Re: Martin Hannigan. In my pants!
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Chris Owen wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Matt Ghali wrote: Whoa. What ever happened to Karl Denninger anyway? http://genesis3.blogspot.com/ Now I really wish I hadn't asked. matto [EMAIL PROTECTED]< The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
Re: Martin Hannigan. In my pants!
Matt Ghali wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: And in all my years running news, I never came cross fleming or williams so I wouldn't know. Someone called me and made a Denniger and an Auerbach reference. Whoa. What ever happened to Karl Denninger anyway? Oh wow... MCSNet. I used to work at a local competing ISP and have "fond" memories of those days. Google shows http://www.denninger.net/ .
Re: Martin Hannigan. In my pants!
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Matt Ghali wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > > And in all my years running news, I never came cross fleming or > > williams so I wouldn't know. Someone called me and made a Denniger > > and an Auerbach reference. > > Whoa. What ever happened to Karl Denninger anyway? http://genesis3.blogspot.com/ Chris -- ~~~ Chris Owen~ Garden City (620) 275-1900 ~ Lottery (noun): President ~ Wichita (316) 858-3000 ~A stupidity tax Hubris Communications Inc ~ www.hubris.net ~ ~~~
Re: Martin Hannigan. In my pants!
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: And in all my years running news, I never came cross fleming or williams so I wouldn't know. Someone called me and made a Denniger and an Auerbach reference. Whoa. What ever happened to Karl Denninger anyway? [EMAIL PROTECTED]< The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
Re: Martin Hannigan. He rocks!
> > > > Martin is the 21st century version of Jim Fleming and > > Jeff Williams. He entertains us with his hyperbole. > > i don't know if i'd go THAT far. none of those (fleming, williams, hannigan) > entertains me with their nanog posts. (and neither does gadi.) with usenet > gone, we just don't teach our kids entertainment-level hyperbole any more. I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or an insult, but I noticed you did forget to say "My employer said" so at least it's probably not actionable by any latigous, animal crackers. And in all my years running news, I never came cross fleming or williams so I wouldn't know. Someone called me and made a Denniger and an Auerbach reference. I like both Karls so I'll take that as a compliment. Regardless, it's good to be alive for another day on the Internet becayse that's all it is - another day on the Internet. Best, -M<
Re: Martin Hannigan
> Martin is the 21st century version of Jim Fleming and > Jeff Williams. He entertains us with his hyperbole. i don't know if i'd go THAT far. none of those (fleming, williams, hannigan) entertains me with their nanog posts. (and neither does gadi.) with usenet gone, we just don't teach our kids entertainment-level hyperbole any more. -- Paul Vixie
Re: Martin Hannigan
> What is it you do again? Anything what-so-ever? Martin is the 21st century version of Jim Fleming and Jeff Williams. He entertains us with his hyperbole. Does anyone take him seriously anymore?
Blackworm hunbers [Was: Re: Martin Hannigan]
Well, let's hope we can watch the Super Bowl in peace -- I'm turning my pager & cell phone off anyways. :-) In any event, as Alex Eckelberry writes over on the Sunbelt Software blog, "...were now seeing infestations for the Blackworm worm (aka KamaSutra) getting close to 2 million. "Yesterday it was at close to 700k. "Of course, its possible that this URL has gotten out to the public, which would increase the count (simply hitting the website increments the count by one). However, to my knowledge, this URL is only known in the security community. "Remember that this worm has a very destructive payload. Even if you discount the number here, youre still looking at a significant number of people who will suffer potentially devastating data loss." I couldn't agree more. Cheers, - ferg ps. http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/blackworm-worm-over-18-million.html -- Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://isc.sans.org/blackworm > Further, our reports lead to a SANS ISC temporary URL's for each AS. The last time SANS felt something was so serious they needed all of NANOG to dance, they came out and said so. That's their handlers diary. I read it. A lot of people read it. It's well balanced and usually on target. Just like that. It's not alarmist. It seems fairly certain that as long as Symantec et. al. do their thing, we will be able to watch the superbowl in peace. [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Re: Martin Hannigan
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Joe Abley wrote: The NANOG list administrators can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is almost certainly a better place to send comments related to the AUP than the this list. (I would have kept this comment to private mail except that it seems possible that a public discussion about the merits of particular subscribers is about to unfold here, which would be a shame.) Agreed. All: *PLEASE* let this thread die. Allowing it to continue serves no constructive purpose whatsoever. jms
Re: Martin Hannigan
On 25-Jan-2006, at 16:12, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Gadi Evron wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: Admins: Clearly, a personal attack and I'd like the AUP enforced please. Clearly, exactly what you've been trying to get me to do for a long time, to get me off NANOG, well... I finally decided to comply. Admins: I will answer any call to leave.. Also, I'd like for Martin to see this AUP enforced on his continual attacks on me and many others on-list, regardless of my reply to him. I personally do not want to see either Gadi or Martin leave - both have been good contributors on this list and this grudge they got against each other should be settled offline with both of them self- enforcing and not replying to the other one again on the list (so as to not provoke again). The NANOG list administrators can be reached at nanog- [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is almost certainly a better place to send comments related to the AUP than the this list. (I would have kept this comment to private mail except that it seems possible that a public discussion about the merits of particular subscribers is about to unfold here, which would be a shame.) Joe
Re: Martin Hannigan
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Gadi Evron wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: Admins: Clearly, a personal attack and I'd like the AUP enforced please. Clearly, exactly what you've been trying to get me to do for a long time, to get me off NANOG, well... I finally decided to comply. Admins: I will answer any call to leave.. Also, I'd like for Martin to see this AUP enforced on his continual attacks on me and many others on-list, regardless of my reply to him. I personally do not want to see either Gadi or Martin leave - both have been good contributors on this list and this grudge they got against each other should be settled offline with both of them self-enforcing and not replying to the other one again on the list (so as to not provoke again). -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Martin Hannigan
Martin Hannigan wrote: Admins: Clearly, a personal attack and I'd like the AUP enforced please. Clearly, exactly what you've been trying to get me to do for a long time, to get me off NANOG, well... I finally decided to comply. Admins: I will answer any call to leave.. Also, I'd like for Martin to see this AUP enforced on his continual attacks on me and many others on-list, regardless of my reply to him. Thanks.
