RE: Certification or College degrees? Was: RE: list problems?

[Pistone, Mike]

Not to toot the horn of my Alma Mater too much, but Ohio University's
Communication Systems Management program (www.csm.ohiou.edu) is also along
the lines of a network engineering degree.  It also focus on other aspects
of the industry (regulation, comm theory, security, etc) but they all sort
of flow together.  They were just getting into more hands on networking labs
when I graduated, I am sure they have greatly improved since then.

Mike


-Original Message-
From: John Kristoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Certification or College degrees? Was: RE: list problems?



On Wed, 22 May 2002 16:40:27 -0400
Kristian P. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 network engineers, just as a bunch of network engineers are no more
 qualified to program. Perhaps a bachelors in network engineering is in
 order?

We actually have that - or something close to it.  We are slowly
building a bigger networking lab with router-ish stuff for students to
learn from.  In fact, I'll be handing off full BGP table for them to see
and play with in the lab.  If you want to help us educate, we'll gladly
accept any donations, particularly gear, we can get.  :-)

http://www.cs.depaul.edu/programs/2002/BachelorNT2002.asp
http://ipdweb.cs.depaul.edu/programs/lan/index.html
http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/tdc375/
http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/2001Spr365/

John

Transatlantic response times.

[Pistone, Mike]

I wasn't really sure where to post this, but I figured NANOG would have some
insight or at least experience here.

I was curious if anybody would share what they consider to be average or
acceptable transatlantic ping response times over a T1.
I know there are tons of variables here, but I am looking for ballpark
figures.
Assume that utilization on the circuit is extremely low, and you are
measuring point to point across the line.  You can also assume no other
bottlenecks effecting the response times (router performance, or what not).
Should you see a ~150ms trip?  250ms?  450ms???

Also,  if possible, include the to and from info.  Obviously  NYC to London
is a bit different than Dallas to Prague or something.   

Is there any equation to estimate response times?  For example, if your
circuit from A to Z has a 500ms avg response, than that equates to a circuit
distance of aprox. 5000 miles or something?

Thanks in advance,


Mike