AOL tarpitting?

2004-11-05 Thread Mark Jeftovic


had AOL tarpitting gotten quite a bit more aggressive in the last
few days?

It happened to us and we signed up for their "feedback loop" and
rerouted our mail to them via another route.

The new route was tarpitted within 24 hours and absolutely nothing
was communicated to us about it via the "feedback loop".

Does that thing actually work?

Any contacts, on or off list who could advise?

-mark


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Re: AOL tarpitting?

2004-11-05 Thread Kee Hinckley
At 2:26 PM -0500 11/5/04, Mark Jeftovic wrote:
had AOL tarpitting gotten quite a bit more aggressive in the last
few days?
One of the sites I run (hosted on cihost) recently started getting 
bad SMTP responses from AOL.  We worked around by routing AOL and 
Compuserver mail through a gateway that cihost claims is "clean", but 
we haven't been able to get a clear story on why our IPs were being 
blocked, or how to unblock them.  I had heard elsewhere that AOL is 
cracking down on ISPs they feel aren't keeping clean, but I don't 
know if that's related.


RE: AOL tarpitting?

2004-11-06 Thread James Ashton

AOLs feedback loop seams to take a month or so to take effect.

-James

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had AOL tarpitting gotten quite a bit more aggressive in the last
few days?

It happened to us and we signed up for their "feedback loop" and
rerouted our mail to them via another route.

The new route was tarpitted within 24 hours and absolutely nothing
was communicated to us about it via the "feedback loop".

Does that thing actually work?

Any contacts, on or off list who could advise?

-mark


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Mark Jeftovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Co-founder, easyDNS Technologies Inc.
ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225
fx. +1-(416)-535-0237




Re: AOL tarpitting?

2004-11-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mark Jeftovic
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL tarpitting?
The new route was tarpitted within 24 hours and absolutely nothing
was communicated to us about it via the "feedback loop".
Does that thing actually work?
Any contacts, on or off list who could advise?
-mark
 

The feedback loop seems to work quite well though we see a lot of what I 
consider to be bogus spam reports (not mass mail - just the usual idiots 
forwarding jokes, mail from their own employers, etc.)..  I suspect some 
AOL users think the 'report as spam' button is the delete key - it was 
pointed out that they are next to each other on the menu. 

The reports have helped us to find a few low volume exploits of scripts 
(<100 messages /day) on the web servers that we probably would not have 
found otherwise.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex


Re: [nanog] RE: AOL tarpitting?

2004-11-06 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, James Ashton wrote:
My own experiences with them went something like:
Attempt to sign up for several address ranges.  Realize the form doesn't 
understand complex ranges like 192.168.1-4.0-255, 192.168.1.0/20, so list 
the first block and include a note (because, you know, they give you a 
notes field). Discover you're only getting SCOMP notices for that one 
class C.  Fill out a form with all your address space.  Wait like two 
weeks to get a reply.  See if they've actually done it.

This system IS something useful, as AOL seems to have people who target it 
and nothing else, and the range of AOL users (with as much respect as is 
deserved an AOL user) likely to be able to figure out the useful reporting 
address for an email, or to use something like SpamCop is damned near nil.

-Dan

AOLs feedback loop seams to take a month or so to take effect.
-James
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mark Jeftovic
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL tarpitting?

had AOL tarpitting gotten quite a bit more aggressive in the last
few days?
It happened to us and we signed up for their "feedback loop" and
rerouted our mail to them via another route.
The new route was tarpitted within 24 hours and absolutely nothing
was communicated to us about it via the "feedback loop".
Does that thing actually work?
Any contacts, on or off list who could advise?
-mark
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fx. +1-(416)-535-0237

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