Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Back in the mid-80s, when some people at Bell Labs were trying to get the rest of us there onto the DNS bandwagon, there were some people who didn't like it. Pike and Weinberger put out deep theoretical papers like The Hideous Name on relative vs. absolute names and the effects of syntax (available at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/doc/85/1-05.ps.gz ), and the Plan 9 naming structure, and Honeyman and Bellovin wrote pathalias to optimize communication paths across bang-space and other namespaces. I mainly grumbled about the unlikelihood of everybody being willing to let some central authority decide whose machines could be named gandalf and mozart given the current anarchic structure of uucp naming, a prediction which proved resoundingly wrong over the next few years as DNS took off like wildfire because it was obviously much more convenient. :-) The main feature of a global hierarchical namespace root is that There Can Be Only One (Highlander, 1986). That doesn't mean that other people can't use the same syntax and software to describe a different namespace that may overlap the Internet's namespace and may resolve to the same addresses in many cases, and over the years there have been occasional alternate-root namespaces grabbing a fraction of a percent of the market, and sometimes they've even been administered well enough that their few users don't all give up immediately. But when they do something wrong with their root, that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the root - it just means that their users may get unpredictable results, which is something they're mostly used to anyway. The DNS namespace is designed that lots of things can be grafted under it, and much of the DNS name resolution software is designed to resolve local as well as global names. So company example.com with globally-named servers like engineering.example.com or london.example.com can have users who refer to those servers as example or london as long as they administer their DNS correctly. And Joe-Bob's Alternate Root Services can have locally-usable names like www.example.fun which are also globally accessible as www.example.fun.joe-bob-alt-root-example.net by people who don't use their name resolvers (again, if they configure everything correctly) - but many of the alternate roots over the years haven't wanted to do that, because it makes it obvious that they're not the real root, just a wannabe. There have been other global namespaces - ICQ was very popular for a while, and it didn't get bothered by the WIPO-and-ICANN crowd because nobody worried too much about trademark violations in a flat numerical namespace that didn't correlate with anything else. On the other hand, the ENUM proposals do have serious issues of namespace policy and centralization-vs-decentralization - should their hierarchical number space be forced to buy E.164 numbers from the Telco Gods? Should anyone who has a PBX be able to manage ENUMs for extensions under it, and should anybody with a phone number be able to define ENUM numbers under it (e.g. 5.4.3.2.1.0.0.0.1.5.5.5.3.2.1.1 to get extension 12345 at +1-123-555-1000, or fax.0.0.0.1.5.5.5.3.2.1.1 to get the fax machine?)
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
The A record for '.' is gone. I am told it was a typo. I guess nameservers for at least one domain where involved too. That is the reason why I had problems. Kind regards, Peter and Karin Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005 Original Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2005 13:07:54 - Received: from LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (EHLO LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) [199.5.157.32] by mx0.gmx.net (mx072) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:07:54 +0200 Received: from list.public-root.com ([199.5.157.32]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24)id 1EOx3o-ny-HQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from [206.254.45.93] (helo=ruby.cynikal.net ident=qmremote) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3n-nt-5J for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 1018); 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Pr-plan] BAD NEWS Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory (fwd) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: pr-plan.LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Unsubscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/pr-plan List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam) X-GMX-UID: /QI4Y8R1eSEkOtTJ43QhaXN1IGRvb4Di Folks - got some bad news. The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup thats right - an A record. Which see below. Have tried to contact Paul Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake. Noone is at home at the inn. Not good. See appened message to Peter Dambier and our public-root associates. I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it. Should be interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been broken. regards joe -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. regards joe On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: Kewl, '.' has got an A record :) ; DiG 9.1.3 @a.public-root.net . axfr ;; global options: printcmd . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS a.public-root.net. Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593 Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/ Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan ___ Pr-plan mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Peter, nobody here cares even the slightest bit for your public-root problems. Please stop spamming NANOG lists NOW! -- Andre Peter Dambier wrote: The A record for '.' is gone. I am told it was a typo. I guess nameservers for at least one domain where involved too. That is the reason why I had problems. Kind regards, Peter and Karin Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005 Original Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2005 13:07:54 - Received: from LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (EHLO LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) [199.5.157.32] by mx0.gmx.net (mx072) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:07:54 +0200 Received: from list.public-root.com ([199.5.157.32]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24)id 1EOx3o-ny-HQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from [206.254.45.93] (helo=ruby.cynikal.net ident=qmremote) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3n-nt-5J for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 1018); 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Pr-plan] BAD NEWS Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory (fwd) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: pr-plan.LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Unsubscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/pr-plan List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam) X-GMX-UID: /QI4Y8R1eSEkOtTJ43QhaXN1IGRvb4Di Folks - got some bad news. The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup thats right - an A record. Which see below. Have tried to contact Paul Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake. Noone is at home at the inn. Not good. See appened message to Peter Dambier and our public-root associates. I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it. Should be interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been broken. regards joe -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. regards joe On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: Kewl, '.' has got an A record :) ; DiG 9.1.3 @a.public-root.net . axfr ;; global options: printcmd . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS a.public-root.net. Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593 Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/ Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan ___ Pr-plan mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
