RE: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Lasher, Donn wrote: approved on the first try. I personally have a 0% success rate, and I spent a year or two in college I assume you mean 0% success on first submission of the template. My experience has usually been that I don't give them quite enough detail on the first try. They say "fill in some more detail here and here." The hardest part for me has always been forecasting expected future need. Our business changes frequently, and I never know what our expected usage will be...at least not with any certainty. Last time, we were about to roll our DLSAMs in a bunch of COs. The FCC pulled the UNE rug out from under us right as we were beginning deployment, and we canceled that idea. With RWHOIS your IP usage data is internal, easily searchable, modifyable without going through email ping-pong with ARIN. We (at a Are you aware of the use of ">" in [ARIN] whois queries? With that, it's trivial (though time consuming) to get a list of all your SWIPs, and then have someone verify that everything that should be SWIPed is, and any stale ones are undone. I don't agree with the idea that you should only request and receive 3 months worth of IPs at a time, and I wonder how commonly anyone does that in practice...but this is the wrong list for that debate. -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
RE: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
Jack Wrote: >I'm curious why you converted to RWHOIS. I SWIP'd my entire network to get my assignments. Many large ISPs still SWIP. > I didn't have time to mess with RWHOIS. Control. Auditing. We got tired of spending countless resources trying to keep track of what we had, what ARIN thought we had, how to make the two match, how to modify it, etc. I don't know what ARIN's stats are, but I would imagine they have some VERY low number (I'd guess 5%) of IP XXX forms that are approved on the first try. I personally have a 0% success rate, and I spent a year or two in college With RWHOIS your IP usage data is internal, easily searchable, modifyable without going through email ping-pong with ARIN. We (at a previous employer)used a 3rd party integration program which stored the data in a database, then wrote out the rwhois file structure, which helped eliminate some of the pain of using the rwhois daemon by itself. It made any new IP address requests far easier, since we could do a complete self-audit before we ever asked ARIN for more space. I have to believe they far prefer that method of customer IP interaction as well. They don't have to chase virtual-paper forms around...
Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alain Hebert wrote: > >Hi, > >All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS > and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast. > >First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21; > >Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN; > >Take a day or 2 to prepare the paperwork; > >Submit it in the right sequence to ARIN; > >And LISTEN to your ARIN rep, they know how the procedure must be done > and will help your get it done correctly. > >Simple really. - -- I'm in the process of obtaining PI & ASN for my customer. Looking at ARIN's template, it appears to be pretty straight forward. 1. POC 2. ORG ID 3. AS Number 4. End-User Network Request (/22) Provided there aren't any issues with the filings, this entire process shouldn't take more than 1 week tops. regards, /virendra > > Hank Nussbacher wrote: > >> >> >>> Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >>> Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. >>> >> >> I recently had to do the ARIN process for a customer from beginning to >> end. Never had experience with ARIN, nor its methods or templates >> (only RIPE experience). >> >> Took 5 weeks to get a /19 and then an additional 4 weeks to get the >> ASN. YMMV. >> >> -Hank Nussbacher >> http://www.interall.co.il >> >> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFCXhEpbZvCIJx1bcRAplAAJkBPRQtw4TkAmteEXmdk3LTlrIaLACgtimT PvbaT4t0w2AbWohvhuU1/6Y= =sxRi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
Hi, All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast. First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21; Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN; Take a day or 2 to prepare the paperwork; Submit it in the right sequence to ARIN; And LISTEN to your ARIN rep, they know how the procedure must be done and will help your get it done correctly. Simple really. Hank Nussbacher wrote: Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. I recently had to do the ARIN process for a customer from beginning to end. Never had experience with ARIN, nor its methods or templates (only RIPE experience). Took 5 weeks to get a /19 and then an additional 4 weeks to get the ASN. YMMV. -Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il -- Alain Hebert[EMAIL PROTECTED] PubNIX Inc. P.O. Box 175 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 5T7 tel 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netfax 514-990-9443
Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
Lasher, Donn wrote: YMMV, but my mileage has been just as bad yours, in some cases worse. Converting from swip's to RWHOIS took 6 months. ARIN is painful. Overly painful for someone who you pay for the right to USE IP addresses on a yearly basis Of course, that's just my personal viewpoint. I'm curious why you converted to RWHOIS. I SWIP'd my entire network to get my assignments. Many large ISPs still SWIP. I didn't have time to mess with RWHOIS. -Jack
RE: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
>Richard A Steenbergen wrote: >>Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're >>new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is >>absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring >>intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. >>Hank Said, >>I recently had to do the ARIN process for a customer from beginning to end. Never had experience with ARIN, >>nor its methods or templates (only RIPE experience). >>Took 5 weeks to get a /19 and then an additional 4 weeks to get the ASN. YMMV. YMMV, but my mileage has been just as bad yours, in some cases worse. Converting from swip's to RWHOIS took 6 months. ARIN is painful. Overly painful for someone who you pay for the right to USE IP addresses on a yearly basis Of course, that's just my personal viewpoint.
Re: ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe. I recently had to do the ARIN process for a customer from beginning to end. Never had experience with ARIN, nor its methods or templates (only RIPE experience). Took 5 weeks to get a /19 and then an additional 4 weeks to get the ASN. YMMV. -Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
ARIN sucks? was Re: Kremen's Buddy?
I've heard the horror stories, and I remember that ARIN was difficult to deal with 10 years ago, but my recent experiences with them have been relatively painless. I expected the process to get worse as IPs become more scarce, but I haven't been seeing that. AFAICT they are more helpful and easier to work with right now than they have ever been. They came out with simplified templates last week and it looks like the process will now be even easier. Maybe it's harder for companies that don't run an rwhois server, and rwhois can be tricky to setup, but I was able to do it, and I would expect (or at least hope) that most of the people who are paid to run networks are in the same IQ range as me. What's so hard about this? http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/net-isp.txt Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who have already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process, and/or have the right political connections to resolve the "issues" that come up when dealing with them? Try looking at it from an outsider's point of view instead. If you're new to dealing with ARIN, it is not uncommon to find the process is absolutely baffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive disclosure just shy of an anal cavity probe.
