Re: Google AdSense Crash
Accepted: There was a clue but I did not see it. No, it was not worth ranting about. Sorry for the bandwidth. Cheers Peter and Karin Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Henry Linneweh wrote: Maintenance windows are common on most network service providers, have been for years... In what way does that invalidate the fact that I think it wasn't worth reporting? -Henry --- Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Peter Dambier wrote: If I understand you correctly then it does not make sense reporting errors here as long as I dont have a clue. Reporting a google outage here will likely have no effect on the ETR. It is entirely likely that other people on the list will not be able to observe the same outage. People with a clue dont know I have a problem. There is no problem as long as I dont report it. It is in your interest and those of other who depend on a given service to track the availablity of that service. Whether or not mail sent to the nanog lists represents a meaningful sample of google adwords customers is left as an exercise for the reader. That saves a lot of bandwidth urgently needed for ranting :) Have a nice weekend. Cheers Peter and Karin -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2 -- Peter and Karin Dambier The Public-Root Consortium Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Henry Linneweh wrote: Maintenance windows are common on most network service providers, have been for years... In what way does that invalidate the fact that I think it wasn't worth reporting? -Henry --- Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Peter Dambier wrote: If I understand you correctly then it does not make sense reporting errors here as long as I dont have a clue. Reporting a google outage here will likely have no effect on the ETR. It is entirely likely that other people on the list will not be able to observe the same outage. People with a clue dont know I have a problem. There is no problem as long as I dont report it. It is in your interest and those of other who depend on a given service to track the availablity of that service. Whether or not mail sent to the nanog lists represents a meaningful sample of google adwords customers is left as an exercise for the reader. That saves a lot of bandwidth urgently needed for ranting :) Have a nice weekend. Cheers Peter and Karin -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2 -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
Re: Google AdSense Crash
Maintenance windows are common on most network service providers, have been for years... -Henry --- Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Peter Dambier wrote: > > > If I understand you correctly then it does not > make sense reporting > > errors here as long as I dont have a clue. > > Reporting a google outage here will likely have no > effect on the ETR. It > is entirely likely that other people on the list > will not be able to > observe the same outage. > > > People with a clue dont know I have a problem. > > > > There is no problem as long as I dont report it. > > It is in your interest and those of other who depend > on a given service to > track the availablity of that service. Whether or > not mail sent to the > nanog lists represents a meaningful sample of google > adwords customers is > left as an exercise for the reader. > > > That saves a lot of bandwidth urgently needed for > ranting :) > > > > > > Have a nice weekend. > > Cheers > > Peter and Karin > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 > C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2 > >
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Peter Dambier wrote: If I understand you correctly then it does not make sense reporting errors here as long as I dont have a clue. Reporting a google outage here will likely have no effect on the ETR. It is entirely likely that other people on the list will not be able to observe the same outage. People with a clue dont know I have a problem. There is no problem as long as I dont report it. It is in your interest and those of other who depend on a given service to track the availablity of that service. Whether or not mail sent to the nanog lists represents a meaningful sample of google adwords customers is left as an exercise for the reader. That saves a lot of bandwidth urgently needed for ranting :) Have a nice weekend. Cheers Peter and Karin -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
Re: Google AdSense Crash
Hey! On Apr 23, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Don't any of you ever bother reading responses in the thread? Mr. Hannigan already pointed to a link that explained clearly that this is a non-event, much less an event worth discussing on nanog! http://adsense.blogspot.com/?utm_source=aso&utm_campaign=ww-en_US-et- asfe&medium=et Furrfu!
