Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:47:44 -0300 From: Giuliano (UOL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E You can use Foundry XMR box. It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... If you need sane MTU controls on both L2 and L3 stay *very* *far* away from Foundry gear... Despite years and years of telling them they need to allow different MTU settings both at the VLAN as on the VE level they still Don't Get It (TM)... :( And I definitely know I'm not the only one who's repeatedly asked them about it. :( Apart from that, if you need basic IPv4 stuff, aka not too fancy terribly new things, they have a very decent platform, with far lower port costs then C or J. And performance is also very good, especially since you get L2 and L3, whereas with J you'd need to go with the (very new) MX960, whose L2 featureset still eludes me, or the proven 6509's (with beefy sup's) from C... Kind regards, JP Velders
Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
Hi,, groupI need some help.Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability,scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ???Some experience in the real life Thanks!!! and Regards !!!
Re[2]: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
echlo Friday, August 3, 2007, 10:47:33 AM, you wrote: NE5000E is available in two linecard chassi solution. have anyone seen or maybe used 40Gig cards for NE5000E? are they available, and how do they work? (rumours say there might be some issue due to the fact that huawei has only 10G capable forwarding chip, but maybe that issue had been solved already). -- = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = tel +48-504-109307 = 2:480/70 = *in arp we trust* = === PGP: 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA = http://krap.pl/pgp/ ===
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. -Robert Tellurian Networks - Global Hosting Solutions Since 1995 http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ wrote: Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? There is no single answer to your question. Looking at what the platforms offer NOW (if you want future you have to talk to the vendors), some key points: CRS-1 scales to at least 4-8 linecard chassis with current software. Juniper T1600 doesn't have a multichassi solution. NE5000E is available in two linecard chassi solution. CRS-1 was designed from the beginning as a 64 (or 72, I dont remember) linecard chassi solution, Juniper and Huawei are working on their scalability. If you need a lot of multicast you need to look into how the platforms do this, none of them will do wirespeed multicast on all packet sizes and they all have different ways of handling it internally. If you have less than 10% of your packets that are multicast, this is less of a worry. Since Huawei is the challenger here, it's most likely they'll give you the most aggressive price. If you need netflow, it might be good to know that CRS-1 does without the need for anything additional, both T1600 and NE5000E needs feature acceleration cards to do netflow properly, and NE5000E will only do netflow in the ingress direction on a linecard whereas CRS-1 and T1600 will do it bidirectionally. When it comes to operational issues, my personal opinion: If you know Juniper, the OS of course identical on the T1600. If you know IOS, IOS XR is fairly easy to learn. Huawei OS looks configurationwise structurally like IOS, but with the commands changed on purpose (show is display etc). There are a lot more things to say but a lot of it might be under NDA, so you need to talk to the vendors directly to get more details. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Robert Boyle wrote: At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. Any experiences of Foundry routing w/ more complex protocols (PIM, MSDP, various IPv6 stuff)? The last time we tried running non-C/J as a router was a very Extreme experience and we swore never again to touch similar router underdogs in the future. -- Pekka Savola You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds. Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
RE: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
We're Juniper right now, but we're looking at the Foundry MLX line for possible future sites due to cost/performance. So I'd be interested in folks' experience with Foundry's Terathon gear and associated IronWare revs. Its supposed to be a lot better than the JetCore stuff (cam-trashing problems etc.) but it'd be nice to hear what folks are seeing in real life. Best Regards, Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pekka Savola Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:07 PM To: Robert Boyle Cc: ALEJANDRO ESQUIVEL RODRIGUEZ; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Robert Boyle wrote: At 02:17 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Dependent on your interface needs, if GigE, 10G, (40G 100G in the future) and POS are all you need, include the Foundry XMR in your eval too. Very solid software and excellent support at a price point which is significantly lower than C J. I don't know the pricing for H. Any experiences of Foundry routing w/ more complex protocols (PIM, MSDP, various IPv6 stuff)? The last time we tried running non-C/J as a router was a very Extreme experience and we swore never again to touch similar router underdogs in the future. -- Pekka Savola You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds. Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings !SIG:46b39bc6156532946815078!
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
ALEJANDRO, You can use Foundry XMR box. It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... Att, Giuliano Hi,, group I need some help. Which equipment is better ( perfomance, availability, scalability, features, Support, and Price ($$$) ) ??? Some experience in the real life Thanks!!! and Regards !!!
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:47:44PM -0300, Giuliano (UOL) wrote: It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But a CLI/config as modern as a grammophone. If only they would copy JunOS instead of IOS... sigh. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... They already fail at light conditions, given that there is no multitopology IS-IS. This equals to showstopper if your network uses multitopo IS-IS for v4+v6 (and perhaps even for unicast and multicast). Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Re: Cisco CRS-1 vs Juniper 1600 vs Huawei NE5000E
Daniel, Like Juniper T1600 and CRS-1 I have to agree it will be very difficult to compare thinking about performance and S.O functionality (ASICs, Internet Processor 2, Multicasting Matrix Architecture, Hardware Arch, QNX, Real Time OS, I-Chip ASICs, Forwarding Plane, Control Plane and Service Plane etc.) ... thinking that major (95 % ?) of the service providers, telecom companies and research networks (I2, NLR, AARNET, APAN...) in the world are using something the both trades. We do not have a lot of other companies cases to show. Juniper has IPv6 implementation since 10 years ? JUNOS 4.2 ? We have to agree (too) they have a lot expertise in how it works under mix, heavy traffic, etc. Only prices fro this 2 machines are very HARD to work !!! Thinking about Juniper a good suggestion could be the MX Series Family with high concentration of Ethernet High Speedy Interfaces (SFP). Cisco CRS-1 is very new, right ? People from NLR (I think) is using the 8 slot router with the new IOS XR based on QNX ... Maybe some of them could tell how it works under heavy conditions of traffic, v4+v6 mix with multicast, unicast and MPLS VPNs .. all running togheter. Thanks, Giuliano On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:47:44PM -0300, Giuliano (UOL) wrote: It has excellent performance under MPLS, BGP and Multicast Networks. But a CLI/config as modern as a grammophone. If only they would copy JunOS instead of IOS... sigh. But ... I never saw it under extreme conditions with IPv6 ... They already fail at light conditions, given that there is no multitopology IS-IS. This equals to showstopper if your network uses multitopo IS-IS for v4+v6 (and perhaps even for unicast and multicast). Best regards, Daniel
