Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
William Allen Simpson wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. I used to attend with various Powerbook flavors over the years. I'm sure that I wasn't the only person with a Mac at IETF in 1999. I snuck my SO into the terminal room with her Mac, too So there was two of us at least :) I probably still had my Blackbird. Mark.
NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
Hi, On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:40 PM, William Norton wrote: I was quite surprised to see the large number of Mac laptops at NANOG 42. I didn't do a formal count but it seemed like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the laptops in use were Macs. ...You know, now that you mention it, I was also quite impressed with how many macbook pros there were in room as well. That would be good to informally track I think : what tools(laptops) do NANOG folk tend to use? Macbook Pro (all of IANA (with one recent exception) use Macs of one form or another). as this data might help SW dev types to target their netTools distributions to mac platforms more quickly. That would be nice. In the good ole days it seemed like 99% were PCs maybe a couple were reinstalled with some form of unix, I remember the 'good old days' a bit differently -- folks were indeed using PCs (Digital HiNote Ultras and hten Sony Vaio 505TXs) but reinstallation was the norm. Maybe it was just to crowd I hung out with... Regards, -drc
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
i am moving to a macbook pro, or trying to, from a freebsd/winxp. but why did they have to 'add value' by mucking with freebsd and breaking my fingers? and whoever thought the mac screen was good never used my alienware 1920x1024. at the ipv4 econ meet on tasman last week, macs were in extreme majority. randy
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
On Mar 9, 2008, at 3:21 PM, David Conrad wrote: Hi, On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:40 PM, William Norton wrote: I was quite surprised to see the large number of Mac laptops at NANOG 42. I didn't do a formal count but it seemed like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the laptops in use were Macs. ...You know, now that you mention it, I was also quite impressed with how many macbook pros there were in room as well. That would be good to informally track I think : what tools(laptops) do NANOG folk tend to use? Macbook Pro (all of IANA (with one recent exception) use Macs of one form or another). as this data might help SW dev types to target their netTools distributions to mac platforms more quickly. That would be nice. In the good ole days it seemed like 99% were PCs maybe a couple were reinstalled with some form of unix, I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. Nanog-29 was the first where I saw a substantial proportion. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. Now, there are too many to make it interesting. Regards Marshall I remember the 'good old days' a bit differently -- folks were indeed using PCs (Digital HiNote Ultras and hten Sony Vaio 505TXs) but reinstallation was the norm. Maybe it was just to crowd I hung out with... Regards, -drc
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
So the overwhelming question for me is why? Is it simply the fact that the native *nix underpinnings are where most users (within the aforementioned demographic) spend most of their time anyway? That's what did it for me - repeated attempts to get FreeBSD to run stable on the Inspiron I had at the time. Note: The question isn't what's better, the question is what got all us router and systems jockeys so interested in the first place. If this is too OT (or has the potential to become so), feel free to kill it. On 9-Mar-08, at 3:29 PM, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am moving to a macbook pro, or trying to, from a freebsd/winxp. but why did they have to 'add value' by mucking with freebsd and breaking my fingers? and whoever thought the mac screen was good never used my alienware 1920x1024. at the ipv4 econ meet on tasman last week, macs were in extreme majority. randy
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
my laptop, and both my desktops, run KDE. the underlying operating system is usually something like opensuse (a linux distro) or pcbsd or desktopbsd (which are freebsd distros). all i need from the OS is to support KDE well, patch itself from a vendor mothership often, do suspend/resume and wireless. the laptop hardware itself is thinkpad, to get a 3-button mouse, full sized keys, and relative indestructibility. desktops are homebrew intel core-2, with 15-year-old ibm high-clicky keyboards and 10-year old logitech mice. the servers are all freebsd, to get /usr/ports (and recently, to get ZFS.) server hardware tends to be supermicro. starting to abandon 3ware/areca RAID in favour of either JBOD or multiport SATA-II, with ZFS. -- Paul Vixie
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
On 3/9/08, Jason Lixfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the overwhelming question for me is why? Is it simply the fact that the native *nix underpinnings are where most users (within the aforementioned demographic) spend most of their time anyway? That's what did it for me - repeated attempts to get FreeBSD to run stable on the Inspiron I had at the time. The slight differences in the OS X gui vs 'Doze or KDE drive me nuts, though. Full time Mac use doesn't interest me. Anybody that knows me from any of the other 90 lists I'm on has probably heard me talking up my Asus Eee PC, a $399 tiny Linux laptop, which I'm very happy with and works great. When I'm traveling, I'm all about small form factor and light -- and the Eee is far better (and far cheaper) than my previous travel computer, an OQO Model 02 UMPC. If you want a laptop with Linux out of the box, no weird driver issues (works great with my Sprint EVDO card), etc., etc., I'd highly recommend the Eee. Takes about 2 seconds to enable full KDE, comes with a bunch of stuff preloaded, and it only weighs a couple pounds. The downsides are few; the small disk space (4GB SSD) is probably the biggest. Since it has an SDHC card slot, I added a 16GB SDHC card to mine. I've also had a hell of a time getting the Cisco AnyConnect VPN client working (but normal pptp vpn support has been a breeze). Regards, Al Iverson -- Al Iverson on Spam and Deliverability, see http://www.spamresource.com News, stats, info, and commentary on blacklists: http://www.dnsbl.com My personal website: http://www.aliverson.com -- Chicago, IL, USA Remove lists from my email address to reach me faster and directly.
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
Macbook Pro (all of IANA (with one recent exception) use Macs of one form or another). All of PCH uses MacBook Pros. Except Gaurab, who uses a MacBook Air. :-) In the good ole days it seemed like 99% were PCs maybe a couple were reinstalled with some form of unix, I remember the 'good old days' a bit differently -- folks were indeed using PCs (Digital HiNote Ultras and hten Sony Vaio 505TXs) but reinstallation was the norm. Maybe it was just to crowd I hung out with... In the good _old_ days, before the HiNotes, everybody used Duos, then the HiNotes with FreeBSD, then the Vaios started creeping in, then the Titanium PowerBooks came out. -Bill
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
definitely agree with supermicro, freebsd, zfs for servers. it rocks! and i lived through duo, hinote, viao, thinkpad, alienware, and now mac. i keep the alienware because it has real graphics, 1920x1024, as opposed to the mac. on the alienware, i run winxp with cygwin as host, vmware, and then the freebsd as guest. if the winxp gets sick, i can suspend the freebsd, reboot the xp, and resume the suspended freebsd. so the bsd has a much longer uptime than the host winxp opsys. how's that for a sick twist? randy
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Randy Bush wrote: and i lived through duo, hinote, viao, thinkpad, alienware, and now mac. i keep the alienware because it has real graphics, 1920x1024, as opposed to the mac. There was a guy from Amazon at the San Jose meeting who'd transplanted an ultra-high-resolution 15 LCD into his MacBook Pro, after the original one had cracked. I _think_ it was 1280x2048, but I'm not sure I'm remembering accurately. The pixels were too fine for me to see, no matter how close I looked. He said the connector and bolt-positions were identical, but it had required that he compile a new driver before it worked. -Bill
Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)
Marshall Eubanks wrote: I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. I used to attend with various Powerbook flavors over the years. I'm sure that I wasn't the only person with a Mac at IETF in 1999. I snuck my SO into the terminal room with her Mac, too In the *really* old days, MacTCP (and MacPPP, of course) were pretty common among my compatriots, talking to Sun farms. But in those days, I used PC desktops and laptops with KA9Q NOS. We ran an ISP entirely on MacOS machines (with NetBlazers and PortMasters) from 1994 to circa 1999, when Yellow Dog Linux became available.