nobody here cares even the slightest bit for your public-root problems. Please stop spamming NANOG lists NOW! Seems to me that such appeals might be a bit more effective if you sent it privately to the list administrators via the address published here: http://www.nanog.org/listadmins.html --Michael Dillon
Fwd: The Root has got an A record
See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005 Original Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2005 13:07:54 - Received: from LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (EHLO LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) [199.5.157.32] by mx0.gmx.net (mx072) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:07:54 +0200 Received: from list.public-root.com ([199.5.157.32]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3o-ny-HQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from [206.254.45.93] (helo=ruby.cynikal.net ident=qmremote) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3n-nt-5J for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 1018); 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Pr-plan] BAD NEWS Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory (fwd) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: pr-plan.LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Unsubscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/pr-plan List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam) X-GMX-UID: /QI4Y8R1eSEkOtTJ43QhaXN1IGRvb4Di Folks - got some bad news. The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup thats right - an A record. Which see below. Have tried to contact Paul Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake. Noone is at home at the inn. Not good. See appened message to Peter Dambier and our public-root associates. I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it. Should be interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been broken. regards joe -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. regards joe On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: Kewl, '.' has got an A record :) ; DiG 9.1.3 @a.public-root.net . axfr ;; global options: printcmd . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS a.public-root.net. Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593 Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/ Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan ___ Pr-plan mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
i'm reading looking for your explanation but there isnt one. and the A record is for what? anyway its on a private dns server, the internet roots are fine so why worry? :) Steve On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005 Original Message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2005 13:07:54 - Received: from LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (EHLO LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) [199.5.157.32] by mx0.gmx.net (mx072) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:07:54 +0200 Received: from list.public-root.com ([199.5.157.32]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3o-ny-HQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from [206.254.45.93] (helo=ruby.cynikal.net ident=qmremote) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3n-nt-5J for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 1018); 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 - Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Pr-plan] BAD NEWS Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory (fwd) X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: pr-plan.LAIR.LIONPOST.NET List-Unsubscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/pr-plan List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam) X-GMX-UID: /QI4Y8R1eSEkOtTJ43QhaXN1IGRvb4Di Folks - got some bad news. The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup thats right - an A record. Which see below. Have tried to contact Paul Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake. Noone is at home at the inn. Not good. See appened message to Peter Dambier and our public-root associates. I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it. Should be interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been broken. regards joe -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. regards joe On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: Kewl, '.' has got an A record :) ; DiG 9.1.3 @a.public-root.net . axfr ;; global options: printcmd . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS a.public-root.net. Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593 Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/ Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan ___ Pr-plan mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: i'm reading looking for your explanation but there isnt one. and the A record is for what? The A record is for . (the DNS root). Or at least . as public-root sees it. anyway its on a private dns server, the internet roots are fine so why worry? :) It might impact people who have drunk enough of the public-root kool-aid to be using it instead of the ICANN root. For everyone else, its just more evidence that alternative roots are usually a bad idea. ;-)
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Hmm, B has the same one, and C has all the other Roots listed as A records. Would/could this really cause any sort of an issue though? Regards, -Joe Blanchard On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ^^ ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. ^ hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 Who cares? Please stop wasting NANOG bandwidth that could be better used debating peering/depeering with gibberish about fringe DNS systems. Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. Make sure to also report when pigs fly and the aliens decide to publicly make contact. Apologies to anyone already .procmailrc'ing Peter to /dev/null for sneaking this into your inbox. -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Joe Blanchard wrote: Hmm, B has the same one, and C has all the other Roots listed as A records. Would/could this really cause any sort of an issue though? Its not records like a.public-root.net. 369 IN A 205.189.71.2 that are the issue. That's as it should be. (Well... if you accept that public-root should be. ;-) ) This record, however, is not correct: . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 That is the root. For those of you who need reminding on how DNS works... . the root / | \ / | \ / | \ .com .net .orgtop level domains | | | | yahoo bgp4domain names | | | | wwwsea host (or subdomain) The trailing dot is left out in day to day use when we use URLS like www.yahoo.com - however, its really www.yahoo.com. - note the dot on the end. That's the root. Having an A record for the root is one better than having an A record for, say, .edu. In other words, this shouldn't work: [aura.sea.bgp4.net] (ciscogeek) nslookup . a.public-root.net Server: a.public-root.net Address:205.189.71.2#53 Name: . Address: 57.67.193.188 As for what issues it could cause, I'm not sure. I can't think of any off hand, but who knows what poorly written application may not be expecting an A record for the root. For most people though, it doesn't matter, because they aren't using public-root in the first place. I now return you to the Cogent/Level3 thread.
