

[Malayter, Christopher]

Sprint LD is seriously affected in Northern Florida, Alabama, and
Mississippi from what we have seen.

Regards,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644


-Original Message-
From: Jon Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sprint LD routing affected by Katrina?



I've encountered several toll free numbers (like the BellSouth DSG) which 
can no longer be dialed from Gainesville, FL roughly coinciding with 
Katrina slamming the Gulf Coast.  I finally called BellSouth (the local 
ILEC) and asked what was up, as I can't get through from Gainesville, but 
I can if I use our VOIP network to route the calls out through other 
cities in FL (or if I use my Cingular cell phone).

According to BellSouth repair, it's a Sprint call routing problem.  I 
found it amusing and unlikely that BellSouth's DSG would use Sprint for 
their phone lines.

Is anyone aware of Sprint having LD voice routing issues, probably a 
result of Katrina damage?

--
  Jon Lewis   |  I route
  Senior Network Engineer |  therefore you are
  Atlantic Net| 
_ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_

CESM over IP vendor recommendations

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Morning,

I am looking for recommendations for CESM over IP devices, in particular,
for carrying T1 traffic.

Please contact me off-list.

I will summarize all off-list responses if there is interest.

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

[Administrivia]: Please end this Thread: RE: "Cisco gate" and "Me et the Fed" at Defcon....

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Morning,

Perhaps Susan was not clear enough yesterday.  The mailing list
administrative committee would request that you allow this thread to stop.
It has certainly outlived its operational usefulness.  I am now reiterating
that request.

Regards,

Chris Malayter
NANOG Mailing List Administration Team

> -Original Message-
> From: Geo. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:10 PM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: "Cisco gate" and "Meet the Fed" at Defcon
> 
> 
> 
> >> ok so your issue is totally irrelvant to the recent "ciscogate" 
> >> paranoia?
> 
> That would depend on what other exploits cisco has slipstream 
> patched wouldn't it? (honest question as I don't know but it 
> would be nice if cisco would clarify the situation)
> 
> Geo.
> 
> George Roettger
> Netlink Services
> 

Equinix Chicago Power Outage

[Malayter, Christopher]

Does anyone have any information as to what is going on at Equinix Chicago,
other than a power vault a few blocks away catching fire.

ERC has no information, we've had both AC and DC systems fail there.

Any information is appreciated.

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

Changes to the Nanog Mailing List Administration Team

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Afternoon,

It is my pleasure to announce that Robert Seastrom will be joining the Nanog
Mailing List Administration Team.  He joins us as Martin Hannigan departs
the list team.

A bit about Robert,

   Robert Seastrom is a freelance consultant specializing in supporting
   production and testbed IP networks. He was a cofounder and former
   president of the Cambridge Bandwidth Consortium, a cooperative ISP in
   Cambridge, Massachusetts. Previously, Robert was the Director of
   Network Architecture at Inter.Net Global Ltd. Robert has also held
   positions at Akamai Technologies, AboveNet Communications, and Digex,
   and built pioneering ISPs in Japan and the Republic of Georgia.

With the departure of Martin from the team, the position of chair has been
vacated.  I have been selected to assume the chair of the list
administration team.

As always we appreciate feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

IX Panel for Seattle

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Morning Nanog!

I am looking for IX Operators of small to medium size, or that of regional
scope of interest, or perhaps a naps offering unusual services to present at
NANOG-SEA.  

After Las Vegas, I'm looking for a change of direction to get some new blood
in.

Smaller, perhaps member based, or not.

Please email me with your interest.

I need emails in the next 3-5 days with slides 3-5 days after.

Thanks!

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

RE: cost of doing business (was:Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent)

[Malayter, Christopher]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:55 PM
> To: Randy Bush
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: cost of doing business (was:Re: OpenTransit 
> (france telecom) depeers cogent)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
> 
> > fwiw, 100mb to the home costs about that in japan
> 
> Well, I dont really see the average home actually using
> 100meg all the 
> time in the near future, thus my 5 meg utilization average estimate. 
> Access could be whatever speed of course, access speed not 
> used doesn't 
> cost very much.

