Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that mighteffect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. Not possible and risky too. The effect of a quake can be worse further from a faultline. You need to take a look at some maps of earthquake risk based on the soil type and underlying geology. Or do what the banks do and set up the backup site in Sacramento. It's not that far. It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. This has been all worked out for you by other people who sited their data centers in Sacramento eons ago. --Michael Dillon
RE: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
PIPEX ServerBank and thebunker.net do seem to be the most widely known 'nuclear-proof' secure datacentres, but there are others out there. The big gotcha seems to be getting the electrics, cooling and being on-net to multiple fibre providers to match the physical security. Thats where most of the others don't score so well IMHO, excepting the host of government/finance/etc facilities that don't sell space to anyone anyway. -- Ian Dickinson Development Engineer PIPEX [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pipex.net This e-mail is subject to: http://www.pipex.net/disclaimer.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alistair Cockeram Sent: 17 July 2004 22:59 To: Stephen J. Wilcox Cc: Tom (UnitedLayer); David Lesher; nanog list Subject: Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:11:53PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :) If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :) Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit http://www.thebunker.net is the one that comes to my mind when I think of ex millitary, bomb proof colo facility. -- Alistair Cockeram, Badford UK
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Not exactly a plug as it is in a different area, but SpringNet offers colo underground. And everything is underground including generator and cooling towers. A division of the municipal utility so power is pretty good also. Todd Christell Network Manager SpringNet www.springnet.net 417.831.8688 Key fingerprint = 4F26 A0B4 5AAD 7FCA 48DD 7F40 A57E 9235 5202 D508 On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: http://www.havenco.com/ Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad. If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :) If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :) Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit Theres a few others not so well known who have underground colos (not necessarily bunkers). My experience of basements is that they have issues when it rains heavily so I'm not that keen :) Steve
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Lots of stuff from Wall Street Financial houses set up their backups in Kansas City. There's a nice little data center in Portsmouth, NH. I used to work there. http://www.worldpath.net (8 hours away by most airlines.) :-) Curtis -- Curtis Maurand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maurand.com On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that mighteffect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. Not possible and risky too. The effect of a quake can be worse further from a faultline. You need to take a look at some maps of earthquake risk based on the soil type and underlying geology. Or do what the banks do and set up the backup site in Sacramento. It's not that far. It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. This has been all worked out for you by other people who sited their data centers in Sacramento eons ago. --Michael Dillon
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Lots of stuff from Wall Street Financial houses set up their backups in Kansas City. Is there a backup site in those KC limestone mines? Only thing is, where's the New Madrid fault? -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
David Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Lots of stuff from Wall Street Financial houses set up their backups in Kansas City. Is there a backup site in those KC limestone mines? Only thing is, where's the New Madrid fault? Reasonably far away from Wall Street. grin The whole idea behind 'geographically diverse' backups is not to have a place where 'nothing can happen to knock it out', but to have places such that _no_single_event_ can clobber everything. If New Madrid lets go, *and* San Andreas lets go at the same time, a *lot* of places will have _real_ troubles. Heck, not that many years ago, when the Chicago River 'sprang a leak' and took out most of Chicago's business district -- it turned out that there was not enough 'hot site' reserve capacity in _all_of_North_America_ to accomodate all the _downtown_Chicago_only_ sites that pulled the trigger on their emergency backup plan. One of my then clients activated their contract backup plan about 4 hours into the mess. They got the last available systme in San Diego (closest thing available). If they'd been 10 minutes later, it would have been Hawaii. (The systems group was *really* wishing managemnt _had_ waffled for another 10-15 minutes! :) There _were_ a bunch of slower-reacting sites that got told sorry, we're full up. No room at the inn. I hate to think what things would have been like if it had been something that affected the 'suburban' data-center facilities as well. Not to mention something like New Madrid cutting loose, and taking out St. Louis, Kansas City, Des Moines, and a bunch of other places, as well as Chicago.