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
Janet Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Having an A record for the root is one better than having an A record for, say, .edu. In other words, this shouldn't work: The content at http://57.67.193.188/ made me wonder if they'd not in fact put in a *wildcard* record in the root zone. It turns out that they haven't, so there's still some more lack of DNS Clue that hasn't yet been demonstrated. -- My swerver room, my patch panels. By the time they figure out why none of the ports on their floor box work anymore I'll be done, dusted and down the pub with a pint of something brewed with yeast that was smarter than they are. - a fed up BOFH in the Monastery
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:51:54 EDT, Jon Lewis said: Make sure to also report when pigs fly and the aliens decide to publicly make contact. RFC1925 sayeth: (3) With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Obviously, what Peter was reporting is the result of a DNS administrator sitting under the flight path of Porcine Airlines flight 109 pgpIfeSFD2t5H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
I am sorry if you feel annoyed by this, but c.public-root.com, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, IP 68.255.182.111 e.public-root.com, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, IP 216.138.219.83 f.public-root.com, Terre Haute, Indiana, USA, IP 66.15.237.185 g.public-root.com, Chicago, Illinois, USA, IP 199.5.157.131 h.public-root.com, Des Moines, Iowa, USA, 64.198.89.245 operate in north america, in your network. So do their customers. It is you who will be annoyed if anything goes wrong because of this misbehaviour. I do not recommend using the public-root right now. I do warn because of obvious technical problems. I dont know what happens if '.' suddenly has a valid ip address. I have not written windows. I dont know what Bill Gates does. My linux did complain. That is how I did find it in the first place. And I know for shure '.' was not meant to have an ip address. What can go wrong will go wrong. I have seen enough queries for '.local' and for 'localhost' on the root-servers. Jon Lewis wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: See with your own eyes: ; DiG 9.1.3 -t any . @a.public-root.net ^^ ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. ^ hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 Who cares? Please stop wasting NANOG bandwidth that could be better used debating peering/depeering with gibberish about fringe DNS systems. Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. Make sure to also report when pigs fly and the aliens decide to publicly make contact. Apologies to anyone already .procmailrc'ing Peter to /dev/null for sneaking this into your inbox. Better /dev/null the rest of nanog too because I am afraid there will raise issues because of this. So, if you really dont care ... -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_ -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: I am sorry if you feel annoyed by this, but c.public-root.com, Cleveland, Ohio, USA, IP 68.255.182.111 e.public-root.com, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, IP 216.138.219.83 f.public-root.com, Terre Haute, Indiana, USA, IP 66.15.237.185 g.public-root.com, Chicago, Illinois, USA, IP 199.5.157.131 h.public-root.com, Des Moines, Iowa, USA, 64.198.89.245 Where they operate or how many alternative root's there are really doesn't matter. Anyone nutty enough to rely on them gets what they have coming. -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_
Re: Fwd: The Root has got an A record
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: I do not recommend using the public-root right now. I do warn because of obvious technical problems. All you're doing is making the rest of us laugh uncontrollably as the problems with the non-Internet Public-Root DNS servers keep stacking up. The rest of us use actual *Internet* root DNS servers and will never see these problems. (I need to find my glasses, because that sign on the road ahead is hard to read -- something about feeling droll? Wait, that's not right) -- -- Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