Re: Martin Hannigan
> > Serious answers: (much like your 'serious questions'): > > > If I don't see SANS running around with their capes off, I don't > > http://isc.sans.org/blackworm > Further, our reports lead to a SANS ISC temporary URL's for each AS. The last time SANS felt something was so serious they needed all of NANOG to dance, they came out and said so. That's their handlers diary. I read it. A lot of people read it. It's well balanced and usually on target. Just like that. It's not alarmist. It seems fairly certain that as long as Symantec et. al. do their thing, we will be able to watch the superbowl in peace. > I don't work for IL-CERT (which is actually the GOV cert, not IL-CERT), > except in an advisory capacity volunteer-base now. I.e., I am a civilian > now. Congratulations. > > > off our football, and get ready for "worms". I'd hope to see US-CERT > > continue making progress and telling North Americans when to worry. > > US-CERT is kept in the loop every step of the way, as is the FBI, Secret > Service and a lot of others who contribute from their time and effort. > We can all criticize others, it's easy. How about you start pulling your > own weight instead of causing havoc non-stop? I'm glad to hear that, as many times as you state it. Thank you. Trust isn't havoc. Your loose cannon response is an excellent reason why we should be skeptical. My point was around trust and who we should and shouldn't. There are a lot of characters out there doing things that are helpful, but that doesn't mean we should trust them. I don't think that North American Network operators should trust you and my reason why is that I had at one point asked you to disclose how you were collecting information you wanted me to rely on and you refused. My dis-trust is not personal. There are now other reasons that I'd prefer to not have to disclose here as it does nothing to further the conversation. As far as my contribution goes, I'm making it. I read, observe, discuss, and comment. I'm sorry if you feel particularly targeted or flamed. It is not intentional. What would you like me to do to make it better for you? A good example of the interaction I describe is when you were first posting the bot reports and there was discussion. They changed and they were quite ok and I believe I commented to the same. Perhaps my typing style is irritating? I apologize. As far as general security goes, I do not trust DA, NSP-SEC, or many others as the final authoritative source on anything. There are some people I trust more than others, Thomas, Bellovin, Bush, etc., and then there are the people I can't trust i.e. the IRC'ers, etc. > Is this some sort of VeriSign plot or did you come up with it all on > your own? I think I'll watch "White Noise" on the DVD now. Admins: Clearly, a personal attack and I'd like the AUP enforced please. -M<
Martin Hannigan
Serious answers: (much like your 'serious questions'): If I don't see SANS running around with their capes off, I don't http://isc.sans.org/blackworm Further, our reports lead to a SANS ISC temporary URL's for each AS. really pay too much attention. The last one wasn't a big hit like they thought, but they do good work. I "trust" them more than I trust IL-CERT telling North Americans to drop our hotdogs, turn I don't work for IL-CERT (which is actually the GOV cert, not IL-CERT), except in an advisory capacity volunteer-base now. I.e., I am a civilian now. off our football, and get ready for "worms". I'd hope to see US-CERT continue making progress and telling North Americans when to worry. US-CERT is kept in the loop every step of the way, as is the FBI, Secret Service and a lot of others who contribute from their time and effort. We can all criticize others, it's easy. How about you start pulling your own weight instead of causing havoc non-stop? Is this some sort of VeriSign plot or did you come up with it all on your own? The work everyone is doing is fantastic, but it's pretty clear trust is being ignored I am not one to keep my mouth shut. I am also not one to answer idi.. err, donkies. Still, I kept quiet about you for a long time, as ignoring trolls is usually the best way of handling them. I am often "emotional", straight-forward and tactless, i.e. == rude for some people, which is why I try and speak differently to non-Israelies. Unlike you, I don't impede progress or pick personal fights as a regular day-to-day sport. As the mods say nothing to you for a long time now, I suppose your kind of behavior is fair game. So... Are you going to stop being a troll about everything "IL-CERT" does, I do or anyone else except for you does? What is it you do again? Anything what-so-ever? Or is it just: pick up on someone and act the a**-h*le so that you can gain respect in the quick and dirty route, because some tech is in there and you act like someone who is authoritative in writing? Use flame techniques such as quote only portions of the text, reply to something a tad bit different than what was written or ignore some of what the other guy said? Anything else? Last time that resulted in harming a big operational forum with one of the mods quitting (who also just HAPPENED to be an Israeli). You should be ashamed. Luckily it usually ends with only flame wars. You use your own name rather than VeriSign's in everything yet are not afraid to speak openly for VeriSign when it suits you. What is it you do on nanog? I've had enough. I knew it was a mistake to quit ignoring you and it probably is a mistake to reply to you, but your personal attacks can't go on, even under the mask of "concern". Have the GUTS to come out and say what you want, or is it just flaming? Some of us work day and night on local operational issues, others work day and night on the survivability of the Internet itself. And you? Google the wikipedia entry for "STFU". Gadi.