Re: Google AdSense Crash
Joel Jaeggli wrote: ... If one observes enough google outages, one would conclude that they then to be localized, and transient. One might conclude further from that observation, that as an ASP they don't have all their eggs in the same basket. The upshot though is that observers with different vantage points are observing different pieces of infrastructure. I personally would question the utility of reporting on a failure of a service without being able to point at least in direction of the piece that failed. If I understand you correctly then it does not make sense reporting errors here as long as I dont have a clue. People with a clue dont know I have a problem. There is no problem as long as I dont report it. That saves a lot of bandwidth urgently needed for ranting :) Have a nice weekend. Cheers Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier The Public-Root Consortium Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the website comes up with: "The Google AdSense website is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later. We apologize for any inconvenience." This is a big deal and it is operational in nature. It is fully functional at London Heathrow @ 1000 BST (0500 EDT). Maybe this is / was a middleware issue. If one observes enough google outages, one would conclude that they then to be localized, and transient. One might conclude further from that observation, that as an ASP they don't have all their eggs in the same basket. The upshot though is that observers with different vantage points are observing different pieces of infrastructure. I personally would question the utility of reporting on a failure of a service without being able to point at least in direction of the piece that failed. Regards Marshall - Original Message - From: "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'william(at)elan.net'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'nanog'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: RE: Google AdSense Crash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of william(at)elan.net> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the interface that partners use to manage their advertising settings. And this is reported on nanog because...? Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many threads. More, please. Daniel Golding -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the website comes up with: "The Google AdSense website is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later. We apologize for any inconvenience." This is a big deal and it is operational in nature. It is fully functional at London Heathrow @ 1000 BST (0500 EDT). Maybe this is / was a middleware issue. Regards Marshall - Original Message - From: "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'william(at)elan.net'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'nanog'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: RE: Google AdSense Crash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of william(at)elan.net> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the interface that partners use to manage their advertising settings. And this is reported on nanog because...? Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many threads. More, please. Daniel Golding
Re: Google AdSense Crash
At 11:36 PM -0400 04:22:2006, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 04:58:21PM -0400, Daniel Golding wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > william(at)elan.net> > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > > > > > Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the > interface that partners use to manage > > their advertising settings. > > And this is reported on nanog because...? Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many threads. More, please. Not sure I'd agree with that one. If there was an actual networking issue and you couldn't reach Google, I'd buy that it is at least in the right ballpark of on-topic for nanog (though if past history is any guide, it would just be 20 "me too" posts with no useful information about WHY it was broken or how to go about fixing it). But if you can get the website to load, and Google's servers just don't want to run that particular application, I can't see how it possibly has any bearing to NANOG. Layers people. :) Eh, sort of: http://adsense.blogspot.com/?utm_source=aso&utm_campaign=ww-en_US-et-asfe&medium=et This is what happens when end-users/customers are intermingled operationally. -M< -- Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation(w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 04:58:21PM -0400, Daniel Golding wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > william(at)elan.net> > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > > > > > > > > Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the > > interface that partners use to manage > > > their advertising settings. > > > > And this is reported on nanog because...? > > Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's > will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach > it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many > threads. More, please. Not sure I'd agree with that one. If there was an actual networking issue and you couldn't reach Google, I'd buy that it is at least in the right ballpark of on-topic for nanog (though if past history is any guide, it would just be 20 "me too" posts with no useful information about WHY it was broken or how to go about fixing it). But if you can get the website to load, and Google's servers just don't want to run that particular application, I can't see how it possibly has any bearing to NANOG. Layers people. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Re: Google AdSense Crash
https://www.google.com/adsense/ is up and working on my Silicon Valley end of the network -Henry --- "John Palmer (NANOG Acct)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the > website comes up with: > > "The Google AdSense website is temporarily > unavailable. Please try back later. > We apologize for any inconvenience." > > This is a big deal and it is operational in nature. > > - Original Message - > From: "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'william(at)elan.net'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "'nanog'" > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: RE: Google AdSense Crash > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > william(at)elan.net> > > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Google Adsense has been down for several hours > now. This is the > > > interface that partners use to manage > > > > their advertising settings. > > > > > > And this is reported on nanog because...? > > > > > > > Because this is the Internet's most profitable > advertising service and ISP's > > will get complaints if their customers (esp. > business customers) can't reach > > it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are > operational, unlike many > > threads. More, please. > > > > Daniel Golding > > > > > > > >
Re: Google AdSense Crash
OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the website comes up with: "The Google AdSense website is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later. We apologize for any inconvenience." This is a big deal and it is operational in nature. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'william(at)elan.net'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'John Palmer (NANOG Acct)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'nanog'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: RE: Google AdSense Crash > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > william(at)elan.net> > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > > > > > > > > Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the > > interface that partners use to manage > > > their advertising settings. > > > > And this is reported on nanog because...? > > > > Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's > will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach > it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many > threads. More, please. > > Daniel Golding > > >
RE: Google AdSense Crash
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > william(at)elan.net> > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > > > > > Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the > interface that partners use to manage > > their advertising settings. > > And this is reported on nanog because...? > Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many threads. More, please. Daniel Golding
Re: Google AdSense Crash
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the interface that partners use to manage their advertising settings. And this is reported on nanog because...? -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Google AdSense Crash
Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the interface that partners use to manage their advertising settings.