I think you're very wrong here.  For packet delivery of video based
services, I could see a home using 100mb/s between voice, video, and data
within the next 12-24 months.  All of the product roadmaps I've been looking
at contain "How to get 100mb/s to the home", "How do we push BRAS/Multicast
deployment closer to the edge", "What is the roadmap for converged services
past triple play?"

Regards,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

RE: djbdns: An alternative to BIND

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Evening,

As an FYI the mailing list administrators have been contacting users
individually letting them know they have been off-topic.  

We're not connecting this with any warnings etc..   We have been working
through the day to get the off-topic posts down in volume on a case-by-case
basis.

This has been done to allow the operational aspect of the thread to
continue, while attempting to remove the personal attacks.

Please, if you have a complaint and you would like the list administrators
to attend to it please direct it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

Chris Malayter
Nanog List Administration Team
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644




-Original Message-
From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:32 PM
To: Dean Anderson
Cc: Kevin Oberman; william(at)elan.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND



On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 17:30 -0400, Dean Anderson wrote:
> As long as we are getting history out, It was moving towards death as 
> a _result_ of Vixie involvment from 1987-1994. I knocked heads with 
> Vixie around 1989/91 several times

"knocked" implies past tense.  I'd say that you are still exhibiting that
behavior.

Give it a break guys, even I'm tiring of this.  Moderators???

-Jim P.

RE: "Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good afternoon,

The NANOG list is not an appropriate place for speculative critiques of the
business models of individual 
companies.

Furthermore, this thread has gone completely off topic.  Please take it
off-list.

For the nanog list administrators,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644


-Original Message-
From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:51 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: "Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com




>
>
> For those that don't know... I am now the COO of UnitedLayer.  It
> sounds like, since I am not going to pay the "extortion" fee to 
> Bandwidth Advisors, that their consultants won't know about our 
> pricing and services.  Even if I did pay the fee, that means that 
> their clients can't get the best deal as I need to raise my fees to 
> client to cover the "small residual payment" going to "Bandwidth 
> Advisors".
>
> Tim

Tim,

Your completely free to hire your own sales people and advertising 
agency - if they do a good enough job you won't need someone like 
"Bandwidth Advisors".Of course those people are going to want some 
money - and nearly all sales people work on some type of base + 
commission basis.  It's up to you to decide what is less expensive and 
better for you.   Either one is going to cost you something.   Sitting 
around waiting for people to come to you can also be pretty expensive if 
you have any kind of fixed expenses.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

RE: The Cidr Report

[Malayter, Christopher]

I noticed a large jump in prefixes from 4323 this week as well. 

-Chris

-Original Message-
From: Philip Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:00 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: The Cidr Report



Frotzler, Florian said the following on 11/02/2005 21:31:
>>Recent Table History
>>Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
>>04-02-05151613  103143
>>05-02-05152142  103736
>>06-02-05152231  103721
>>07-02-05152353  103830
>>08-02-05152514  103966
>>09-02-05153855  104090
>>10-02-05154283  104246
>>11-02-05154341  104240
> 
> ~ +3000 routes in one week? Anyone else frightened by this?

Yup.

 From my own Routing Report (due out in a couple of hours), a quick 
glance shows that the vast majority of the increase comes from ASNs 
assigned by ARIN (the ASNs from the other three registry regions show 
minimal increase in announcements).

Most seem to come from AS4323. Today they are announcing 2606 prefixes, 
a week ago they were announcing 844 prefixes.

philip
--

RE: Sunday Night NANOG Community Input Agenda (update)

[Malayter, Christopher]

Good Evening,

The conference will be IRC cast on EFNet #nanog-reform.

Joe Provo will be the man at the keyboard.

We will do our best to pass remote questions to the mic.


