Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-26 Thread Barton F. Bruce


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Many years ago when we were much, much smaller, the EPO was wired to a 
special EPO circuit breaker on the main panel which fed the subpanel for 
the datacenter room. A short on that breaker was like pressing the "test" 
switch on a GFCI breaker. Do most people who do have functional (as 
opposed to decorative) EPO buttons have them connected to the 
building/suite mains disconnect? or to the output of your UPS units? to a 
special EPO panel which trips the EPO cutoffs on other units?




I'd guess what you are describing is what is known as a "SHUNT TRIP" coil in 
the large breaker you need to trip. This is a readily available option even 
on relatively small breakers - just feed it power and it trips the breaker.


However it does need seperate power run through the EPO button and fed from 
a small dedicated 15 or 20AMP normal branch circuit breaker.


Once the inspector has permanently departed, that little breaker can be 
"accidentally" left tripped and then the EPO function does not work - no 
"wiring/unwiring" skills needed.


Ususal issues of liability, so decide if/how to inform other staff.




Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-26 Thread Barry Shein


When I was designing a sizeable machine room at BU I remember getting
into a bit of a debate with someone from buildings because they wanted
(I think the numbers are right) 140F sprinklers and I wanted 175F
sprinklers, images of an accidental sprinkler discharge dancing in my
head (we had halon and all that, but 140F at the ceiling didn't seem
all that high w/ all those big racks.)

 Me:  *I've* got over $2M in computers in that room!
 Him: *I've* got over $20M building around that room!
 Me:  You win!

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Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-25 Thread Michael Painter


From: "Sean Donelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)



The interesting thing about the EPO and data centers is it wasn't

orginally for life-safety, but came out of a recommendation by IBM
to the NFPA for property protection.<<

Fwiw, the EPO on  IBM's mainframes back in those days, had to be -pulled- and had a mechanical 'latch' that kept it from being 
pushed back in.  Took both hands to reset it.


--Michael



Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-25 Thread Robert Boyle


At 08:10 PM 7/25/2007, Sean Donelan wrote:

Sometimes you need to revisit the rules.  For example, for folks
thought having automatic water sprinklers in data centers was a bad 
thing. Slowly folks have started to rethink it, and now automatic 
sprinklers are

found in more data centers.  I don't have hard data, but my experience
is there have been fewer outages from accidental sprinkler discharges
than from accidental EPO activations.


There was an interesting study conducted by the US Air Force about 
fires and other failure modes in computing facilities protected with 
Halon/FM200/FE227 vs. dry pipe preaction. I know I saved the PDF, but 
I can't seem to find it at the moment. If my memory is correct, it 
boiled down to the fact that there had only been two fire incidents 
at all US Air Force installations and both were due to (surprise, 
surprise) human factors. One was a stray incendiary munition which 
breached the datacenter and other was due to a Jet A fuel spill and 
fire - which is odd because it is hard to ignite kero, diesel, jet A 
without atomization. The point of the study was that there was zero 
damage over a 30 year period from water based fire protection systems 
and I suspect it was pretty handy to have sprinklers when both 
datacenter fires happened. The munition breach of the physical 
structure would have rendered any gas based fire suppression system 
ineffective.


In theory, I'm not a big fan of EPOs due to the "Is this the button 
to exit/open the door?" problem. One of our redundant 150KVA UPS 
units caught fire a couple years ago, the input breaker became the 
EPO since the on-board front panel EPO was completely ineffective 
(and it still would have been ineffective had it been connected to an 
external EPO button.) That incident prompted a design change in all 
of our new datacenter power systems since and all existing systems 
were also updated. Now all UPS units have separate input and bypass 
breakers and feeds. Previously we used a single feed, but you can't 
isolate a burning UPS without dropping your attached load when they 
share a single breaker and are tied together inside the unit where 
the fire is happening. Having discrete A & B power systems is also a 
very good thing!


Many years ago when we were much, much smaller, the EPO was wired to 
a special EPO circuit breaker on the main panel which fed the 
subpanel for the datacenter room. A short on that breaker was like 
pressing the "test" switch on a GFCI breaker. Do most people who do 
have functional (as opposed to decorative) EPO buttons have them 
connected to the building/suite mains disconnect? or to the output of 
your UPS units? to a special EPO panel which trips the EPO cutoffs on 
other units?


-Robert


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History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-25 Thread Sean Donelan



The interesting thing about the EPO and data centers is it wasn't 
orginally for life-safety, but came out of a recommendation by IBM

to the NFPA for property protection.

But like many things, the original reasoning been lost to history, and 
the codes grew in different ways.



http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2007/May/07/averting_disaster_with_the_epo_button.html

  The history of the emergency power off switch dates back to 1959, when a
  fire in the Air Force's statistical division in the Pentagon caused $6.9
  million in property damage and destroyed three IBM mainframe computers.
  "Nothing gets the government.s attention like something that happens to
  government," said Sawyer. The National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA) was
  tasked to develop rules to address fire risks in IT environments.


Sometimes you need to revisit the rules.  For example, for folks
thought having automatic water sprinklers in data centers was a bad thing. 
Slowly folks have started to rethink it, and now automatic sprinklers are

found in more data centers.  I don't have hard data, but my experience
is there have been fewer outages from accidental sprinkler discharges
than from accidental EPO activations.