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:00:32 EDT, David Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. http://www.havenco.com/ Hmm.. any other malady. Where is Havenco going to be when the polar ice caps finish melting? ;) pgpkP5ReLzEwF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: http://www.havenco.com/ http://chris.nodewarrior.org/reviews/DefCon11/Lackey.html Does anyone actually know of any machines hosted on HMS Roughs[1]? www.havenco.com is not, it appears. Of the 3/4 NSes listed in whois for havenco.com, only two are operational, one is the machine as www.havenco.com, the other is in havenco's own RIPE assignment (as are the two inoperative NSes). 1. http://freespace.virgin.net/line.design/forts/sea_forts.htm (first picture is of HMS Roughs, aka Sealand, being sunk into position on the Roughs sands). regards, -- Paul Jakma [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fortune: The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts. -- Paul Erlich
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: http://www.havenco.com/ Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad. If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :)
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: http://www.havenco.com/ Havenco is a shell of what it once was, and about 75-90% of what it says on the website isn't true anymore which is sad. If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :) If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :) Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit Theres a few others not so well known who have underground colos (not necessarily bunkers). My experience of basements is that they have issues when it rains heavily so I'm not that keen :) Steve
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:11:53PM +0100, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Lesher wrote: If you're really keen on former british millitary installations turned colo, there's a company that sells colo in bunkers in the UK :) If we're thinking of the same company its XTML/Telenor/Nextra/GXN/Pipex (or whatever its called this week :) Theyre the most well known that I'm aware of and they have an underground former bank vault but it'll cost you a fair bit http://www.thebunker.net is the one that comes to my mind when I think of ex millitary, bomb proof colo facility. -- Alistair Cockeram, Badford UK
Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Hello all. A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. Hopefully I have worded this coherently. Thanks!! Nicole
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. Go to So. San Francisco (200 Paul; who runs that?) and choose an alternate, significant (ATT/Sprint/MCI), provider. If something happens that is big enough to knock out that site *and* your San Jose site then probably most people in the company are dead, together with millions of people in the SF Bay area. So the unavailability of servers, belonging to a company not willing to put something in New Jersey because it is too far away, becomes pretty insignificant at that point. -mark
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. www.ragingwire.com Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with. -Jonathan
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember Northridge? If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you are. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-39.htm http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm Tony On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Nichols wrote: Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. www.ragingwire.com Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with. -Jonathan
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Sacramento -joe On 7/16/04 4:34 PM, Tony Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean that they're not near any *known* fault lines. Remember Northridge? If you're in CA or NV, you *are* near a fault line, no matter where you are. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-39.htm http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm Tony On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Nichols wrote: Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. www.ragingwire.com Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Nice place. Fairly new, and they're pleasant folks to deal with. -Jonathan -- Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications 994 San Antonio Road Palo Alto, CA 94303 Phone: 650-213-1302 Cell: 650-207-0372 Fax: 650-969-2124
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Nicole wrote: A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. We just had an earthquake here in Nebraska. Maybe you want to look around New Madrid, MO. Might anyone have any recommendations for datacenters and or ways I can best determine this? Are tornadoes and lightening an issue? It does me no good to go to a datacenter whose connectivity also comes from the same peeing points or fiber that would be effected or take down a data center in South Bay. Despite being off faultline. The CoE is pretty strict about what we dump in the river, so I don't think there are any peeing points that would be useful for you. Hopefully I have worded this coherently. Um.. -- Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Hello all. A company I work with (who's servers are located in the San Jose, CA) is looking to setup some backup servers at a datacenter whose connectivity and location is off any faultline, or away from other malady, that might effect its main servers datacenter or connectivity. Problem is, they also want them as physically close as possible. http://www.havenco.com/ -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
RE: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Jonathan Nichols www.ragingwire.com Their data center is not near any fault lines. In fact, it's not near much of anything... except Sacramento. :) Yep. Keep in mind that W.Tasman to Sacramento is a 2 hour drive at any given time and 3 1/2 hours on a Friday afternoon. Also, if you enjoy night life, Sacramento is not the best location on earth. However, the seismic data is good and there's plenty of fiber, lots of companies have moved their data here because they don't want to be caught by the big one when it comes to the bay. Ragingwire has good reputation, but here are some other alternatives: http://www.level3.com/558.html http://www.heraklesdata.com/ http://www.icgcomm.com/products/corporate/colo.asp (heard some bad) http://www.datanoc.net/default.htm (heard some bad) http://www.o1.com/ (avoid at any cost) Michel.
Re: Looking for recommendations for Datacenter off CA Faultline
Yep. Keep in mind that W.Tasman to Sacramento is a 2 hour drive at any given time and 3 1/2 hours on a Friday afternoon. Also, if you enjoy night life, Sacramento is not the best location on earth. Yeah, that's something else to consider. Sometimes it's faster to take Amtrak than it is to drive. Scary if you have to get to the data center in any sort of a hurry... Not much for nightlife, but if you're downtown and want to start a pub crawl - couldn't be easier. However, the seismic data is good and there's plenty of fiber, lots of companies have moved their data here because they don't want to be caught by the big one when it comes to the bay. There's also the nice big Government installations in the area. Lots of fiber. RagingWire also seems to be pretty stable.. unlike Relera and Inflow, which packed up and left the area. Anywhere you go in California, you're going to run into a fault line. The Sacramento area is fairly stable one as far as that's concerned. RagingWire is also *not* located in a flood plain - it's not too far outside of the downtown area. There's even a Fry's Electronics not too far if you *really* need some spare parts! (I may be preaching to the choir, here.. forgive me if I am.) http://www.datanoc.net/default.htm (heard some bad) Subset of lanset.net, if I recall correctly. Interesting folks. http://www.o1.com/ (avoid at any cost) Heh. No comment.