-Chris


-Original Message-
From: Jared Mauch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:20 AM
To: Joel Jaeggli
Cc: Dave Crocker; Hannigan, Martin; 'nanog@merit.edu'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: Sunday Night NANOG Community Input Agenda (update)



On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:11:32PM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
> 
>   I'll post info on the bridge once we test it.
> 
>   there will be inoc-dba and pstn accessible information posted.
> 
>   codecs are limited to g711ulaw and g711alaw as i've not
> got 729 licenses.
> 
>   we'll be testing in ~1 hr once the room is free i think.


Ok,

here's the info:

INOC-DBA: 2914*0
PSTN: +1 214 413 1115
+1 408 263 1066

Once you call in, enter extension 4500

This is just a copy of the mp3 stream as we weren't
able to connect directly in to the audio infra.

- jared

-- 
Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
clue++;  | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.

IXP Panel - NANOG Las Vegas

[Malayter, Christopher]

Hello,

As Susan has just mentioned, I will be moderating the IXP Panel at Las
Vegas.

I am interested in volunteers from IXP's to serve on the panel.

Please contact me off-list if you are interested.

Thanks!

-Chris



-Original Message-
From: Susan Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Agenda redux



Many thanks to Chris Malayter, who's kindly volunteered to moderate our IXP
panel in Las Vegas.  The General Session will now run until ~1:00 p.m.
Tuesday afternoon, and Chris will be sending a message to the list shortly.

RE: Agenda so far for NANOG33

[Malayter, Christopher]

Susan,

I think the NANOG community as a whole is looking for more information to be
put out ahead of time regarding this event.

The information requested from Alex's post today is what we are most after:

Regarding http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0501/coordination.html -- can someone 
comment on who will from MERIT/NANOG will be present, and what the 
moderation will be? What is the intended agenda for this meeting? 

In addition to that:

Also, what are the expected outcomes of this meeting?

Answers to these questions will help your community best make traveling and
scheduling arrangements.

Thanks,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Data Network Engineering
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644





-Original Message-
From: Susan Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:17 PM
To: Joe Provo
Cc: nanog@merit.edu; Betty Burke
Subject: Re: Agenda so far for NANOG33



> Looking at the current agenda, there's a "Special Community Meeting" 
> Sunday evening after the tutorials, but with no details posted.  
> Should we expected any so that attendees flying in can determine if 
> they should skip dinner to make it?

Thanks for the nudge, Joe.  There are details here:

http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0501/coordination.html

And what it says is:
---
Coordinating NANOG: Input From the Community

  All Las Vegas meeting attendees are invited to attend this special
  meeting, where we'll discuss NANOG coordination issues recently raised
  by the community. Our agenda will include:

1. Merit's role in coordinating NANOG
2. How the Program Committee reviews proposals and selects presentations
3. Community concerns about the NANOG email list.
-

Hope everyone can join us!

People being removed from the list and such

[Malayter, Christopher]

It has come to my attention that recently several people have been censored
from posting to the nanog@ list.

I find it a bit unusual that from such an open discussion list that
membership would be censored without notice and reason to the rest of the
membership.

I wouldn't normally be the one to post this, but the people who have been
censored in some cases I believe to be extremely valuable people to the
list.

My question is this: When people are removed/censored, be it temporary or
permanent, could we have a notice posted to the membership as to the person,
reason, and duration?

Also, I realize that this sounds odd, could we add an appeals process?  The
idea of a single person with unilateral control over such a group, without
taking into consideration the needs and desires of the group, does not seem
fair.  I believe that there is need for recourse in this community for a
person who is  removed or censored unfairly.  

Regards,

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Network Management and Operations
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (608) 664-4878
FAX:(608) 664-4644

RE: Juniper failes to change keys (More MD5 fun: Cisco uses wrong MD5key for old session after key change)

[Malayter, Christopher]

I agree here.  If we can roll new md5 keys without session resets I am all
for it.  I believe Juniper needs to fix their implementation.  Especially
with md5 rolling out network wide for quite a few networks.  If an employee
leaves and we have to reset the md5 passwords for the entire network with a
hybrid of Juniper and Ciscos, I would love to not have to bounce all of my
sessions.  I think your best bet is to call JTAC and ask for a feature
request.

-Chris



-Original Message-
From: Sean Donelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Juniper failes to change keys (More MD5 fun: Cisco uses
wrong MD5key for old session after key change)



On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But as long as the session *is* reset anyway, the current situation is
> extremely confusing - the log messages (on both Cisco and Juniper) give
> no indication that the invalid key in question is for an *old* BGP
> session, no longer active!

That's why I hope Juniper will fix their implementation not to reset
the session and to stop using an old key.  Once the key is changed, all
new packets (including new packets for old sessions) should use the new
key, not the old key.

You think the bug is on Cisco's side, I think the bug is on Juniper's
side.  Hence interoperability.

Sup2/MSFC2 Working netflow config for hybrid

[Malayter, Christopher]

Hello All,

I am looking for a valid working configuration example to do NDEv1 off a
6509 SUP2/MSFC2 running in hybrid mode.

Any assistance offline would be great.

-Chris

RE: Anyone alive at ep.net

[Malayter, Christopher]

For the record, that is simply NOT true:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: December 30, 2003 11:30:57 AM CST
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: nota.dal.net  REGISTRATION TYPE (N)ew (M)odify (D)elete..:N 
> Site for connection: NOTA
>

It was requested in 12/30/2003.

Well past the 96 hour window.

-Chris



-Original Message-
From: bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anyone alive at ep.net


> -Original Message-
> From: bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Anyone alive at ep.net
> 
> 
> > I've been awaiting allocation of an IP from an IX that is allocated by
> > ep.net.
> > 
> > I've been recieving connection refused form the mailserver from several
> > domains for over a week.
> 
> --bill

Ok for the NANOG folks.
We found Christopher's request in the "questionable" spool, it 
was submitted less than 48 hours ago.  The EP.NET turn time is
listed at 96 hours.  

The gyrations on the EP.NET end are due to:
- office relo
- software upgrades (new OS)
- spam mitigation processes

His request will be processed in the normal window.  There are
still some issues w/ procmail/spamassasin tuning.

--bill

RE: Anyone alive at ep.net

[Malayter, Christopher]

Bill,

-I emailed both email addresses listed on the ep.net website contact
information.
  -I have not as of this email received a response to my request or that
email from you
  -Jeff's email bounces since it's an @ep.net and that seems to be rejecting
all mail from both tdstelecom.com and fdfnet.net

-I see no fax/phone contact information listed on the ep.net website. If you
provide them, I will use them.

-The webpage the IX gave me to register for IP space contained no phone/fax
contact information.

-I attempted to contact your INOC-DBA line, it was not active.

So yes, really.

Could you please provide me with what we are missing to receive allocation.

Thanks,

-Chris



-Original Message-
From: bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anyone alive at ep.net


> 
> 
> I've been awaiting allocation of an IP from an IX that is allocated by
> ep.net.
> 
> I've been recieving connection refused form the mailserver from several
> domains for over a week.

really?  have you tried any other contact methods to get 
feedback from ep.net?  telephone?  fax? non-broadcast email?

> If anyone from ep.net could email me with our allocation request, thanks
are
> in order.

not enough information presented to act on your request.
> 
> Thanks ahead of time,
> 
> -Chris


--bill

RE: Anyone alive at ep.net

[Malayter, Christopher]

ep.net is the neutral IP allocation agency for a significant number of
exchanges world wide.  We have our own IP space, however, we require an IP
on the IX so we can peer with other neighbors on the exchange, like Bill
said!

-Chris



-Original Message-
From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:49 AM
To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Anyone alive at ep.net


  On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote:
> > I've been awaiting allocation of an IP from an IX that is allocated
by
> > ep.net.
>   why not get an allocation for IX from ARIN/RIPE?

Because then he wouldn't be able to use it to communicate with anyone else
at the exchange, since they'd all be in the ep.net subnet, and he'd be in
a different subnet.

-Bill

Anyone alive at ep.net

[Malayter, Christopher]

I've been awaiting allocation of an IP from an IX that is allocated by
ep.net.

I've been recieving connection refused form the mailserver from several
domains for over a week.

If anyone from ep.net could email me with our allocation request, thanks are
in order.


Thanks ahead of time,

-Chris

NANOG and Pre NANOG social Events

[Malayter, Christopher]

Hello Everyone,

Social Events are as follows:

Saturday Night:

House of Blues for a concert featuring Soulive with Me'Shell Ndegeocello

http://www.hob.com/tickets/eventdetail.asp?eventid=22654

The doors open at 7:30, so we'll meet in the Hotel Lobby at 6:30pm and
either cab or walk over together depending on the weather.

I urge you to get your tickets ahead of time.

After the show we have a few bars in mind to head to that we'll take a poll
of those that are at the show to see what everyone is looking for!  If you
don't want to go to the show, but still want to drink with a few
Wisconsinites, drop me your cell number and I will call you to let you know
where we are going.  I would anticipate the show being over between 10:30
and 11pm.


Sunday Night:

Navy Pier IMAX runs shows of the Matrix Reloaded every night at 8:15pm.

We will meet in the lobby of the Hotel at 5:00 for dinner.  Dinner will be
at Gino's East for some authentic Chicago style pizza.  If you don't like
the thick crust, don't worry they have thin!   

http://featuredfoods.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/a-store/c-GinoAns_East.shtml
?E+scstore+ginos

The location is at Wells and Ontario.

Then, for those of you who might want to duck out of the evening tutorial,
we'll meet in the hotel lobby at 7pm and head to Navy Pier to catch the 8:15
showing of the Matrix Reloaded!!  Again, I urge you to get your tickets
ahead of time.

http://www.imax.com/chicago/

After the show, we'll meet at Bubba Gumps Shrimp Company to gather the
company and head out on the town.  If you're worried about not finding a few
fellow network geeks at a bar, just drop me your cell number and I'll be
sure to announce our arrival at the Shrimp Company!

http://www.bubbagump.com/html/chicago.html

If you have any questions, comments, suggestions.  Please let me know ASAP.

Thanks to everyone for their overwhelming support and interest in doing
social events!!!  Also, thanks to many people for their suggestions!

Chris Malayter

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TDS Telecom

Pre/During NANOG Social Events!?

[Malayter, Christopher]

Hello All,

Lacking Ren and MDR for planning this NANOG, Ren asked myself and David Koch
to hook up some unofficial events.

We have a few ideas and are wondering if anyone would be interested in the
following dates/times.  Once we get a feel of when people are interested in
doing things, we'll post some ideas and go from there.  Please respond back
to me off-list.

Satuday October 18th. Night
Sunday October 19th.  After the sessions

Thanks!

Chris Malayter
TDS Telecom - Network Services
Advanced Data Network Support
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

RE: Big power outage in Ontario ?

[Malayter, Christopher]

The power outages in the North East US, also go into canada as far in as
Toronto and Ottawa from what US news sources are reporting.

-Chris

-Original Message-
From: Mike Tancsa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Big power outage in Ontario ?





Anyone know whats up with the big power outage in Ontario  Canada ?

---Mike

AS-Tree Utility

[Malayter, Christopher]

Hello All,

I'm curious if anyone could point me to a utility for AS-Tree mapping from a
routing table output?  I searched the archive a bit, and didn't find
anything. 

Thanks ahead!

-Chris/AS4181

RE: Mailing list for AADS participants

[Malayter, Christopher]

Even more sad,

The product manager for AADS does not return phone calls, even after
multiple calls and voicemails. 

-Chris/AS4181

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bartig
To: John Kristoff
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/26/03 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Mailing list for AADS participants


On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 06:12:21PM -0500, John Kristoff wrote:
> Regardless of what many of you may think of AADS generally, are
> there people who would be interested in joining an AADS mailing
> list, primarily to be used for broadcasting downtime notices or
> for discussing Chicago NAP specific issues.
> 
> Perhaps a mailing list for other specific exchanges may be in
> order also and I'll entertain hosting those as well, but I'm
> presently interested in AADS since that is where we are at.
> 
> Please reply offline.  If there appears to be enough interest
> I'll setup the list and make a single announcement here.  Please
> pass this on to others as appropriate.

People still use the AADS NAP?  :-(  All of the departures are
getting frustrating, especially after we upgraded our full OC-3
to an OC-12.  All our big peers went bankrupt or depeered with
us after that.

Sure, I would like to join this type of list.  It is too bad
that SBC doesn't already run a list like this or make any
effort to promote peering at the NAP.  Have you gotten any
other interest in it?

Jeff

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(608) 262-8336   |  Network Services/WAN Engineering

RE: Cidera shuts down

[Malayter, Christopher]

Ditto for TDS -- If you peer with us somewhere, I'll get you in touch with
our news admins.

-Chris

-Original Message-
From: Alex Rubenstein
To: Ringdahl, Dwight (WebUseNet)
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 2/26/03 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Cidera shuts down



Ditto -- if you peer with us somewhere, we'll get you a feed.



On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Ringdahl, Dwight (WebUseNet) wrote:

>
> Yes I just heard this from Doug too, if anyone need a quick fix for
usenet
> feeds, email me directly. I'll set you up and help you til we can come
up
> with a business solution.
>
> Dwight
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeffrey Wheat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cidera shuts down
>
>
> Just received this from Cidera:
>
> "We regret to inform you that Cidera has discontinued its netnews and
> caching services effective immediately.
>
> We wished to provide you with more advanced notification of this
termination
> of service, but unfortunately we were not able to do so.
>
> The current economic situation has been difficult for us and for our
> customers, and we wish all of you the best of luck and good fortune
with
> your businesses. Everyone at Cidera feels it has been a privilege to
serve
> you."
>
>
>
>
> I am now in need of obtaining a new source for news that is satellite
based.
> Can anyone offer any suggestions
> and or recommendations? All information is appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
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RE: Bad bad routing problems?

[Malayter, Christopher]

I'm not receiving that network at all.

I looked at our border to sprint, genuity, c&w, PSI, and our AADS peers.

Sorry to not be of more assistance.

-Chris


-Original Message-
From: Mike Tancsa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:14 AM
To: Gerald
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bad bad routing problems?




Strange, from my network I see you via GT and via Telus but not via AT&T

 From me (as11647)
BGP routing table entry for 216.223.192.0/19
Paths: (2 available, best #2, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
   Not advertised to any peer
   852 174 8001 4276
 209.115.141.1 from 209.115.141.1 (209.115.137.196)
   Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external
   Last update: Sat Aug 31 08:47:55 2002

   6539 8001 4276
 64.7.143.42 from 64.7.143.42 (64.7.143.42)
   Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, internal, best
   Community: 6539:30
   Last update: Sat Aug 31 08:47:30 2002


 From the AT&T CANADA routeserver  (route-server.east.attcanada.com)
AT&T route server
route-server.east>show ip bgp 216.223.192.0/19
% Network not in table
route-server.east>

AT&T Canada gets to 8001 via Williams, but I dont see your /19 through them.

route-server.east>show ip bgp regex _8001_
BGP table version is 2266132, local router ID is 216.191.65.118
Status codes: s suppressed, d damped, h history, * valid, > best, i -
internal
Origin codes: i - IGP, e - EGP, ? - incomplete

Network  Next HopMetric LocPrf Weight Path
*>i12.129.128.0/24  216.191.64.253 80  0 7911 8001 22420
i
*>i63.74.146.0/23   216.191.64.253 80  0 7911 8001 23368
i


At 10:54 AM 8/31/2002 -0400, Gerald wrote:

>We are seeing bad routing problems from outside our network. Can anyone
>corroborate this or help?
>
>We are on AS4276 and all traffic from us to our upstream seems good. Great
>way to spend holiday weekend. /me wonders if anyone is even awake on the
>NANOG list. :-)
>
>2 addresses in our network I've tested with are:
>
>216.223.200.14
>and 216.223.192.68
>
>Many many traces done, some interesting ones below:
>
>Here is a succesful traceroute:
>traceroute to 216.223.200.14 (216.223.200.14), 30 hops max, 40 byte
>   1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  rt1.altair7.com [209.11.155.129]
>   2   <10 ms15 ms16 ms  209.10.41.130
>   3   <10 ms16 ms15 ms  ge-6-1-0.core1.sjc1.globix.net
[209.10.2.193]
>   4   <10 ms16 ms16 ms  so-4-2-0.core1.sjc4.globix.net 
> [209.10.11.221]
>   563 ms46 ms47 ms  so-1-0-0.core2.cgx2.globix.net 
> [209.10.10.150]
>   662 ms63 ms47 ms  so-0-0-0.core1.cgx2.globix.net 
> [209.10.10.157]
>   778 ms94 ms94 ms  so-1-0-0.core2.nyc8.globix.net 
> [209.10.10.162]
>   878 ms94 ms94 ms  pos15-0.core2.nyc1.globix.net
[209.10.11.169]
>   978 ms94 ms94 ms  s5-0-peer1.nyc3.globix.net [209.10.12.18]
>  1078 ms94 ms94 ms  nyiix.peer.nac.net [198.32.160.20]
>  1178 ms94 ms93 ms  internetchannel.customer.nac.net 
> [209.123.10.34]
>  1278 ms94 ms94 ms  auth-2.inch.com [216.223.200.14]
>
> > These show failures before reaching our network:
> >
> > traceroute to 216.223.192.68 (216.223.192.68): 1-30 hops, 38 byte
packets
> >  1  paleagw4.hpl.external.hp.com (192.6.19.2)  1.95 ms  1.95 ms  5.86 ms
> >  2  palgwb01-vbblpa.americas.hp.net (15.243.170.49)  0.976 ms  0.977 ms
> > 0.976 ms
> >  3  svl-edge-15.inet.qwest.net (65.115.64.25)  0.976 ms !H  *  0.977 ms
!H
> >  4  * * *
> >  5  * * *
> >
> >
> >
> > traceroute to 216.223.192.68 (216.223.192.68), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > packets
> >  1  e3-13.foundry1.cs.wisc.edu (198.133.224.116)  2.195 ms  1.754 ms
> > 1.663 ms
> >  2  e15.extreme1.cs.wisc.edu (128.105.1.1)  0.856 ms  0.765 ms  0.737 ms
> >  3  144.92.128.194 (144.92.128.194)  1.550 ms  1.171 ms  1.264 ms
> >  4  * * *
> >  5  * * *
> >
> > All global crossing traces seem to loop within their router:
> > traceroute to 216.223.192.68 (216.223.192.68), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > 1 64.214.13.1 (64.214.13.1) 0.695 ms 0.889 ms 0.485 ms 0.453 ms 0.350 ms
> > 2 64.214.13.1 (64.214.13.1) 4.535 ms !N ms * ms 0.574 ms !N ms
> > 3 * (64.214.13.1) 64.214.13.1 ms 0.408 ms !N ms * ms 0.425 ms
> > 4 64.214.13.1 (64.214.13.1) 0.741 ms !N ms * ms 0.542 ms !N ms
> >
> > traceroute to 216.223.200.14 (216.223.200.14), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> >  1  ROUTER6.VINEYARD.NET (204.17.195.236)  0.401 ms  0.342 ms  0.325 ms
> >  2  bos-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (65.115.97.141)  7.249 ms  7.089 ms
6.943
> > ms
> >  3  * * *
> >  4  * * bos-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (65.115.97.141)  9.885 ms !H
> >  5  * * *
> >  6  * * *
> >  7  bos-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (65.115.97.141)  7.330 ms !H * *
> >  8  * * *
> >  9  * * *
> > 10  * * *
> > 11  * * *
> > 12  * * *
> > 13  * * *
> > 14  * * *
> > 15  * bos-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (65.115.97.141)  7.021 ms !H *
> > 16  * bos-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (65.115.97.141)  172.856 ms !H *
> > 17  * * *
> > 18  * * *